A Collection of Curious Things

When we put the OG -genic terminology out there, we had no clue it'd get as big or as ~controversial~ as it did. It was a whim and not exactly the best thought-out one, but you know. Horses, closing barn doors, etc. It was supposed to be something helpful and useful! And, for the most part, something personal! If one of the terms jived with someone, they were welcome to use it, and if not, that's okay!

THIS IS STILL TRUE. It's next to impossible to know if something, systems included, formed purely because of trauma or not. And it ultimately doesn't! Fucking! Matter! Because all systems are systems, plurality is a spectrum of experiences, and if you're more than one then that's what matters.

If you find them personally helpful, even just as a way to sort of find community or folks with similar experiences, go ahead and use them! If you want to use them, use them! If you think the terms are useless, don't use them! If you think they can't possibly summarize your system's existence, don't use them! If you think they're just, well, stupid, FAIR so don't use them!

my issue is if you're WILLOGENIC

why the FLIPPITY FREAK would you want to live like this my guy

this is freaking hell on earth

i can't remember ANYTHING for the life of me and half the time i don't know what i was just doing OR WHERE MY FOOD JUST WENT

like gang. do we really want to live with that

it's not "haha silly i have my favourite characters in my head" nononononono it's "damn when's the last time i actually ate something" "why can't i remember this thing that i did literally yesterday" "WHO ATE MY CHEESE"

someone literally ate my mozzarella cheese last week and i'm still mad abt it

okay anyways onto the next point

if ur "endo" idrc as long as u don't bother ppl? like yknow. i mean like. i'm neutral towards this kinda thing? yknow?

also i think that being endo doesn't mean being willo. am i alone on this?

like i'm not actually gunna hate on someone for being endo or smth bc uhhh long as ur not problematic its kinda okay? like. just respect other ppls boundaries yknow? don't interact w/ ppl who have endos in their dni? like basic online etiquette stuff. yknow?

i mean. if ur endo ur prolly not a system but plurality isn't limited to just systems. if you use system terms then like. maybe i kinda have an issue with that? cause like. there are enough terms for plurals as a whole. you don't gotta use terms that are VERY specific of a group of people if there are other terms you can use? like... not all rectangles are squares kinda thing? yknow what i mean?

anyways thats enough yapping from me.

SEVEN OUT

Links to studies about different presentations of DID, including different alter types, childhood and adolescent DID, and DID across different cultures.

"...You'll gain weight" 🚫

Wrong

Body negative

You need way more calories than a slice of cake to gain even one pound

"...You'll get sick" ✔

Correct

Sugar is good but if you eat too much you get stummy ache :(

Better when eaten in moderation anyway

Prioritizes listening to your body

"...Without me" 👀

Secret third option?

Encourages community

Get sick with someone you love

Coping with Fact-Source Guilt

[Plain-text: Coping with Fact-Source Guilt]

by mod espresso [plain text: mod espresso]

hello, and of course it's okay! thank you for sending this ask. not all of them are specifically created for factkin, but we hope it can help a little. (✿◠‿◠)

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Preface

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disclaimer: i can't know your entire situation, but here are some advice, that i hope can help - your mileage may vary. take what works, discard what doesn't. everyone's experiences are different and you are the expert of your own experience. we can't dictate it for you, nor do we want to.

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first off, let me say that your guilt is valid. you're allowed to feel it, and don't have to rush it/get rid of it immediately. you are allowed to sit with your grief and cope with it in a way that helps you, even if it looks "bad" to others. examples: writing a letter to him and tearing it up at the end, making vent moodboards/aesthetic, drawing, journaling, making crafts, or even creating RPF of your source. you are allowed to do anything within your ability. you can ask people you trust to help too, if you have them.

also, if breathing/grounding exercises help you during this coping time, you can do that. if they don't help, don't do it. you don't have to force yourself to do methods that stress you out, worsen the guilt, or trigger disability symptoms.

just please be safe with it - e.g. practice harm reduction, don't burn paper or flammable objects in your living space, etc. but if you can't be safe with it, if coping hurts you, know that it's okay and you're not forever "a failure" or "tainted" or "will never be able to get over your guilt".

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secondly, there's nothing wrong with using resources not specific to alterhumans, such as looking up "how to cope with guilt" in general, or "how to deal with scrupulosity (moral OCD, where one has an obsession in trying to adhere to an impossible moral code and the compulsion to do all sorts of things to reach that moral standard)".

if it helps, it helps. you're not "stealing resources".

(regarding scrupulosity, the obsession can look like "i don't want to seem problematic to other alterhumans" or "i don't want to seem like i support him just for being joe hawley factkin" or "how do i make myself seem palatable to the widest audience?".

the compulsion could be hiding your identity, forced - instead of consensual - source separation, forcing yourself to campaign against him, impulsively deleting all his artwork that you saved on your devices/physically, etc..

of course, not every activity above can be seen as obsession/compulsion. however, if it's distressing to you, or give you problems in work/school/daily life/etc., it's okay to look for scrupulosity/moral OCD resources and find a community that may help.

imo, moral OCD can be hard to spot, and can be worsened by being close to fandoms who like to harass others.)

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thirdly, it's okay to rest from your source's artwork. it's okay to block his tags (whether the artist or the band or their work or anything related). it's okay to block people or need rest from the fandom. you may return later - or not return at all. factkin (and other fact alterhumans) of public figures shouldn't have to be involved with fan communities, historical communities, etc. of that figure.

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fourth, if you join communities or use resources, you don't have to show your identity. safety and privacy are important and you don't owe strangers information about your factkinity. you are not obligated to say every single detail, especially with people you do not trust.

of course, i get that it's nice when you can be fully yourself. but if, say, you join a community of ex-fans, or a moral OCD help forum, you don't have to say that you're joe hawley but you can say you're a fan of him who is struggling with guilt about liking him since he was outed as doing harm.

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Links

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disclaimer 2: we are not affiliated with other blogs besides our own. linking is not endorsement.

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Resource 1: What to Do When Your (Fact-)Source’s Morals are Different from Yours and It Causes You Hurt by Mod Reaper of fact-anonymous

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here is the link to the post by mod reaper from this blog

This post talks about the guilt and hurt of finding out one's source has done harm, and how to cope with it. This post also links other posts (not alterhuman-specific) related to how to cope with liking an artist who has done harm, and how not to put someone on a pedestal, and to be open to change in yourself.

while this post was written for a factive's question, you could adapt it to a factkin situation:

being a factkin is also a thought crime. it's an identity, not an action. actions you take depend on yourself, and everyone - you included - has the capacity for kindness. you aren't automatically going to do harmful things like your source.

you shouldn't have to be punished for being yourself.

now, some relevant quotes:

"You do not have to beat yourself/yourselves up for liking his work, idolizing him (...) or being him. It [resonating with a public figure's identity or artwork] is something that commonly happens in the era where mass and new media is so easy to access.

You do not have to immediately disavow every single thing about him, particularly his artwork, or say “he was always a bad person/his art was always bad anyway”. You don’t have to justify your existence, or your enjoyment of his art.

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The important thing is to not put money where his mouth is. As in, the important thing is to not do actions that concretely support him financially or politically, e.g. buying his albums, retweeting his bigoted tweets, verbally justifying his harmful actions and views, etc."

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Resource 2: "Super Problematic" Factkins by ama-factkin

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and here is the link to this post by @ama-factkin

this post talks about what OP thinks about factkin whose sources have done harmful things, as well as divinekin.

we will quote the important parts here:

"The kintype is not the action.

Being otherkin is not something that has moral weight. Being otherkin does not automatically mean you are a good or bad person. (...)

[Plain text: The kintype is not the action. Being otherkin is not something that has moral weight. Being otherkin does not automatically mean you are a good or bad person.]

I have a problem with individual people who do things and then blame those things on their kintypes.

I have a problem with people who engage in cult-encouraging behaviours whether or not they are otherkin.

I have problems with people who do cultural appropriation whether or not they are godkin.

I have problems with people who glorify dictators whether or not they are factkin.

I have a problem with people who make serial killers out to be cute little misunderstood angels whether or not they are factkin.

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But being factkin/godkin does not make a person more likely to do these things, and people who aren’t otherkin do them every day.

In conclusion: I think all factkin and otherkin alike are valid and I maintain that a kintype is not an excuse for bad behaviour. What matters most is the way the person acts, not what identities they hold." (emphasis ours)

[Plain text: a kintype is not an excuse for bad behaviour. What matters most is the way the person acts, not what identities they hold.]

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Resource 3: How to deal with learning your source and/or source creator is a bad person by multiplicity-positivity

[Plain text: Resource 3: How to deal with learning your source and/or source creator is a bad person by multiplicity-positivity]

here is the link to the post by @multiplicity-positivity

This post talks about how it's okay to mourn/grieve the loss of someone you look up to, and links a resource about source separation in the end, so read at your own discretion. OP has stated that source separation is not mandatory, and I quote: "Please keep in mind that you do not have to completely and totally separate from your source in order to view them in a healthy, more distanced way. You can still identify as or strongly with your source while simultaneously acknowledging that you are your own person and are not responsible for the actions, thoughts, and decisions of your source."

relevant quotes here:

"it’s alright to mourn or grieve the loss of someone you and your system once looked up to. It’s alright to feel hurt or betrayed when someone you thought was a kindhearted person turns out to not have others’ best interests at heart. There are no wrong feelings. It’s alright to be sad or even distraught about this. We’d encourage you to feel your emotions and attempt to connect with them, sit with them, and ultimately, let them go.

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Just because our sources made bad decisions or chose to take advantage of someone else does not mean we are doomed to repeat those mistakes. We are capable of learning from our sources, it’s true, and even acknowledging their mistakes as examples of how we can lead our lives a bit differently. And we can do this without repeating the actions of our sources or convincing ourselves that, because our source is/was harmful, we are harmful as well

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we will stop engaging with their content in ways that benefit the artist, but that doesn’t mean we have to give up enjoying that artist’s work entirely."

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Resource 4: Coping Without Source Separation by cambriancrew

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while this isn't a factkin post, it can be useful, perhaps. post is by @cambriancrew.

A quote from here: "You don’t have to source separate to change your current and future self. Just be consciously choosing to be, moment to moment, a brighter, bolder, kinder, better person — to grow and learn and become the person you want to be."

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Resource 5: You shouldn't have to be punished for your memories of other lives by sarksdimension

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a post by @sarksdimension - it's geared for other alterhumans but i believe that factkin can benefit.

"You shouldn’t be punished for things you’ve done in your memories of other lives. No matter what you remember doing, if you’ve done nothing wrong here and are trying to be better, that makes you a better person than you were before. (...) Even if you slip up, remember that recovery isn’t linear and everyone makes mistakes. If you just keep pushing to become better, and you want to become better, you’ll get there. I believe in you."

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Resource 6: Reassurance for Someone With Memories of Immoral Behaviour by hazyaltcare

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link to the post by @hazyaltcare

Warning for mentions of school shootings.

Quotes: "Your actions in this timeline matter far more than they do in any other, as this timeline is the one you have actual influence over. (...)

The fact that i’m able to acknowledge how fucked up the things I did in other timelines were actually have helped me grow as a person and have shown me the person I don’t want to be.

Don’t punish yourself over a life you remember when it’s one that’s completely outside of your influence. You can’t change what happened, just like you can’t change that kintype or who you are.

Be kind to yourself. You don’t need to justify yourself or your kintypes. Literally the fact that you know what you did in that timeline was wrong is enough.

Remembering bad things in other timelines doesn’t mean you are going to enact them in this one. Just like intrusive thoughts, exomemories are not indicative of your future actions."

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Resource 7: Source Controversy by hazyaltcare

[Resource 7: Source Controversy by hazyaltcare]

link to the post:

Quotes: "It’s okay if you need to take a step back from all of it and unplug from what’s going on in your sourceself’s life. What’s happening to him isn’t a reflection of yourself and your character, and you’re not obligated to defend him.

Remember that when other’s say they hate him, they aren’t talking about you. Your sourceself’s controversy is not yours to bear. Being a version of Deuce doesn’t mean you are responsible for every other version of Deuce (your sourceself included!)"

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of course, we know that your source's actions affect others in this timeline. people who are still living here and now in this world. it's up to him to apologize to people that he targeted, to give financial compensation, etc.. even from a pragmatic point of view, it's not possible for you to do so. you're located in a different body that hasn't done that, maybe even in a different country. so, it's not your responsibility.

we hope this can help, and take care of yourself if possible. if it's not possible, know that you're not lesser for that. you are still worthy of kindness and respect no matter your capabilities - or your source's actions, for that matter.

Lately there's been a lot of dissociating while at work, along with trouble communicating with headmates. Also while we normally operate with at least two people in front at a time, work usually makes that impossible which slightly impairs our ability to stay grounded.

Also if you don't have DID but have issues dissociating at work and have any advice that would be nice too!

We work at an ice cream shop and usually there's 1-3 people working a shift at a time, anyone with experience in customer service or the environment of a place that sells food who has tips please share! But also I'll appreciate any advice from anyone willing to share, even if it's a different situation/experience.

Hi everyone, i made this survey in an attempt to take a closer look at the most common syscourse beliefs across different stances. I'd appreciate if you could take this survey and share as well!