Hello, so if you have found veganism kind of disconnected with logic toward the edges, and a bit like a religious dietary practice, that's because it is based on vaguely understood jainist or Hindu practice and made up by a British couple in the 1940s. They were not experts on how food happens.
My recommendation for those who feel animal exploitation is wrong is thus: please keep in mind that humans are animals. An ethical practice demands fluidity and choice and comprehension.
For instance, honey and almonds. Vegans can have almonds but not honey, almond milk is among the more popular substitues for milk. Remember when this thread was about honey? Most beekeepers within two states of California in order to stay in business need to ship beehives to California almond farms on trucks to pollinate the almonds. This kills lots of them. Almond farms also use a ton of water such that owners of vast almond farms do the things you will hear about if you look up water use in California. The evil things, not the solar panel things. Also... migrant workers.
For any vegan in the US, particularly the west half, if you stopped buying almond products, and just GUZZLED locally produced honey, you legitimately might be reducing exploitation of at least a hive or two of bees. (And less tangiblely contributing to human exploitation in a more vague diffuse way)
Also maybe try amaranth instead of quinoa. Same family, grows native, hasn't been Agribusinessed as hard.
I forget why I started talking about this, so uh eat bees, they are crunchy
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