The double standard is glaring, but let's not pretend that the new Israeli law is in any way a good one.
Yeah, one of the things that I find most frustrating about talking about anything to do with Israel is that it’s a democracy index 7.80 country that is consistently brought up in the same breath as a group of countries which pretty much all fall in 1-3.5 range (leaving aside Afghanistan as an outlier, because last I checked it had fallen all the way to 0.25 and it’s almost as unfair to compare that to Jordan as it is to compare Jordan to Israel).
Like. Israel is a concerningly flawed democracy at real risk of serious backsliding! It’s very bad! This law is very bad, the rhetoric coming out of the current majority coalition is very bad, the enduring popularity of people who built their political careers cheering on the Israeli equivalent of the JFK assassination is very bad.
But every time you try and talk about any of that, you have to contend with an avalanche of propaganda that posits that this means that Israel is somehow a more repressive regime than its neighbors, and like… I’m sorry, but that’s just completely detached from reality?
Like just as a point of comparison, Ukraine is only a 4.90 on the democracy index, and that’s not great. But only the most diehard self-parody tankies ever bring Ukrainian domestic policy and law up in the context of whether the war in Ukraine is justified, because given that Russia is a whooping 2.03 on the democracy index and has earned every bit of that rating, “some of the political purges in Ukraine are a bit concerning for long-term domestic governance” a fucking absurd thing to go after Ukraine for in the context of Russian hostility.
Anyway holy shit is this Israeli death penalty law awful, and it should be condemned, and I fucking wish I didn’t always have to disclaimer saying that with “but to be clear, this doesn’t mean that Egypt and Lebanon and the PA have any moral high ground, obviously, I mean come the fuck on”
Israel is a democratic state to one type of citizen only, and that is Jewish Israeli citizens. The rest of the population cannot vote and do not have political representation. It's like saying that South Africa in the 80s was a good democracy. It was... technically a democracy, but there was a system that divided up the country's population in a way that made it not actually politically representative. This is not to say that something like Hamas is good, to be clear. The states around Israel are not great either, some of them are full on dictatorships. But Ukraine does not have an aparthied system going on. Israel does.
I also think the amount of torture against political prisoners in Israel can easily be compared to some very sadistic regimes. There are a LOT of political prisoners and they are apparently routinely tortured. Including children. This is the kind of thing that does deserve to be held up against other repressive regimes.
you think the Arab citizens of Israel can't vote? Arabs have full representation, voting rights, political parties, and are elected to the Knesset. along with holding political office, Arabs are also doctors and lawyers and educators and whatever other profession you can think of, comparing the reality in Israel to any kind of apartheid is woefully uninformed at best and intentionally malicious at worst.
In East Jerusalem, upon annexing the area, Israel gave Palestinians living there at the time permanent residency status. This status, which does not confer a right to run or vote for Knesset, is usually given to immigrants entering the country. In the case of East Jerusalem, the opposite is true: it was Israel that entered the area. Residents of East Jerusalem can, theoretically, become citizens and participate in general elections, but the process is lengthy and complex, and Israel deliberately puts bureaucratic obstacles in their way. The political participation of Palestinian citizens is also limited by Basic Law: The Knesset. Section 7a, legislated in 2002, stipulates that a candidate or a list of candidates can be barred from running for Knesset if their actions or goals explicitly or implicitly include “negation of the existence of the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state.” The Central Elections Committee – a body comprised of representatives of various political parties – has repeatedly relied on this clause to disqualify Palestinian candidates and lists, arguing that their civil struggle for full equality violates the clause as it denies Israel’s existence as a Jewish state. ...the justices repeatedly stressed the limits of Palestinian political participation. President Barak, for instance, explained that demanding equality does not threaten the existence of Israel as a Jewish state only so long as the aim is to “secure equality between citizens internally, while acknowledging the rights of the minority living among us.” If, on the other hand, the demand for equality “seeks to undermine the rationale for the country’s establishment, thereby denying Israel’s character as the state of the Jewish people, then it is injurious to the core, minimal features that make Israel a Jewish state.” In this case, there is room, he held, to consider disqualifying a list or candidate supporting this position.
https://www.btselem.org/publications/202210_not_a_vibrant_democracy_this_is_apartheid
not even going to attempt to dignify this with clarity of response because it's a waste of time, but this is so funny because B'tselem is sort of the epitome of proof that free speech and democracy exists in Israel, not because they are good or reliable (they are not), but because they can operate like this to provide misleading information to people desperate for hateful propaganda like you without the government stopping them.
Following Hagai El-Ads appointment to head the NGO, BTselems unsupported factual and legal claims and blatant political agenda have multipli
Also, I think it’s telling that this person just completely side-stepped my actual point, which was not that Israel was a stable democracy, but was rather that most of the countries that are being brought up in the same breath as Israel are significantly less democratic.
I really want to hammer this home, but don’t want to risk belaboring the point, so let’s just look at one example, very briefly:
Egypt is a dictatorship, and this is fairly unambiguous. After the Arab Spring, there was a brief moment of hope for Egyptian democracy... but less than a year after its first fair election, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi led a military coup that ousted the democratically elected leader, suspended the constitution, and launched a campaign against the Muslim Brotherhood and other opposition groups. Since then, Egypt has had “elections” which human rights groups generally describe as farcical, and Sisi has “won” those elections with 97% of the vote. https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/02/13/egypt-planned-presidential-vote-neither-free-nor-fair
The mere fact that there is a question as to whether or not Netanyahu will stay in power is enough to put Israeli in a markedly different category!
Really take a moment and absorb what I’m saying here. I’m saying that the bar for being “the most democratic country in the Middle East” is subterranean. I’m saying that democratic backsliding is a nonsensical thing to use when you are making a negative comparison to countries that don’t have a democracy to backslide. I’m saying that, look, there are a lot of concerning things about the political landscapes of democracy index 7 countries, but at some point you have to take a step back and say “am I making those reasonable critiques in isolation, or am I actually seriously claiming that those critiques create an equivalence that an outright dictatorship might come out ahead in?” And if you’re doing the later, boy howdy, step outside, take a breath of fresh air, and come back when you have a fresh set of eyeballs, because “which of these regimes is ~really~ the least democratic, tho” is an easily answerable question even if you think that Israel is rapidly trending in a horrifically authoritarian direction.


















