just saw somebody say they think odysseus would have been against sacrificing iphigenia/he would hate agamemnon because of it
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just saw somebody say they think odysseus would have been against sacrificing iphigenia/he would hate agamemnon because of it
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whatβs funny about odysseus being portrayed as a pacifist in any trojan war retelling is that yes i hold the draft dodger myth very close to my heart but once he went to war he made himself an expert at it. the war haunts him, the war follows him home, songs of war are said to make him weep like a woman whose husband is killed and who is about to be taken captive [which is, btw, the most loaded imagery i could imagine homer using], and all of that matters because he was very, very good at it
#there are also just so many reasons to dodge the draft beyond ideological objection to violence#odysseusβ devotion to his family is DEEPLY selfish#(positive. to me)#heβs not the moral centre of anything#heβs the fruit flavoured centre of a gusher also the fruit thing was a lie itβs blood via @gladiolusβamicitia
he just wanted everybody else to go to hell and let him go home
i just donβt think thatβs true. in pretty much every story there is, whenever the achaean armies hit a roadblock of any kind, he doesnβt turn around. he moves it. need achilles? iβll fetch him. no winds at aulis? sacrifice iphigenia. agamemnon just told everyone to go home because of a dream he had? iβll make sure they stay put, and beat them into submission if necessary. need the bow of hercules? iβll steal it from philoctetes. and on. and on. and on.
if he wanted to leave, the war could have been over before it began. he wants to win it. and he doesnβt try to go home until he has.
Why was Odysseusβ bow so hard to string?
(The bow I use in this is Chinese in design rather than Greek, but it hits some of the key shape points)
Even though much of Homeric epic communicates the martial rape of a coerced spear-conquest bedmate as though it were sexual copulation in legitimate marriage, Priam cuts through this Homeric euphemism about sleeping and bedding with Trojan wives to acknowledge the impending mass rape on site once Troy is conquered. Unless the doomed Hector survives to continue defending the city, Priam will see βhis daughters and daughters-in-law mauled (αΌΞ»ΞΊΞ·ΞΈΞ΅Ξ―ΟΞ±Ο ΞΈΟΞ³Ξ±ΟΟΞ±Ο, αΌΞ»ΞΊΞΏΞΌΞΞ½Ξ±Ο Ξ½Ο ΞΏΟΟ) by the destructive hands of the Achaeansβ (Il. 22.62β5). The mauling is sexual, for αΌΞ»ΞΊΞ΅ΞΉΞ½ (or αΌΞ»ΞΊΞ΅αΏΞ½) here signifies aggravated rape, just as it does when Tityus βraped (αΌΞ»ΞΊΞ·ΟΞ΅)β Zeusβ consort Leto (Od. 11.580). The sense of αΌΞ»ΞΊΞ΅ΞΉΞ½ specific to heterosexual rape is synonymous with the Homeric αΏ₯Ο ΟΟά΢Ριν, which is a frequentative of αΌΟΟΡιν, βdrag along,β and, like αΌΞ»ΞΊΞ΅ΞΉΞ½, stresses the dragging or mauling involved in attacking and subjecting female persons to aggravated rape. TheΒ OdysseyΒ uses αΏ₯Ο ΟΟά΢Ριν to convey what Penelopeβs suitors are doing to the female slaves in Odysseusβ house (Od. 16.108β9 = 20.318β19). A definition of αΏ₯Ο ΟΟά΢Ριν presented in theΒ Etymologicum magnumΒ (Gaisford) thus further illuminates the sexual nature of the impending violence against Priamβs daughters and daughters-in-law by Achaean and allied fighters, for αΏ₯Ο ΟΟά΢Ριν means βto sexually maul (αΌΞ»ΞΊΞ΅ΞΉΞ½) and to copulate with a woman through force and compulsion (Οα½Έ ΞΌΞ΅Οα½° Ξ²Ξ―Ξ±Ο ΞΊΞ±α½Ά αΌΞ½Ξ¬Ξ³ΞΊΞ·Ο αΌΞ»ΞΊΞ΅ΞΉΞ½ ΞΊΞ±α½Ά ΞΌΞ―Ξ³Ξ½Ο ΟΞΈΞ±ΞΉ Ξ³Ο Ξ½Ξ±ΞΉΞΊΞ―).β49Β This is a concise and apt definition of aggravated heterosexual rape. As Porphyry puts it more succinctly, αΌΞ»ΞΊΞ΅ΞΉΞ½Β meaning βsexually maulβ is αΌΞ»ΞΊΞ΅ΞΉΞ½ Ξ΅αΌ°Ο α½Ξ²ΟΞΉΞ½ in the sexually specific legal sense of α½Ξ²ΟΞΉΟ as rape.50Β This succinct definition likewise indicates the salient aspects of aggravated rapeβsexually penetrative mauling through sheer force. This is what Nestor and the Homeric narrator call βsleeping or bedding down withβ and what Priam refuses to hide under these covers.
(Ancient Warfare and the Ravaging Martial Rape of Women and Girls : Evidence from Homeric Epic and Greek Drama by Kathy Gaca in Sex in Antiquity, Masterson, Rabinowitz)
The word Priam uses mentioned/quoted up there is the same Hektor uses in this line "[...]May I lie dead under the barrow that is heaped over my body ere I hear your cry as they carry you into bondage."" He's just as likely/probably more to be talking about hearing her being sexually assaulted as "just" being dragged off into slavery.
This chapter/essay is rather tough reading, but it's really interesting if you're at all interested in the captive and enslaved women in the Iliad.
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they want women to compete in sports according to standards designed for men because they are *checks notes* not misogynists, apparently. well I say I want humans to engage in inter-species sports with gorillas and cheetahs because what? you donβt think humans are equal beings? we will lose with honour as equals
wait until they find out many things, from cars to medication to public infrastructure, is based on male bodies and male standards and thus leaves women uniquely open to dying more frequently. but this is fine, right? weβll live according to male standards and die as βfeministβ heroes, partaking equally in this apparently equal society that is made for *checks notes* less than half the human population alive right now, who have almost a total monopoly on political and economic power. Iβm really smart you guys, remember youβre a martyr for the cause when you die in that car crash at higher rates than men
Every Jane Austen book is like what if your family sucked so bad like the worst any family had ever sucked but you couldnβt get rid of them bc of honor. And every Jane Austen movie is like this woman loves her family :) little miss sunshine :)
#they whitewashed the Confucianism right out of the original novels (via)

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We all know Wentworth is the best Austen man. Thereβs no discussion about it. Heβs the best among her heroes. Your favorite might be whomever, it doesnβt matter. Wentworth is the best of them all. He knows it, we know it. We love him.
We as a society don't talk often about how the ending given to My Fair Lady by Hollywood is absolutely rubbish.
Eliza Doolittle from the start is shown as an independent woman who only wants to gain skills to further her career. Yes for a brief moment there she is attracted to Professor Higgins but I like to attribute it to proximity for a long period of time (6 months according to the wager) but after the Embassy Ball she calls Higgins out for his highhanded, misogynistic personality. Then why is she shown to go back to him to in the end?
George Bernard Shaw, writer of Pygmalion from which the plot of My Fair Lady is drawn up, protested the ending till 1938 that Eliza going back to Higgins is unacceptable to him and he gives a marvelous explanation for it
"When Eliza emancipates herself β when Galatea comes to life β she must not relapse. She must retain her pride and triumph to the end. When Higgins takes your arm on 'consort battleship' you must instantly throw him off with implacable pride; and this is the note until the final 'Buy them yourself.' He will go out on the balcony to watch your departure; come back triumphantly into the room; exclaim 'Galatea!' (meaning that the statue has come to life at last); and β curtain. Thus he gets the last word; and you get it too."
i think one of my other sticking points with austen is that her villains never meet appropriately grisly ends to satiate my bloodlust. if dickens wrote sense and sensibility willoughby would get hit by a train
I wish - but anyway. Never mind thatΒ
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Iβd take another pride and prejudice remake if itβd make Darcy x Wickham a thing