Trans men are men!

Forcing schools to out students six weeks after learning about their sexual orientation puts LGBTQ+ youth in danger. Florida schools should be a place where kids feel supported, not scared. 

This bill already required schools to inform families that their children identify as LGBTQ+ upon coming out. Outing students was not a requirement when believed that doing so might lead to abuse, neglect, or abandonment. With this amendment, there is no longer a way around it.

This bill will force children to hide who they are in fear of being outed. Our youth will be at an even greater risk of abuse, neglect, and even homelessness. This bill is dangerous for LGBTQ+ students and harmful to education.

Florida’s Don’t Say Gay amendment is not okay. Do better, Ron DeSantis. 

Tik-tokers are using Grindr to out Olympic athletes.

The only reason I heard about this is because I subscribe to Queerty's email list, and I decided that this needs to be made more publicly known.

So far several athletes have already had their names, faces, and other information plastered all over tiktok and other social media through this outing campaign.

Guys.

This is going to get people KILLED.

Not everywhere is the US. In fact, as much as the US sucks in terms of LGBTQ+ rights, it's WORLDS better than some other places.

Some of these athletes, if outed, will not be able to return to their country for risk of being ostracized, losing any form of employment, being beaten, being imprisoned/forced into a tortuous work camp, or outright killed, with no repercussions. In some of these countries not only is this legal, being gay is illegal and the punishment is death. I can not stress this enough.

Outing someone in the US can be horribly dangerous, and no matter what it's wrong. But it's important to realize that doing this could not only ruin lives, but end them. No exaggeration.

In the best of circumstances, outing someone is wrong. Not everyone is ready or able to share their truth for a number of reasons, and some people simply don't want to be out (I think that idea gets forgotten a lot on here). In some parts of the US it can even be dangerous, however, the difference is we as a country have deemed murder illegal. In other countries, if you so much as look "too gay", you could be in danger from anyone on the street, and the law will side with them, not you.

Furthermore, using Grindr for this makes it all the more despicable, if that's even possible. You are infiltrating what is supposed to be a queer safe space and turning it into one more dangerous, hostile environment, thereby robbing it's users of the resource.

Chick across the table from me, holding a book on Wicca- “You know, that’s cultural appropriation.”

it's on? my about page?? that i have adhd???

Plus, let's be really clear: those terms are accessibility anchors for diagnosis. If you have a special interest, you may not be autistic, but if you realize that you're going from special interest to special interest, and that you really do have special interests rather than just liking stuff, maybe you're autistic!

And since ADHD and autism have stunning under-diagnosis rates, especially among Black and brown folx, CAFAB folx, otherwise-disabled folx, and a ton of other intersections, making those terms common and commonly-understood and not rigidly policing their use actually helps people figure themselves out.

I wasn't diagnosed as autistic until I was 35, and I just got my ADHD diagnoses & medication this year, at 43. I don't know if I would ever have gotten the assistance I needed, or started working on my own accessibility without much help from doctors, if I hadn't been surrounded by a community that helped me understand myself by using those terms.

Seriously, though, Forced Disclosure is toxic, stop gatekeeping useful terms, no one owes you (anon) an explanation of why they're using terms like special interest or hyperfixation.

FIRSTLY, Vaspider is right about everything.

Additionally, diagnosis for autism is a checklist. A CHECKLIST. You meet a certain number of criteria and you get a diagnosis. There’s no magic or deep algorithms involved. There’s specialized language, and nuance to standards, which is why professionals are helpful, but at the end of the day, if I’m diagnosing an adult or adolescents with autism, it’s based first and foremost on their own SELF REPORT. As in I say “hey do you experience X?” and they say “yes, and it causes things to be hard for me”. This isn’t rocket surgery.

The criteria for diagnosis has changed within your lifetime. It’s changed during my career. These diagnostic criteria are not carved in stone and frankly the conversations about what gets included in the DSM and what doesn’t are laden with politics, power moves and other less-than-scientific forces.

All this to say that someone might genuinely, legitimately struggle with a number of ADHD or autism traits and not meet diagnostic criteria. That doesn’t mean they don’t HAVE them, it means if I want the insurance company or employer to pony up some support I need to come at it from a different angle. We can still work on those issues IF those issues are causing harm to the client in question. (I honestly do not give a shit whether their parents or whatever think special interests or hyperfixations are annoying. They can go suck eggs.)

So NO, you can’t reasonably say that only ppl who jump through the correct gatekept hoops get to use those words, because those are NOT the only people who have those experiences. Pretending otherwise hurts a wide array of people and makes accurate care even more difficult to access.

Whilst a stubborn minority of transphobes continue to fuel rising discrimination against trans and non-binary people, they are just that: a minority. When you look at the data, what you find is that trans rights – from basic sympathy for trans people to support for self-identification and toilet access – have clear support across society, especially amongst women and young people.

The tme trans kids in the UK who can't get HRT or surgery anymore... Specifically because of JKR and her TERF cronies... They aren't collateral damage! They aren't! How the hell is that collateral damage? How is it collateral damage for any trans child to deal with that kind of despair and hopelessness?

I know people dont say this situation is collateral damage specifically, but by calling how TERFs harm tme trans people collateral damage in general, you call this collateral damage too. [TW: suicide, death, eugenics ] I mean, they do realize this will kill all kinds of trans kids? No matter if they're tma or tme? Death is not collateral damage EVER. No. Fuck no.

This goes for all trans people who have ever died as a result of TERF's rhetoric and lobbying. All of them matter and not a single one is "collateral damage." The death of any trans person not a side effect of TERFism. It's the fucking goal. They want to eradicate us all. [TW: End]

Acknowledging this doesnt detract from how violently transmisogynistic they are. It's just that they're dangerously transandrophobic and nbphobic too! Just because it's covert and hidden away most of the time doesn't mean it isnt there...

Absolutely. It’s incredibly disrespectful and erasive to call the very real harm TERFs cause to transmascs & nonbinary people as a whole “collateral damage”, and it’s ignorant of the fairly explicitly-stated goals of TERFs as well.

Abigail Shrier did not write Irriversible Damage because she hates and wants to hurt trans women alone, and everyone else is an afterthought. She wrote it explicitly and specifically about transmascs, because she wants us, specifically, not to exist.

Some TERFs hating transmascs doesn’t erase the TERFs who ally themselves with transmascs and TERFs who are transmascs.

The target of TERFs are trans women first and foremost, and the goal of TERFs is the eradication of trans women.

If you’re asking why there tend to be more transmascs in the movement, though, the answer is fairly simple: TERFs actively want us there. What you’re misunderstanding here is why TERFs include and exclude certain groups, and how that inclusion and exclusion works.

For trans women, yes, the goal is to be recognized and validated as women; that means inclusion in feminism. So when TERFs say “no, we aren’t going to include you, you’re not women”, that is obviously counter to those goals & needs. It’s very easy to look over at the transmascs they do include and think, well, they’re getting what I want- that’s unfair.

But TERFs do include trans women, when it benefits them. If you read that article, you’ll see what I’m talking about.

“At the end of the day, a “gender critical” trans woman can only serve one real purpose, if required – to attack trans ideology as a trans person. It’s a kind of on-call duty: TERF accused of transphobia, intervene as trans woman to deny and offer character testimony.”

And why do they include transmascs? Is it because they care about our struggles, validate us as men, and want to help us fight the transphobia that impacts us? Are TERFs donating to transmasc transition funds and discussing ways to better include us?

TERFs believe that trans men are women, that they are victims of trans ideology, and that any day now a cleansing wave of detransitioning trans men will sweep through the population. (Urquheart)

They include us because they want to manipulate, abuse, and sometimes even sexually assualt and rape us into detransition. They want to “turn” us. They want to “save” us. They want to eradicate the transmasc population just as much as they want to eradicate the transfem population; they just go about the two differently.

There are no “TERFs who don’t hate transmascs”. There are TERFs who manipulate and abuse us into detransitioning by pretending to have our best interests at heart, and there are TERFs who manipulate and abuse us into detransitioning by openly hating and harassing us.

I’ve seen at least three transfem TERFs during my time here. It stunned me every time.

Using the fact that transmascs are targeted for indoctrination into a cult with the ultimate goal of coercing them into detransitioning and living miserably with their gender dysphoria until they become another suicide statistic to demonstrate that there’s an ‘allyship’ between transmascs and TERFs is… really ugly to me.