And why would conservatives hate their useful idiots?
Liberals who hate leftists do so cuz they recognize that the left is ratfucking us and doing nothing to target conservatives.
To modern day conservatives, liberals and anyone else to their left is lumped into the same far left group anyway.
Someday, the Democratic Party will either figure out the whole "stop hating and start listening" thing or it will divide in two and lose every election.
Only one side of the tent has historically been causing the division, and it wasn't the center-left side.
Surely THIS time we can fix it the right way, by fingerpointing at the REAL enemy.
To be clear, I am not trying to "fix" the division between me and the people who supported Graham Platner, or Uncommitted, etc. I intentionally do not want them in the tent. So saying "but ur hate won't help!!1!" misunderstands what's happening in favor of having the argument you'd rather be having
It isnāt something to brag about. You can pick out the āworstā and focus on them all you want; playing exclude-the-meanies and refusing to accept that actions take place in the real world is not a virtue.
Iām not a leftist or a liberal. Iām someone who is actually getting shit done. Inevitably, the people making decisions have no idea what is happening and cause people like me unending problems.
But you know who causes the most problems?
Fucking Republicans.
When Republicans win, poor people start dying. They lose their Medicaid and their food stamps and their kids starve. They get turned out of institutions, go off their meds, and incur hideously violent consequences.
You are partly responsible for the government of a state and the government of a country. Act like fucking adults. āBut he started itāā I donāt care. Grow up and end it. Iām sick of my clients dying and Iām sick of you arguing about whose fault it is.
You're not listening to us: leftists have spent the past 10 years helping Republicans, intentionally getting them elected because they saw that as a path to power.
We CANNOT work with them. That's the entire point. They're not Democrats. They're a racist, antisemitic, sexist white grievance movement that has openly admitted they want to be the next Tea Party.
You can't kumbaya with that shit.
"Act like fucking adults"? We were the ones who've been telling everyone how dangerous Trump was since fucking 2015. We told everyone what the fucking stakes were, and the left decided they wanted fascism because they wanted to LARP as revolutionaries. What were you doing during Bernie or Bust?
@thelawfulchaotic Don't be mad at the lifelong liberals and progressives are calling balls and strikes and offering the smallest amount of pushback to a fandom of authoritarian contrarians who hate Mommy Lib more than Daddy GOP. Be mad at the rich bigots like Fergie Chambers who are grooming and radicalizing youth and twisting a bunch of losers into enabling the Republican Party in general elections. Their entire vibe is "After Hitler, our turn" and we all know how the fuck that worked out. The DSA-Hamas-Bernie left are functional 'centrists' who actually support the MAGA GOP. That's all they do, that's all they know how to do. They always fuck over Democrats, hate Black, Jewish and the 'wrong kind' of LGBT Dems who are the party base, and now they're attempting entryism into the party proper because they have the time and money to do so.
They are doing this because their leadership are bigots who are benefitting personally and financially from a GOP presidency and majority and they realized they can offload hatred onto acceptable minorities just like MAGA does.
I've belonged to only two nationally organized left-wing groups in my life: the first, Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) for just over a year; the second, Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for 41 years. My membership in SDS ended in 1969, when I was 18 years old, without any input or agency on my part, when the organization collapsed around me in a chaotic maelstrom of rival manifestos, mass walkouts, fervid chanting, and a few fistfights, all of which scattered the groupās thousands of members to the winds. My membership in DSA ended with considerably less drama last week, when at a somewhat more advanced age I resigned from the organization via an e-mail. I left to protest the DSA leadershipās politically and morally bankrupt response to the horrific Hamas October 7 anti-Jewish pogrom that took the lives of 1,400 people, mostly civilians, and saw over 200 hostages carried off to Gaza, both groups of victims including children and infants. Whether DSA will now follow SDS into political oblivion is for the future to tell, but one thing a lifetime of studying the history of American radicalism suggests to me is that, as a rule, there are rarely second acts in the lives of organizations captured by left sectarian āentryists.ā What do I mean by āentryistsā? In left-wing parlance, the term refers to tightly organized groups who, without sharing the beliefs of larger and more loosely organized bodies, join and proceed to either wreck or, where possible, capture them for ends at odds with the spirit and purpose of the original members. Without descending too deeply into the weeds of sectarian history, entryism has been a recurring phenomenon on the American left since the 1930s.
After over four decades as a member of the Democratic Socialists of America, one of the groupās founding members is leaving in sorrow and an
Fergie Chambers is Heir to One of Americaās Richest Families ā and a 'Professional Revolutionary' Determined to Overthrow the United States
What was I doing during Bernie or Bust? I was voting for Hillary, actually, as a realist, not that it fucking matters.
Can you guys not understand how every single Democrat centrist feels like Republican-lite to a huge segment of the population? Itās not a conspiracy that they appealed to a large segment of voters and those voters are not evil for feeling that appeal.
If you want those voters to choose not the things they have been choosing, they have to feel welcome making different choices. You are not doing that. The fuck do I care about the rich people who are the purported leadership? Politicians donāt know what theyāre talking about. Itās a feature of the job.
And I am just as mad at the exclusionary policies from the centrists too. This party loves to divide itself into āpureā and āworse than the enemyā and Iām not here for it.
Yāall really dying on the hill of āno, I deserve to be able to be an asshole.ā Fucking donāt! Maybe!
Look guys, while we can't trust anyone who voted for Platner to so much as piss on us if we were on fire, and while the DSA is a terrifying and horrifying indication on the future in this country, the Republicans are still worse in general.
We're doomed either which way. But if the Democrats have the house and the senate, a lot less people go down with us then if the Republicans keep the house and the senate. And hey, only getting fucked over 4 ways is still better than getting fucked over 7. No?
I know it sucks and I know that many people involved are not people you want to share a tent with and don't trust to share the tent with you, but sadly, this is the only tent we have. Splitting the tent only rips it so that it doesn't shelter anyone at all.
@thelawfulchaotic
The vast majority of Americans think the Democrats are already too Left.
every single Democrat centrist feels like Republican-lite to a huge segment of the population
Like...this isn't actually a huge segment of the population, it's a segment of hyper-engaged Stalinists.
I think the most recent poll showing this was last February? So about six months ago. Like...I'm far to the left of the center of weight of the party, though, as with most Jews, I've been driven out of The Left (tm). I would LOVE the American people to think centrist dems were Republican-lite, but they don't. They think centrist Dems are filthy commies.















