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in honor of america's 250th birthday approaching, here's your friendly reminder that this poem by emma lazarus (a jewish-american woman) is on a plaque attached to the statue of liberty:
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. âKeep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!â cries she With silent lips. âGive me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
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I don't really understand why Batman has the whole non killing rule.. is it trauma or does he really really value human life? I mean there's way worse things than dying happening in dc
It's kinda both the trauma and valuing human life, but it's also Bruce recognizing his own limits.
He knows that if he crosses that line once, he will cross it again and again, and the range of justifications for murder will only widen.
It's also strategic! Maintaining the standard and reputation that he's not a killer allows his allies, like Jim Gordon, to better justify that support. 'Yes, he's an illegal vigilante, but he's not a rabid attack dog, we can tell because of his code and sense of control. He doesn't kill and he brings us killers to take off the streets. That's a net positive.'
It's also about maintaining a good reputation with the innocent citizens of Gotham. He wants criminals to fear him, not normal people. If they know he only hurts bad guys and doesn't kill, that's more reassuring and, again, easier to support than an active and unrepentant murderer.
Batman relies on his reputation, the balance between good and scary, and that balance becomes a lot harder to maintain if he -- or any of his associates, Jason -- are active killers. So the code is personal morals, trauma, and a practical bit of personal branding that helps him do what he needs to.
I almost never see anyone point out that most of Bruceâs rogues gallery is severely mentally ill in conversations about his no kill rule. The fact that those characters get sentenced to Arkham rather than Blackgate means that someone, somewhere has repeatedly determined that they canât be held criminally responsible for their actions and implies that we the audience are meant to understand them as being blameless for the harm they cause. Arkham is a bad solution in its own right, yadda yadda, but I donât think that personally liquidating the inconveniently insane and dangerous is a better one.

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The fundamental problem I have with any version of "Tim Drake forms 'his own' hero identity outside of Robin", is that Tim has never had any internal motivation to feel like that's something that he should do.
His internal push-and-pull has always been about whether or not he would stay in the life at all, and any force that encouraged him away from Robin as a mantle was always external. (Although, I do want to also note that any time he quits or considers quitting, it always reinforces his decision to be a hero in the end via having that arc and continuing to make the decisions that he does, just quick sidenote.)
We also have a ton of proof, including his introduction itself, that he sees no contradiction or problem with having an adult Robin.
And thus, rather than "growing up", moving away from Robin specifically toward something else feels like "doing what other people tell you to".
It's not treating Tim as an adult with autonomy (in-universe, obviously he has no autonomy no matter what, he's a character). It's treating him like people treat children, and in a significantly worse way than even he was treated as a child on the hero side of things, since he actually had an unprecedented level of autonomy as Robin (Robin is, in fact, representative of an autonomy power fantasy in a lot of ways).
It's bending to other characters going "you don't know what's best for yourself, I do".
And while you can always write a character changing their mind (that was arguably what was done with Dick in the first place, and the idea of a universe where he just never stopped being Robin and there was only ever one is more than reasonable from the perspective of before they wrote him say the things he did later), but because of the history we do have Dick, and the specific ways Tim has been contrasted with Dick on this subject, and it being way more clear how Tim did already feel about it, doing that with Tim now would read like support of the general "you'll grow out of it" mentality that a lot of people have toward young people with strong opinions about things.
And I just loathe that as a message.
#i truly believe the only reason dick ever stopped being robin is cause of societal pressure on comics#like theres a whole thesis in my mind about it#WE'VE SEEN DICK AS ROBIN AS AN ADULT#THERE IS PRECEDENCE FOR THIS!!! tags @agentnavi
Yeah, yeah, I actually have a lot of thoughts on this.
There are two things
One is the New Teen Titans vs Batman dilemma with Robin where they were pulling him to live outside of Gotham and fitting with the themes of the team. Essentially pulling Dick away from Batman. This was still Robin and could have remained Robin, just leaving Batman alone, which of course, certain people would later push for to Jason's detriment, but I believe? that at the time it effected Batman's sales figures. And NTT was really popular.
And the other part was the public perception that Batman & Robin were gay, particularly now that Dick was older, and DC was really really not liking that people thought that and really wanted to more clearly define the relationship between Batman and Robin as Not That.
So from all of that we get pre-crisis Jason Todd: Dick 2: This Time With Clearer Father-Son Implications.
And then from there we get post-crisis wanting to make Jason more his own character, and a writer that hated Robin using his divisiveness from not being Dick to make things worse in his writing and get an excuse to off him somehow. And then we get the plea for Robin's existence and Tim.
It is super super reasonable that, given a different version of reality, that Dick Grayson should just continue being Robin forever, and for that to not ever have become a legacy mantle.
Because there really wasn't a real in-universe reason for him to change names until they created one specifically to justify what they wanted from an outside perspective at the time. And like, he was operating as Robin away from Batman just fine for a while, the firing was an additional post-crisis invention, too.
I've also seen some people compare Tim to old Earth-2 Dick Grayson in regard to wanting to remain Robin and not be Batman, and like, okay? People will act like that's a bad thing. They decided Dick isn't like that, so Tim is the one like that. We should be allowed to have a character with that trait.
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Greatest hits of FIFA cultural exchanges thus far:
Learning about flyovers and pyrotechnics at American games being a thing
Non-americans discovering the size of American football stadiums....for high schools in texas. Also the size of our stadiums in general.
Going to baseball games as a side treat! Lmao.
Non-americans losing their minds over "like, 100 petrol pumps," at buc-ees.
Related: Americans often forget how huge target and Walmart is.
People discovering American BBQ
Non-americans being obsessed with mid American restaurant chains like Golden Corral and Taco Bell
A lot of them really did feel god in this chile's apparently
The rightful obsession with waffle house
New understanding of American Big Drink With Ice supremacy as summer creeps in
Begrudging acceptance of mandatory water breaks during games
Americans realizing we have a Team USA and we are not, in fact, just "hosting our friends" from around the world â mostly because we won our first match and our team is decent??? Not amazing but not the worst.
Side rant: us women's football team is legendary good and we should care about that more like. Hello???
Admitting Americans are right about air conditioning
Related: the english team did warm ups in Florida RIP, and also the there's a video of the French team just being like fuck the heat, fuck the sun, this is so hot...
Americans who do not normally care about international football but fucking love a sport and cheering so we're just hyping whatever team is nearby, like we see a party and just show up and learn the chant. Like sorry many of us don't know shit about soccer but if we see a bunch of people in viking helmets or kilts or holding a bunch of flags and cheering we're game.
TAILGATING!!!!
I already said this but American yellow school bus is an international celebrity
The Scottish drank Boston dry of beer apparently, like they quadrupled what Boston normally sells for fourth of July weekend. SAM ADAMS HAD TO GET AN EMERGENCY BEER DELIVERY.
Also the English team fans got kicked out of The Londoner pub in Dallas after drinking 5,000 beers and going over max capacity lmao
Free refill drinks, tortilla chips & salsa.
So many non-americans are going to be here for the 4th of July for our 250th anniversary which is going to be great and hilarious
Non-americans discovering ranch as a beloved condiment
Non-americans understanding American obsession with hamburger now
Japan's homebase is in Texas and the cultural differences are frankly great and also the Japanese fans are SO NICE and helped clean up the stadium after a match???
All the short videos with the eagle screech (which I think is actually a hawk but whatever)
On the note of Americans embracing whatever team is nearby, please enjoy this clip of Kansans going all in for Algeria:
Americans: always down to party
When you don't know the sport or but a horde from across the world has shown up for it:
God, can you imagine someone from Finland (or wherever) heading to a Midwestern state fair and eating every variety of fried thing imaginable?
So we've all heard of the "I Want Song" genre in musicals.
But what about the "Let's talk about the bitch behind their back like they're not in the room" song, or "singing s*** behing a bitche's back". There's a surprising amount of them.
"Belle" from Beauty and the Beast
"Scrooge" from Muppet Christmas Carol
"Maria" from The Sound of Music
"Look at Me I'm Sandra Dee" from Grease
"You're a Mean One, Mr. Grinch" from How The Grinch Stole Christmas
"Jackass In a Can" from Galavant
"Phony King of England" from Robin Hood
"Stepsister's Lament" from Rodgers and Hammerstein's Cinderella
"Non-Stop" from Hamilton
And, of course, the man, the myth, the legend...
"We Don't Talk About Bruno" from Encanto
You can learn a lot about a character and story from what they sing versus what other people sing about them.
Let's not forget
"Jack's Obsession" from The Nightmare Before Christmas
Basically it's Hollywood's rendition of the Chorus in Ancient Greek plays: a bunch of *relevant* people (like townspeople or elders or even the Gods) all sing about the plot or the main character together. Neat

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it's time we stop pushing cassie aside when we speak of important people in tims life. the slow burn of their friendship that was solely based on trust and admiration they had for one another. she was tims actual best friend and the person he was the closest with
I'm far from a relationship expert, but the rational people use to call Tim a "bad boyfriend" is completely alien to me.
"He misses dates all the time and even when he shows up he leaves early or falls asleep!"
Yeah, and if you date a firefighter, EMT, ER surgeon or any other form of emergency services worker, they're gonna do the same thing. They will miss dates and need to leave early because they're on-call, and they'll fall asleep because they just got off an 18-hour shift but still wanted to see you.
If that unreliability is a deal-breaker for you, fine, you don't have to put up with it. But that means you shouldn't date firefighters. Or superheroes.
Also, by the nature of the medium, we're only shown plot-relevant dates, and dates are only plot-relevant when they're interrupted. We don't get to see the successful, peaceful dates they're presumably having off-panel for the same reason we don't get to see Tim sitting through his normal, uneventful alegbra lessons.
"But he doesn't tell his civilian girlfriends that so they don't know what's going on!"
And that's bad, yeah. But it's also a staple of the genre, so unless you're blanket criticizing every hero who's ever had a civilian love interest going back to 1905 and the Scarlet fucking Pimpernel, it's not fair to lay the accusation personally on Tim.
Also, that's a big-ass secret to expect a guy to drop for a high school relationship that almost certainly isn't going to last. Because they're in high school.
"But that means he's keeping secrets!"
So?? Everybody keeps secrets. If you think your partner isn't allowed to have secrets in your relationship, you are the problem. That's a weird and invasive belief to have! If the secret isn't about your joint finances, dependants, property, health and/or relationship status (ie, affairs or previous marriages), it's really none of your business.
I've never understood this in fiction, where people act like the very act of keeping secrets is equivalent to lying to your face. Everyone has secrets. Everyone has a right to privacy, even in a relationship. If someone shares their secrets with you, it's a sign of trust and you should value that. But you're not entitled to them, you never will be, and when you get upset with the person for keeping those personal secrets, you're just proving why you weren't safe to tell in the first place.
And that all feels like it goes double when learning his secret would technically make you an accessory to his illegal vigilante activities.
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"But he cheated!!'
Having friends who are also girls isn't cheating. Getting flirted with isn't cheating. Being kissed by other girls against his will isn't cheating. Realizing that he wants to date someone else and breaking up with his current partner to do so isn't cheating, and it's weird that people act like it is.
You know what is cheating, though? Actively pursuing one boy -- as in, insisting that your random meet-ups are actually dates and either forcing kisses on him or tricking him into kissing you and then mocking him when he tells you to stop -- while you are also, actively, dating and sleeping with another boy.
And yet, the same people who call Tim a cheater and a bad boyfriend freak out at the very suggestion that Steph is a cheater and a bad girlfriend. Double standard much? It would legitimately bother me less if people could admit they both fucked up in typical teenager ways instead of laying the blame entirely on Tim.
"But he's sexist!"
More than every other 90s comic in existence? No? So why are you slapping that label on one character? Because then you'd have to admit that [fill in favorite character here] was also sexist at the time, if not still sexist now?
Funny that.
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"You have to be able to accept the flaws of your favs..."
Cool, so you're also willing to accept that Steph is a bad girlfriend? That she cheated on her first boyfriend to pursue a sexy superhero, refused to take no for an answer, sexistly insulted and demeaned other women, jealousy jumped to false cheating accusations, violated the one boundary her boyfriend set in their relationship, and beat her ex for no reason?
No??? That all "doesn't count" because "they deserved it"??
Funny that.
My attachment to the nebulous "helper hero" (aka the "boring, normal one")
Okay... So...
Hmm...
I think my love of a lot of fictional characters (or rather, a trait that many of them share in their storyline) is that they didn't have to... But they did.
âAriel sold her voice for legs just because of a guyâ
Meanwhile Ariel with legs;
Ariel already loved the human world long before meeting Eric (you donât get a collection like hers overnight)Â and when she finally got a chance to explore it, she took it.
Ursula made it more about Eric than Ariel ever did.
and i mean hell this has been talked about before in more depth than i can, but when people complain about how the ending was changed (the original fairytale does not give ariel a happy ending, she dies trying to protect the prince), i think about the fact that this was written by a gay man in the 1980s
and i think itâs entirely valid (and gives her an extremely strong connection to the queer community) to change the story so she doesnât die because of who she loves
Triton made escape a necessity. Once someone goes to the point of destroying your possessions in a violent rampage, there is no staying and sticking it out, thereâs no safety. (And Ariel, even in Ursulaâs lair, gave Triton more thought than he deserved at the time.) Nowhere in the ocean she could go and be safe. Everyoneâs always âwhy donât they just leave :|â in abusive situations until the leaving is not something they find 100% worthy of approval.
Ursula made it about Eric. She didnât have to. Ariel had to get out from under Tritonâs thumb, it could have been literally anything. Ursula took advantage of a desperate victim for her own agenda. Realistic predatory behavior toward a vulnerable person.
And also
Thereâs always the âEric didnât want her until she was silent and meekâ criticism - FIRST OF ALL he started out looking for a woman who wasnât silent, and second of all what part of the carriage driving bit (or any of her other actions on land) is meek, exactly?
People above have noted the queer subtext. Now, on the subject of Ariel being willing to leave her family, aside from the baseline âthis is an abusive environment and she was not safe thereâ angle I already mentioned, consider: Arielâs father made it clear he would stop at nothing to crush and tear down who she was and replace it with what he wanted her to be. Now - what demographic might that resonate with? And given Ashmanâs involvement, do you think that was a coincidence?
there has been scholarly discussion about the idea that the og little mermaid story, where she dies at the end, was written as a queer allegory.
so taking that into account⌠there is something very touching about taking this story from hans christian andersen from beyond the grave and being like âthings are different now. they get to be happy. she gets to live.â
also in re: âEric didnât want her until she was silent and meekâ the meek partâs been discussed but can we please talk about how when he first met her he thought she wasnât the girl with the voice that he was trying to find and was disappointed, but that he slowly fell for her anyway? Heâd explicitly wanted Ariel WITH her voice, but came to love her without it.
The bit about Howard Ashman being queer is finally giving me some glimmer of understanding of why the teenaged girl mermaid is named âAriel.â Because, although the Disney movie single-handedly changed popular perception thereafter, Ariel is a boyâs name. Howard Ashman absolutely knew that.
(Ariel in Shakespeareâs The Tempest also has male pronouns, in case anyone was struggling to remember.)
today I found out my mother doesnât know what dandelions are and now Iâm wondering what other strange secrets sheâs been quietly harboring
Where do you live that you donât have dandelions?
we have dandelions EVERYWHERE, they are basically our State Weed, it is absolutely impossible that my mom has never interacted with a dandelion before, this requires further investigation
So after extensive interrogation I have an update:
my mom is in fact aware that dandelions exist. she temporarily forgot the name and there was some miscommunication.
the truth is actually weirder
sheâs aware dandelions look like this
she is familiar with this flower. she knows the name of this flower. she declines to believe, however, that these are also dandelions
she does not believe these are the same plant. I tried to explain, and she thought I was either misinformed or lying. so I asked her what exactly did she think the yellow ones were called?
she answered, with complete confidence: Daffodils.
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For comparison, this is a daffodil
See, folks in the southern US will tell you up and down those are buttercups, actually.
i donât think so? iâm southern and buttercups are what we call these things (much tinier)
Wait I thought those bigger cup ones were Easter Lillies???
This is an Easter Lily. It is an actual lily and therefore deadly to cats.
Theyâre marigolds and I know a bitch when I see one!
This is a marigold:
âŚ.we need to start taking the phrase âgo touch grassâ more literally. go outside and examine a flower i beg u
Folks, please go look at a flower today.
In fact, I give you permission to pick one and tear it apart. Preferably one someone else did not carefully grow, so a dandelion would be a perfect candidate for this, but I genuinely think you can learn so much by tearing a flower apart. Do it gently, but do it thoroughly. Take every single piece of that flower apart, and examine it. Look at how that petal you removed was attached. See if you can find the pollen, the nectar. Try to figure out where the seeds form; every flower produces seeds, thatâs their function. Split the stem down the middle and look at its shape. Watch the sap ooze out. Marvel at the form and texture of the thing. Familiarize yourself with the details and the intricacies of it, and feel a little awe.
See, I used to tear flowers apart all the time as a kid. I really do believe that activity contributed so much to my current knowledge of and love for plants. It seems many of you did not have that experience, so go have it now. Go tear apart a flower.

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Concerning Julietâs age
I find a big stumbling block that comes with teaching Romeo and Juliet is explaining Julietâs age. Juliet is 13 - more precisely, sheâs just on the cusp of turning 14. Though itâs not stated explicitly, Romeo is implied to be a teenager just a few years older than her - perhaps 15 or 16. Most people dismiss Julietâs age by saying âthat was normal back thenâ or âthatâs just how it was.â This is fundamentally untrue, and I will explain why.
In Elizabethan England, girls could legally marry at 12 (boys at 14) but only with their fatherâs permission. However, it was normal for girls to marry after 18 (more commonly in early to mid twenties) and for boys to marry after 21 (more commonly in mid to late twenties). But at 14, a girl could legally marry without papaâs consent. Of course, in doing so she ran the risk of being disowned and left destitute, which is why it was so critical for a young man to obtain the fatherâs goodwill and permission first. Therein lies the reason why we are repeatedly told that Juliet is about to turn 14 in under 2 weeks. This was a critical turning point in her life.
In modern terms, this would be the equivalent of the law in many countries which states children can marry at 16 with their parentsâ permission, or at 18 to whomever they choose - but we see it as pretty weird if someone marries at 16. Theyâre still a kid, we think to ourselves - why would their parents agree to this?
This is exactly the attitude we should take when we look at Romeo and Julietâs clandestine marriage. Today it would be like two 16 year olds marrying in secret. This is NOT normal and would NOT have been received without a raised eyebrow from the audience. Modern audiences AND Elizabethan audiences both look at this and think THEY. ARE. KIDS.
Critically, it is also not normal for fathers to force daughters into marriage at this time. Lord Capulet initially makes a point of telling Julietâs suitor Paris that âmy will to her consent is but a part.â He tells Paris he wants to wait a few years before he lets Juliet marry, and informs him to woo her in the meantime. Obtaining the ladyâs consent was of CRITICAL importance. Itâs why so many of Shakespeareâs plays have such dazzling, well-matched lovers in them, and why men who try to force daughters to marry against their will seldom prosper. You had to let the lady make her own choice. Why?
Put simply, for her health. It was considered a scientific fact that a womanâs health was largely, if not solely, dependant on her womb. Once she reached menarche in her teenage years, it was important to see her fitted with a compatible sexual partner. (For aristocratic girls, who were healthier and enjoyed better diets, menarche generally occurred in the early teens rather than the later teens, as was more normal at the time). The womb was thought to need heat, pleasure, and conception if the woman was to flourish. Catholics might consider virginity a fit state for women, but the reformed English church thought it was borderline unhealthy - sex and marriage was sometimes even prescribed as a medical treatment. A neglected wife or widow could become sick from lack of (pleasurable) sex. Marrying an unfit sexual partner or an older man threatened to put a girlâs health at risk. An unsatisfied woman, made ill by her womb as a result - was a threat to the family unit and the stability of society as a whole. A satisfying sex life with a good husband meant a womb that had the heat it needed to thrive, and by extension a happy and healthy woman.
In Shakespeareâs plays, sexual compatibility between lovers manifests on the stage in wordplay. In Much Ado About Nothing, sparks fly as Benedick and Beatrice quarrel and banter, in comparison to the silence that pervades the relationship between Hero and Claudio, which sours very quickly. Compare to R+J - Lord Capulet tells Paris to woo Juliet, but the two do not communicate. But when Romeo and Juliet meet, their first speech takes the form of a sonnet. They might be young and foolish, but they are in love. Their speech betrays it.
Juliet, on the cusp of 14, would have been recognised as a girl who had reached a legal and biological turning point. Her sexual awakening was upon her, though she cares very little about marriage until she meets the man she loves. They talk, and he wins her wholehearted, unambiguous and enthusiastic consent - all excellent grounds for a relationship, if only she werenât so young.
When Tybalt dies and Romeo is banished, Lord Capulet undergoes a monstrous change from doting father to tyrannical patriarch. Juiletâs consent has to take a back seat to the issue of securing the Capulet house. He needs to win back the princeâs favour and stabilise his family after the murder of his nephew. Julietâs marriage to Paris is the best way to make that happen. Fathers didnât ordinarily throw their daughters around the room to make them marry. Among the nobility, it was sometimes a sad fact that girls were simply expected to agree with their fathersâ choices. They might be coerced with threats of being disowned. But for the VAST majority of people in England - basically everyone non-aristocratic - the idea of forcing a daughter that young to marry would have been received with disgust. And even among the nobility it was only used as a last resort, when the welfare of the family was at stake. Note that aristocratic boys were often in the same position, and would also be coerced into advantageous marriages for the good of the family.
tl;dr:
Q. Was it normal for girls to marry at 13?
A. Hell no!
Q. Was it legal for girls to marry at 13?
A. Not without dadâs consent - Friar Lawrence performs this dodgy ceremony only because he believes it might bring peace between the houses.
Q. Was it normal for fathers to force girls into marriage?
A. Not at this time in England. In noble families, daughters were expected to conform to their parents wishes, but a girlâs consent was encouraged, and the importance of compatibility was recognised.
Q. How should we explain Julietâs age in modern terms?
A. A modern Juliet would be a 17 year old girl whoâs close to turning 18. We all agree that girls should marry whomever they love, but not at 17, right? Weâd say sheâs still a kid and needs to wait a bit before rushing into this marriage. We acknowledge that sheâd be experiencing her sexual awakening, but marrying at this age is odd - sheâs still a child and legally neither her nor Romeo should be marrying without parental permission.
Q. Would Elizabethans have seen Juliet as a child?
A. YES. The force of this tragedy comes from the youth of the lovers. The Montagues and Capulets have created such a hateful, violent and dangerous world for their kids to grow up in that the pangs of teenage passion are enough to destroy the future of their houses. Something as simple as two kids falling in love is enough to lead to tragedy. That is the crux of the story and it should not be glossed over - Shakespeare made Juliet 13 going on 14 for a reason.Â
Romeo and Juliet is the Elizabethan equivalent of  âwonât someone please think of the childrenâ  itâs a romantic tragedy  not a romance  romantic in that itâs a love story  but not a romance in the sense that it is supposed to be emulated  and is likely a social commentary of something happening at the time  whether it was ongoing religious feuds  which did tear families apart  uprisings across the country  or just general malaise with how the world was going in the 1590s  itâs also worth noting that R+J was based heavily on a poem writen  some 30ish years prior  by Arthur Brooke  known as The Tragical History of Romeus and Juliet  which in turn was based on the work of Matteo Bandello  who supposedly based most of his work on real life events  making his association to Lucrezia Gonzaga  an Italian noblewoman  who was married off at the age of 14  likely to solidify some sort of alliance during turbulent times all the more poignant  Shakespeare was and never has been the reserve of the intellectual and elite  that we are taught his work without historical context  robs us of the true value of his work social commentary  and this social commentary would like to have a few words with your false ideas of âhistorical accuracyâ (via @thebibliosphere)
I saw this in my emails and couldnât see why Iâd been tagged in it (all the while nodding vehemently along) and then I saw my tags and ah. Yep. Still forever mad at how badly Shakespeare is taught in most schools.
Wait but then why does Julietâs mother talk about being already married younger than Juliet currently is?
Likely because her match to Julietâs father was an arranged match to solidify family names and houses in order to avoid conflicts or to establish wealth. (It also serves to denote the tragic undercurrent of the play ie love is secondary to wealth and power.)
It wasnât so uncommon for children of royalty or nobility to be betrothed from birth, or even symbolically married, in order to make alliances. But that doesnât mean they were engaging in the kind of adult relationship we envision when we think of marriage today.
Which isnât to say some people didnât buck the norm and do horrible things Margaret Beaufort is a prime example of this, which the Tudors would likely be aware of. Her first marriage contract actually happened when she was one year old. It was later dissolved and she was remarried at the age of 12, and her second husband, Edmund Tudor, did in fact get her pregnant before dying himself. She was 13 years old when she gave birth, and it caused major health issues for her and nearly killed her. When she survived it was considered miraculous. Which should tell you just how not normal this kind of thing was thought of even back then.
I agree with absolutely everything in this thread of discussion. Even so, my long-standing fascination with both Shakespeare and late medieval / early renaissance history makes it impossible for me to to reblog without throwing in my extra few cents:
I. Margaret Beaufort
In my mind, there are few cases that better demonstrate the tensions between medieval norms and medieval realities than that of Margaret Beaufort. Like many other women of her time, she had only one child surviving to adulthood: Henry Tudor (later Henry VII and the founder of the Tudor dynasty). In that, Margaret wasnât so remarkable: infant mortality made this a common enough outcome, though undoubtedly a tragic one.
Where Margaretâs case was exceptional is that Henry was also her only known pregnancy, without so much as a stillbirth, infant death, or even another pregnancy ever being mentioned in connection to her. In her own time, it was commonly assumed that her experience of childbirth at a very young age was what accounted for her barrenness, and even to us today, it doesnât seem implausible to assume some kind of physical trauma that prevented later pregnancies from taking place, given all the medical knowledge weâve accumulated about the risks of childbirth at either extreme of age.
But there was more to this. The vast Beaufort estate that came with Margaretâs young hand were so valuable that, to 15th/16th century English minds, it perfectly explained Edmund Tudorâs motives for having been so reckless with the health of his wife: having an heir of his own would ensure that her lands would stay with him, in the name of any children they might have together, whereas the lands would pass to someone else if she should die before having a child. Of course, most men in that situation would have waited anyway, as a child whose mother died in childbirth was much less likely to survive anyway, so contemporaries portrayed Edmund Tudorâs actions as short-sighted and foolhardy at best, amoral and cruel and worst. But Fate must have a sense of irony, because Edmund died before his son was even born, while Margaret lived, and as aristocratic women tended to do in those circumstances, she was remarried to Henry Stafford, 1st Duke of Buckingham.
Since Margaret was Staffordâs first (and only) wife, he would have depended on her to give him any heirs at all, to whom he could pass on the lands he already had, let alone any of Margaretâs own (and it would be logical to assume that the Beaufort inheritance would have been no less tempting to Stafford than it was to Tudor). He must have at least hoped for children from her, and at the time, there wasnât any reason to expect she was totally barren either: there was the traumatic birth to consider, but she was more physically mature when she remarried, and there was room to hope that widowhood had given her time to recover. And yet, despite all this, it seems few people (if any) were surprised that Margaret did not bear any more children. It didnât seem to doom her relationship with her second husband either: on the contrary, Margaret enjoyed a happy relationship with Stafford for well over a decade until his death, so if there was any bitterness on his part over his lack of heirs, he must have managed it well. Even in the contemporary sources (who donât tend to be charitable towards female figures), any blame for her barrenness is laid squarely at the feet of the various men who were her guardians in her early life, who clearly abused their authority over her for their own benefit, rather than to safeguard Margaretâs well-being as guardians are supposed to do (one of them being Edmund Tudor himself⌠he wasnât supposed to even be in the running for her wardship, but Henry VI actually outright broke a promise he had made to Margaretâs father to let Margaretâs mother be her guardian in the event of his death).
This indicates to me even more strongly that late-medieval / Tudor people would have not only been sympathetic towards what Margaret and women like her had suffered, but also understood that neglectful attitudes towards the health and happiness of dependents have consequences. Shakespeareâs own words make this clear, at the beginning of the play:
Paris: Younger than she are happy mothers made. Capulet: And too soon marrâd are those so early made.
Tudor audiences would have understood these lines as the words of a benevolent father protecting his daughter from the advances of an overeager young suitor, invoking what seems to have been a Tudor-era trope that early marriages do not make for happy endings⌠not for the woman, not for her family or husband, and certainly not for the children she might otherwise have borne. Because Capulet came off as the âgood fatherâ in the beginning of the play, it makes it all the more shocking when his attitude changes and he becomes the all-too-familiar figure of the cold, uncaring patriarch who regards his children only as pawns*. I imagine the juxtaposition would have invited Tudor audiences to feel Julietâs sense of betrayal as if it were happening to them.
* Jane Grey, the famed ânine daysâ queenâ was also rumored to be such a victim of her parentsâ ambition: they also saw fit to force her into a marriage that she seriously objected to, and historical records point a fairly consistent picture of their callous disregard towards her wishes and genuine happiness.
II. Consent in Medieval Marriages
Twelve and fourteen are actually also important numbers in their own right, and Shakespeareâs choice to place Juliet between those two ages has an important symbolic meaning. Late medieval Catholic doctrine defined marriage as a sacrament, like the Eucharist (Communion), or Holy Orders. Many of the sacraments require those who receive them to understand what theyâre getting into for the sacrament to have the desired effect. To guarantee understanding (at least from a theological perspective), you would have to be above âthe age of reasonâ, the age at which you were considered to be able to think for yourself. Conservative definitions of the âage of reasonâ sometimes defined it as the age of fifteen or fourteen (or older), but was later fixed at twelve. Since marriage was one of these sacraments, a marriage where both spouses had not fully and knowingly given their consent was no marriage at all.* Therefore, twelve was considered the absolute lower age limit at which a person could marry without compromising the very spiritual foundation of the marriage itself, while fourteen was considered a safer age at which to assume the person had full control of their reasoning capacities.
The other side of the âconsentâ coin when it came to marriage was that consent wasnât just a necessary condition to finalize a marriage, it was also sufficient condition. If a man and a woman had given their knowing consent to marry one another, and if they had intentionally verbalized this promise to one another and consummated their marriage, then no earthly power could invalidate this pact for any reason (outside of a few very specific ones, like incest) without risking damnation. Witnesses were convenient as a way to prove that the marriage had taken place, if a family member or some segment of society disapproved of the match, but they werenât needed in order to make the marriage spiritually valid. Basically, the Catholic Church at this stage somehow ended up putting the idea of consent at the very heart of the idea of what made a marriage valid or not, and this had consequences not only because of the threat of hellfire, but also because Church law was secular law when it came to domestic matters like marriage and divorce. And then it came to pass that the English Reformation left this specific area of the doctrine mostly untouched, so the Tudors would have had similar ideas surrounding the question of consent and marriage as did their late medieval forbears.
This theological point is not only the whole raison dâetre for the most central plot device in the play, but also adds an extra note of pathos to Julietâs situation and an extra layer of moral judgment towards Lord Capuletâs behavior. If she did not insist on keeping her marriage vow, or if she married Paris knowing full well that she had already been married, both of those would be mortal sins for which she would risk damnation. And by extension, because he used duress against Juliet to try to make her comply with his sinful wish, Lord Capulet has also damned himself (albeit unknowingly, but even so, the narrative clearly presents forcing his daughterâs marriage as something he should know better than to do, anyway).
Until this point, Julietâs marriage is characterized as an impulsive decision such as only foolish youth could make, but ironically, in that confrontation with Lord Capulet, this slip of a young girl is now portrayed as conducting herself with far more spiritual maturity and grace than any of the adults around her. Her parents are failing in their duty towards her by putting their dynastic concerns ahead of her health and happiness (when itâs been made clear they already know this is a Bad Idea), and her Nurse, who actually knows about the secret marriage and all the reasons why it cannot be taken back, is actively pleading with her to just forget it and pretend Romeo never was. Julietâs choice here is monumental, because it involves not only disregarding her parents, but also an active decision to completely break with the woman who has been with her for literally everything in her life up to that point, a break so thorough that even Nurse herself doesnât know that itâs happened. This dramatic turning point is a bittersweet portrait of the girl losing her innocence and growing up into an adult, from one angle, and from another angle itâs a paean to the pure-hearted idealism (different from the limpid innocence of childhood in that itâs willful and risk-taking, and fiery in quality) that can only be found in the young. Either way, it does Julietâs character AND Shakespeareâs dramatic talents a massive disservice to portray her situation as something so simplistic or reactionary as lovelorn pining after an absent boyfriend, or rebelling against her parents, or âstaying true to her own heartâ.
This wasnât just a plot device for the stage: many real-life lovers leaned on this feature of the Churchâs teachings, when faced with the opposition of their families and communities, and in many cases, the Church was indeed forced to side with the couple, however reluctantly. Margery Paston, the daughter of a genteel landowning family in the 15th century, and Richard Calle, the Paston familyâs longtime housekeeper, were one such case of a real-life Romeo and Juliet: they mutually fell in love, and married in secret when they came up against heavy opposition from Margeryâs family. The Pastons responded by separating them, firing Calle from his job and having him sent to London, while Margery remained in Norfolk under house arrest. There, she seems to have been subjected to ongoing and intense pressure to walk back her marriage⌠if the couple had been married formally in church, this would not have been possible, but secret marriages were vulnerable to challenges like this because they were secret. A witness would have helped her and Calleâs case and made it more airtight, but even if the couple had had any, apparently the Pastons had succeeded in intimidating them into silence.
But even though the Pastons seemed to be winning, itâs hard to believe that bystanders wouldnât have objected to at least some of what the Pastons were doing to try and get their way. Otherwise, Calle could not have written Margery in 1469, during their separation, saying âI suppose if you tell them sadly the truth, they will not damn their souls for usâ. Their situation was objectively quite bleak. For the months they were apart, it was made very clear to both Margery and Calle that, if the couple continued to insist on their marriage, the Pastons would disown Margery and throw her out of the house, therefore leaving her with few options for survival, let alone to find her way to Calle over a distance of a hundred miles. He mournfully acknowledges that their gamble might fail, and their worst fears might come true, but there is also defiance in his resignation, as he concludes, âif they will in no wise agree [to respect our marriage], between God, the Devil and them be it.â
Margery, for her part, was no less determined. When Margery was finally brought before the local bishop, he turned out to be sympathetic towards the Paston family, and gave Margery a long speech about the importance of pleasing her family and community (so much for the theological importance of consent, but then, clerical hypocrisy was nothing new to medieval people). But Margery remained steadfast (in fact, I am inclined to think from her next words that the bishopâs words only goaded her to greater resolve) and when she spoke, she not only continued to insist that she had said what she had said, but according to her mother she âboldlyâ added, âif those words made it not sure [âŚ] she would make it surer before she went thence, for she said she thought in her conscience she was bound [in marriage to Calle], whatsoever the words were.â Her wording left absolutely no room for doubt in the mind of even the most flexible theologian. And when Calle was cross-examined and his testimony found to match that of Margeryâs, the bishop of Norfolk had no choice but to rule in the coupleâs favor.
Margeryâs mother did indeed make good on her word: she did both disown Margery and throw her out of the house. She seemed to have done it more to save face, however, than to actually punish her daughter, since she does seem to have made arrangements behind the scenes for Margery to stay with sympathetic neighbors. In the end, Calle was right, the Pastons were not willing to risk their own souls. Margery and Richard Calle got their happy ending, and had at least three children (and we know about them because we know Margeryâs mother left them money in her own will).
* This also meant that Edmund Tudor actually would have been Margaret Beaufortâs first husband, not her second. It was true that she had already been âin a marriageâ before being married later to Tudor, but strictly speaking, it was only a precontract (what we today would think of as an engagement) with signficance limited to the secular realm; there are a lot of reasons this would not have really been considered a marriage at the time, but the most theologically pertinent one is that the brideâs consent could not have been involved, because she was too young to be able to give it. Consequently, this paper marriage was easily dissolved as soon as her guardians thought it more politically expedient to marry her to Edmund Tudor. And for all intents and purposes, Margaret Beaufort herself considered Tudor to be her first husband, not John de la Pole.
tl;dr: the study of Shakespeare cannot be separated from historical and societal understanding of the times he lived in, and frankly, itâs a terrible shame that English classes donât emphasize this more, because then youâre throwing out about 80% of the meaning his works actually hold.
Sorry to keep reblogging this long post but holy shit this is an excellent addition. Thank you for taking the time to write all that up.
functionally suicidal character saying âI would die for youâ to their significant other and its like. I get the sentiment, honey, but if a hot dog vendor told me heâd sell hot dogs for me, I wouldnât feel very moved now would I
Now a functionally suicidal character saying âI will live for youâ. Now thatâs a dynamic I can sink my teeth into.
now how about a functionally suicidal character saying "I will sell hot dogs for you"
Hotdog vender lays down their life to protect their suicidal partner, who then takes over the hotdog stand to carry on their memory...
Halo 3: ODST has a memory of a kabab seller who - in the middle of an alien invasion - REFUSES to evacuate and offers his remaining stock free of charge to those running for their lives.
this is in part because he is fat AF and knows that he would take up the place of three or more people who might otherwise not make it - direct from his own lips, I'm not shaming the dude. also he refuses to be scared, having accepted that he's going to die, so tries to lift the spirits of those sprinting for the evac zones with free food. and you know - protein might allow them to run just *that* much further.
not exactly a "hot dog" vendor, and less "suicidal" and more "accepted his fate"... but, yeah.