We’re a fictive-heavy quoigenic DID system of 500+ members, which basically means we’re a lot of people in a body, most of which identify as fictional characters. The body is an adult and we collectively use it/its or they/them pronouns, though each member has individual pronoun sets. We go by Corvid, Interstellar, or kintype names collectively. We're also terrorpunk, pluralpunk, ontopunk and madpunk. We've been around the alterhuman community since at least 2018.
Our system, while we do have DID, includes mostly walk-ins and soulbonds, and we consider ourselves a gateway system. We also have a few tulpas and some other things like somntives and daemons. We’re collectively alterhuman and some of us have extra alterhuman identities on top of our collective ones--99% of us are basically nonhuman or fictionfolk in one way or another even aside from our collective identities.
Beyond Humanity - Alterhuman info, FAQs, and a glossary.
More Than One - Good primer to plurality.
Otherkin Wiki - Wiki for otherkinity, covers other forms of alterhumanity.
Tags:
#(name+pronouns) - Personal tags for system members--this is how you tell who posted/reblogged what.
#op - Original posts.
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#everything althu is our tag for alterhuman related posts. More on the tagging system can be found in the link here.
DNI/Stances:
We don't have a DNI, and might not notice yours. You're free to block us, we won't get offended, it's what the button is for. We can't dig through visually inaccessible carrds or text walls to figure out your every stance before reblogging or liking a post.
For the information of people who would like to block us based on some of our stances though:
We're pro-nontraumagenic system. Including tulpas. Including nontraumagenics who have a CDD.
We don't care what's written or drawn in fiction, just tag your triggers. We don't participate in fandom often, the discourse is especially tiring because we're barely even involved in fandom altogether yet it ends up seeping into everything.
No disorder makes you abusive. NPD, ASPD, pscyhotic disorders, DID--none of them.
Physical nonhumanity is fine, and we support delusional alterhumans. There however is a line that gets crossed sometimes, we won't hesitate to block people for cultlike behaviours.
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i will always be a fan of people describing themselves however they want, do not take this as me shitting on any label in any way.
i do think that it is very telling how i see a lot of folks saying that they have "outgrown" the therian label and taken up holothere instead, saying that it feels more real and legitimate.
something about it wigs me out. and i think that it has to do with perceived seriousness and a bid for legitimacy. linguistic shift is normal and expected, it's not like this is really avoidable. but the difference between holothere and therian is not the same as therianthropy vs. therianism.
therianthropy vs. therianism is really just people using the wrong term. it's not intentional. it's what happens when "therianthrope" has been shortened so much that the original tenses and forms of the word are just forgotten. it's an arguably pretty normal linguistical shift. im a little annoyed by it, mind you. "therianthrope" and "therianthropy" are some kickass words that I think should be used more. but i can't really be shocked or even upset that it's happened.
holothere is different. while the coining of the word + the way many use it can be very genuine, there is undoubtedly a growing population that uses it because of its perceived to be more serious than therian. it's adopted as a way to been seen as a more legitimate identity. and i can't really be mad at that, either. to say that therian has lost some of its.... idk.... power? due to it being picked up by certain demographics is not wrong. like there is nothing in the reasoning or the desire that is bad or wrong with any of this.
but it does make me a bit squemish, I think? Because it introduces therianthropy as something lesser within the community. You have an internal conflict with legitimacy, here. And it's based off the label you use. In the past, the community has negotiated legitimacy through grilling. And I am not calling for a return to grilling, I don't think it was a great thing, but... it is something I'm noticing.
How we are changing the way we assert our identity's seriousness is now based off of the initial words we use, as opposed to the understanding of that word.
I could talk more about this. as I said before, this is not an attempt to convince anyone to stop using holothere. I know it has a lot of differences to it and it's deeper to most people. I'm not going to sit here and try to combat this very natural shift in behavior. This is just something I've noticed in the way people talk about the term. It's 7:51 am, I have a final exam at 8:00. So I will be going now. But I would love to hear if anyone has more thoughts on this. I will probably come back around and amend some of what I've said here, I've only been thinking about this topic specifically for like. 15 mins. Give me a day and I'll figure out how to say this a better way.
Personally my biggest issue with the holothere thing is that it's based largely on misinformation– people appear to be using it because they think that experiences like intense phantom and mental shifts mean they're a physical therian, which is emphatically not the case. I think the very vague definition of holothere ("nonhuman in every way") is partially to blame for this, because newcomers to the community with intense experiences read that and go "of course that's me, I'm not human at all", but the "every way" explicitly incudes the belief that one's physical body is literally nonhuman. Physical identity isn't "I feel limbs that aren't there" or "I conceptualize myself as nonhuman" (which are standard therian experiences), it's "I literally have a nonhuman body right now".
Physical identity has recently usurped spiritual identity as the "most real" in people's mental hierarchy, so there's a social pressure to say you have a physical identity even if you don't– and it's easy to use phantom shifts to justify that if you're coming from TikTok and don't know that most therians have them, or if you feel like you won't be taken seriously otherwise. It's watered down both therian and holothere/physical therian as terms because the difference between them has been reduced to Vibes when there is actually a very specific distinction (the "physical" part is literal).
As I've said before, the current situation with therianthropy is very reminiscent of what happened with fictionkin in the 2010's, and if things go the same way (which they likely will, online trends die out but communities persevere even if they get fragmented) we are not going to lose the legitimacy of "therian" as a term, and we should be fighting to make sure it stays a serious, well-defined word– not abandoning it because we're worried about being associated with roleplayers on TikTok. We will always be associated with roleplayers and furries by outsiders, if it was avoidable we'd have figured out how by now.
Oh the other thing I wanted to say about this is that stuff like "linguistic shift is normal" only applies if the people in question are the ones responsible for the change! Currently what's happening is that the word therian is being appropriated by people outside the community, which is entirely different from if therians themselves suddenly decided to water down their own term.
"Language changes" was actually one of the biggest arguments KFFers used to justify their appropriation of the word "otherkin", and I'm not about to let people think that ceding a decades-old community to a social media trend is a reasonable and justified thing to do.
The language is ours, it only changes if we want it to.
having the brain go "nope" when accidentally stumbling across a memory you arent supposed to know about is like the mental equivalent of walking face first into a glass door
Hello! I’ve recently been wondering if the therian community would be a suitable home for my lifelong vague “it-would-be-cool-to-be-an-animal” feelings and (more recently) animalistic self-image and phantom ears/claws/etc as I go about my daily life. However, I’m 99% sure my feelings are a coping mechanism/escapism for gender dysphoria, since they were most strong as a teenager (before I realized I was trans) and only came back recently because I’m going through a frustrating time with being unable to progress in my transition. It’s weird to think about bc on one hand, I do definitely think you could make a case that I’m a therian on the level of experiences, but in terms of explanation/identity, it feels more like I’m a human who got some wires crossed than an animal in a human body, you know? Maybe I’m closer to otherlinkers or even furry lifestylers? I’m really not so sure. I guess the labels don’t matter so much as I’m wondering if this is something anyone else has experienced and what the kin community makes of it lol.
Personally, I think that's well within the bounds of therianthropy, if you feel that the term fits. The line between "I want to be [x]" and "I am [x]" is paper-thin, when it exists at all, and while "run-on effect of gender dysphoria" is an unusual explanation for therianthropy, there's no reason that it should exclude you from the definition in my opinion - especially considering how common it is for gender and species to interact in the nonhuman communities.
Basically - if therian is a useful label for you, then I see nothing here that should exclude you from it as far as I'm concerned. @ folks in the notes, what are y'all's thoughts?
historically, therianthropy was defined by the way one's human experience interacted with their "animal side". it's always been a wacky sliding scale of 1% animal/99% human to 100% animal/happens to have a human-shaped body now.
if "therian" is a term comfortable to you, use it! orthohumans tend not to wonder if they're animals, or be concerned about how much animal they feel like, because they dont feel animal at all, and that's a pretty good measure to me of when someone ""fits"" therian.
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Thinking about my (Enjin) aspect of our dragon kintype. I have an overall feel in my head but I haven't put it to paper yet. Something large, stocky, and for some reason there's something pushing me to feel it could be a little mechanical even? I'll have to mess around seeing what feels right drawing--it's the usual process, anyway. Think on it, start sketching, rework and chip away at that sketch until it feels pretty good, then go over with some details. Rework as needed and as you experience more stuff.
I think it's interesting though, how I got this overall vibe in my head inherently about it. A lot of us have initial feelings about what our draconic selves would look like, I'm not unique in that. Usually it's a vague overview of body type and we're free to pick apart the other details until they feel right. Dazai knew his draconic self would be long and wingless. Shiloh knew his was small and fluffy. Del knew its was lanky and "soggy looking". It's just kinda handy that you generally get a sense of what your dragon self is before you even think too hard on it in here. Makes the process a little easier.
A lot of gear suggestions aren't conducive with workplace or school dress codes, might be unsafe for some, or just aren't everyone's style. Here’s some ideas for understated nonhuman expression that's not just "wear a graphic print".
If this post inspires you to buy anything, please shop secondhand where you can!
CLOTHING
Fabric choices - Animal print or fur isn't the only option! Focus on which textures you associate with your ‘types. Maybe you like heavier fabrics like wool or leather, wrapping you in a protective layer. Maybe you enjoy the lightweight feel of silks and linen that flutter in the wind. Maybe the structure of sturdy denim feels like a chassis. What feels right against your skin?
Cut - This refers to the shape or style of a garment. What silhouettes read as your ‘types? Maybe you want to add bulk via a boxy blazer with shoulder pads. Maybe sleek, straight cut trousers or a pencil skirt is more you. Look up cuts of jeans if you're new to this and want to start somewhere!
Socks - Maybe they're full on novelty socks, maybe they've got hoof prints on the underside. Fun and subtle!
Shoes - Big platforms or steel toe boots might remind you of hooves, or running shoes can keep you nimble and quiet on your toes. From an aesthetic standpoint, pay attention to the colour and textures. Maybe a brown suede reminds you of your paws, maybe metal hardware reminds you of your shell.
ACCESSORIES
Watches - These could be subtle, with just a strap colour your associate with your ‘type, or a full on statement piece that looks like alien technology. I picked mine because it reminds me of a cat collar.
Cat collar bracelets - Speaking of, these just look like leather bracelets and are a hell of a lot subtler than wearing a dog collar!
Glasses frames - Does the shape of your frames feel insectoid? Round and owl like? Qquare and boxy? How do they transform the shape of your face? Of course, a relevant colour or pattern is also an option!
Pins & Brooches - These could be colourful enamel pins or small simple vintage brooches. Wear them on your clothes or bags.
Belts - This can be a great place to introduce heavier textures like reptile skin or suede, or you can go the opposite direction and use fabric or rope. A statement buckle can be a fun addition if you want to get a bit flashier!
TL;DR Thinks about these two things: what feels right in a sensory way (good textures, lines up with phantom shifts) and what looks right to you (colours, patterns, how fabric sits on your body).
My body in source was covered in tattoos, but honestly? I don't miss the sleeves or the back or my neck or my chest tats. I miss the tiny little rings on my fingers the most. It makes me dysphoric to not see them there. Maybe it's just a result of me seeing my fingers more, so it's weirder to see them so blank? Most of our body, including our hands, is usually covered by clothing so it's generally the only bit I see. What annoying dysphoria to have, though.
thank you so much for your median sys resources! one of my friends recently realized they might be a median sys and while i was trying to find resources for them, i was really struck by the lack of resources like i’ve seen in other system spaces. especially the post with all the scales to help describe the experience will help my friend tons, i think, so thank you!!
- with love, 🕊️🍒
You're very welcome! We made most of them because we saw the gap and were getting a little frustrated with seeing folks told they're not plural enough or they should "make their own term" for their experiences, with the median term itself slipping under the radar. It's much more common than people think! Very, very glad our stuff is helping people!
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“Body” is a vehicle that is under someone(s) name(s)
Others (feel free to comment)
Voting ended onMay 10
Strictly for this earthly realm and this physical reality, to keep things simple.
You are still welcomed to talk about your experiences if you are parallel lives sharing a mind, or each having your own body, or a hivemind structure, etc.
Shopping for groceries while being plural. Such a mundane activity. Yet to a singlet it would probably be equivalent to having a bunch of kids trying to tell you what they want. For us it's kind of like that I guess, but also kind of like downloading extra memories you didn't have before.
I set out to get groceries and remember one guy wanted croissants. I pick some up and hear "NO NOT THOSE ONES HE LIKES THE OTHER BRAND". I now know he cares about what specific brand of croissants he wants. I take like 5 steps and there's a guy like "choccy milk on sale Megumi you have to get some". I now know that this guy likes chocolate milk. I'm near the exit and some guy goes "wait do we have gum I need gum if we don't have any". I now know he needs gum to do something with his mouth instead of smoking. I get out the door and another guy goes "you need to remember to go to the other store to get my highly specific alcohol". I now know he was planning to drink with a friend. I go to pick up some ham and I remember some guy going to eat some but getting scared because he kept getting intrusive thoughts that it was raw and unsafe. Now I know that guy can't eat ham.
So on one hand yeah, on good communication days it's loud and it's a lot and it could be frustrating. It's like shopping for a whole family that all want different things. But it's also a way to learn more about each other and what we get up to in front, despite any amnesia. And above all else it's what we're used to. A quiet shopping trip is a lonely shopping trip.
I need. Someone to explain to me more in depth about what a "collective identity" is when you're a system. I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around existing as a collective- when we're blurry, we're not a headmate, so it's hard to feel a sense of "self" other than masking.
Can't speak for everyone else but I can share our experience. For us personally, it's less that we all individually have [collective identity] in terms of our kintypes/hearttypes. It's not blurring either. It's more like the body itself has those identities, in a way? We're collectively dragonkin, because it's something that comes with the body and brain itself, so we each individually get a sort of "filter" over us that results in all of us being dragons in some way. Some of us are dragonkin separate from the collective identity, and we can kind of just.. tell whether it comes from something we'd experience ourselves otherwise, or whether it comes from the body's "default"? Things that come from the body itself feel different, more malleable and more.. distant, maybe? From the individual's sense of self.
Hard to explain, but essentially it's just that our body seems to have some "default" stuff going on that affects all of us. This is true of our other kintypes and our hearttypes too, as well as our collective special interests, and some other things. They're things that are ingrained into the body itself, thus affect all of us at least a little. You can go against the "default" because at the end of the day we're all individuals, and it sure as hell doesn't cover every (or even most) aspect of our lives, there's just a few things here and there you're much more likely to do/be/experience because the body itself is wired that way. The body is dragonkin, the body has a special interest in birds and plants and those are also the body's hearttypes, not really tied to any individual.
In terms of other identities (us being transmasc and bi, collectively), this is less about a body-default and more about how we've chosen to present the body as. It's less about our identities and moreso what we're doing with the body itself. We have our own queer identities internally! But on the outside, we're transmasc and we're bi, and that's all people who only see us at a surface level need to know. Of course folks in the plural community or friends and such can know our individual identities, but it's just (unfortunately) easier to navigate most spaces with a framework of what the body is presented as.
And in terms of collective opinions and such, sometimes it's affected by the "body default" but really if we refer to something as a collective opinion, it's likely a surface-level general consensus being presented as such because we can't go around with a survey asking 500+ of us every time we want to share something, lol.
So, I guess it means a lot of things for us? But we're a big system, and at the end of the day I don't think you could 100% get all of us to agree perfectly on any one identity or any one thing overall. It's unfortunate that with how singletnormative everything is that we have to sometimes present with collective opinions or identities, but usually there's nuance to "collective identity" under the surface we just don't feel the need or have the energy to specify. Aside from whatever our body has going on, of course--and even then, despite the body having it's own set of identities and ideals going on, there's still people who go against those as well.
Despite being able to "have" a collective identity to some degree, we much prefer when spaces allow room for us to be wholly individual. Doing things like having different identities, opinions, likes, dislikes, disabilities, queer labels, etc. So we do try to stick to those as much as we can. This is also why some of us have our own entire accounts and emails and such. We're whole, different people, and sometimes it's a pain in the ass to have to act as a group. Sometimes you just want your own space.
I'm going to be starting to put together a large list of useful websites for questioning kin/theriotypes, if you have any good websites you'd like to be added please do tell ^^
I have some websites and some blog posts here if you have the patience to look through them all. You can also just stick to websites if that makes it easier, but a section for blog posts about quesitoning could be very useful as well.
General Identity Questioning:
Alterhuman Shifts and Self-Discovery Tools (that-dreaming-dragon)
Finding one's species or kintype (otherkin.net)
Introspection using the THINK method (circlet-and-sarissa)
A guide to questioning and basic terms (shadowfae)
Rani’s questioning tag
Otherkin Questioning and Guides:
Identifying Your Otherkin Species by Sprite Rêvenchate
Kintype belief of origin (aestherians)
Questioning Kintypes and Related Alterhumanity (shadowfae)
Questioning: A guide on how to find your kintype (fromfiction)
Therian Questioning and Guides:
Advice to questioning therians (river-selkie)
Using websites to research theriotypes (a-dragons-journal)
More websites to research theriotypes (a-dragons-journal)
Types of Shifts (Therianthropic) (theriannation)
Dragon vocalizations (a-dragons-journal)
Help for questioning cervids (defrostedvertebrae)
Otherhearted Questioning and Guides:
A Quick Guide for Questioning a Hearttype (further-fields)
Kintype vs. hearttype questioning (aestherians)
Common Themes in the Early Animal-hearted Scene (atlas-of-mossland)
Fictionkin Questioning and Guides:
fictkinhelp blog (inactive)
Fictionkin FAQ on the fictkinkin blog (includes questioning help)
It really is funny how frequently I see people go "I miss the old alterhuman community, where people would have real discussions and make meaningful content. There were so many personal websites! Sometimes I can even hear their voice..."
We are literally right here. We do these things on tumblr daily. Half the people I follow on here have personal websites they update regularly. I'm in like 6 well-attended discord servers where all people do is share their experiences and have meaningful discussions. We didn't go anywhere, you've just apparently fallen victim to the convenience of The Algorithm and forgotten that old web spaces required you to seek them out on purpose and didn't endlessly churn out new content if you didn't contribute.
Sure the current trends on social media and prevailing internet social culture suck (and not just for alterhumans), but frankly on tumblr it's really easy to curate a feed of actually interesting alterhuman posts, and most of the old forum culture has simply moved to discord. The kind of community you supposedly miss so much still exists, it's just not what shows up first when you google "alterhuman". You just need to actually talk to people and find out where they hang out. Better yet, bring those kinds of discussions into public spaces so people can find them!
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the constant battle between "if i dont act enough like my kintype then nobody will take me seriously and everybody will call me a poser and beat me up" and "if i act too much like my kintype then everybody will think im forcing it and also call me a poser and beat me up"
It's May 24th, which is schizophrenia (and psychosis) awareness day. We have schizoaffective disorder ourselves, and it influences our own alterhumanity in a few ways here and there. We've probably done a post like this before, but I'm doing it again.
Reminder that alterhumans of any kind with psychosis are no less real in their identities than an alterhuman without psychosis. Having a psychotic disorder doesn't discredit your personal identity in any way, even if it does stem from a delusion. It doesn't matter where your identity comes from.
So. Shoutout to: Systems formed from or influenced by psychosis. Otherkin who are nonhuman due to delusions. Endels of any kind. Otherlinkers who have 'linked something to help with their psychosis or because of it. Otherhearteds who have a hearttype that relates to their psychosis. Physical nonhumans who are this way due to delusions. Fictionfolk and factfolk who have their identities influenced/formed by psychosis. Alterhumans who get euphoria from their psychotic symptoms. Alterhumans who are alterhuman because they're psychotic. Alterhumans who just happen to have a psychotic disorder and those two things don't intersect.
You deserve a place in this community. You deserve to be accommodated, you deserve to be safe, and you deserve to not be the talking point of discourse every other month.
