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Kate O'Flynn as Patricia

Apologies if this is off topic, but I'm finding it really frustrating how posts like this only go around in response to discussions around racism in regards to these creators. Like I don't know much at all about gooseworx, but I know Toby Fox was very lightly criticized for not having an official spanish translation after 10 years of undertale being out and relying on fans to translate it for him (in the form of fan translations) and the utter disregard that shows for fans that speak spanish

How are we even supposed to have discussions around racism in fandom if it just gets dismissed out of hand to preserve the comfort people have with the material they're fans of.

I'm not sure how to even approach things like this. I don't support dogpiling obviously but people criticize indie creators because they like them and want them to improve and to have conversations about race in fandom. How is that lolcow behavior???

We have had this conversation numerous times by now. You can't force people who want willfully overlook (and contribute to) racism to be reasonable. Just remind yourself that there is no Not Talking About It. That's just tolerating bigotry for the sake of comfort, like you said. It's the Book or the Brick, my friend!

The situation: confront said person and tell them that their behavior is racist, and they-

Book: -make the choice to acknowledge the situation and learn to do better. It's hard, they're upset, but they recognize they have to learn to do better. This person has accepted the book (knowledge and antiracism!)

Brick: -decide to blow up and make excuses and 'theyre not racist' and everyone in the world is blaming them and deflect and blah blah blah... And get hurt when people treat them like the bigot they have chosen to be. This person has chosen the brick (public derision + more!)

These people have chosen the brick, to me. 🤷🏾‍♀️ If they want to defend themselves with "it's lolcow behavior you're chasing people away", let them say that... While you treat them like the bigot they are. Maybe if you think racism is funny, you SHOULDN'T be a creator. 🤷🏾‍♀️ I thought we kicked Nazis out of bars.