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i'm answering here because answering to the comments it's getting a little hard xD no i do agree, i think that there's a version where Celegorm gives Aredhel and Maeglin horses to escape more quickly from Eol, but i don't remember if it's a scrapped version or anything.

hard agree with everything in the second paragraph! and i think -- as an additional response to your comment on the other post too -- that's why it's so irritating to see people try to excuse celegorm and deny his misogyny on the basis of his relationship with aredhel; as you put it, use it to "act as if he was somewhat of a women respecter done dirty." it stems from this binary that if a man treats one woman or even multiple women in his life well, then he just can't be a misogynist, he's so sweet to x and y so he'd never do that to anyone, etc. etc., and that binary is completely false! just because celegorm shows care and concern for one woman, whom he knows and loves, and even just because he, in one version, tries to help protect her from violence from another man, absolutely does not mean he won't be as misogynistic and coercive as they come towards other women who aren't as important to him. and i agree, these types of guys are especially insidious because of the belief in that false binary, so fandom ignoring celegorm's actual textual actions in favor of "he's friends with aredhel, i can't believe he'd want to sexually assault luthien" is very... meh.

found it! It's in War of the Jewels, HoME XI. at this stage of development, Aredhel and Maeglin's names weren't decided yet (they're called Morleg and Isfin). and yet the last line is that the intervention of C+C reappears years later. so i can guess that this was kept for the same reason JRRT wrote down the Eol&Curufin meeting: to make C+C not 'just villains' but to give them some good traits that would make their downfall even more tragic.

re: galadriel and the feanorians, i think the best answer is just that, like you said, she's at a wonky place narratively since she was added to the story later. if i had to hazard a guess at the watsonian perspective, i think maybe some personal factors start sliding in unconsciously there? because unlike aredhel whom the sons of feanor were explicitly friends with, there's as far as i know no indication that galadriel would have had a remotely positive relationship with them -- given her whole dislike for feanor and everything. "unfriends forever" still gets me lol. and even if celegorm and curufin are overall slanted by a sense of superiority and pride, i guess, as noldor, anyone would be more inclined to defend a cousin you're friendly enough with that she'd travel a huge distance to see you, as opposed to a cousin who dislikes you and whom you've had minimal contact with for the last several decades, even if all of you are part of the same larger family. plus galadriel was in thingol's court for a while, so maybe celegorm and curufin would have subconsciously ousted her from the "us" category to some degree. that said, i wonder if they would have completely thrown her to the wolves if she was in a situation similar to aredhel's? (not that the thought of galadriel needing assistance from those two doesn't sound deathly unappealing to me, lol.) i think curufin still would have reproached the offender at the very least, if only out of affront that one of the noldor would be treated that way and not any individual affection for galadriel herself.

yeah Galadriel in the 1st age is a tricky question because it's obvious that she was added much later to the story of the Silmarillion. i too assume that if she disliked Feanor she also disliked his sons, since there are not many options, i guess.

in the published Silmarillion Finrod is friendly with Maedhros and Maglor and Curufin and Celegorm seems to get along with Aegnor and Angrod in a version (albeit it was later changed for obvious reasons):

In The Later Annals of Valinor, Angrod, Aegnor, and Orodreth had a great friendship with Celegorm and Curufin; so much so that when "Fëanor and his folk seized all the ships and sailed east across the sea, and they took none of the other companies save Orodreth, Angrod, and Egnor (Aegnor), whom Celegorm and Curufin loved".

so as you said, i am guessing that if anyone tried to offend Galadriel, they would at least have reacted for her brothers' sake, or because she was part of the family, and so it was a matter of 'pride of the clan' more than anything else. but of course we enter in the realm of the speculation here ... i've also seen fanfics where the SoF (especially C+C) had no much problems in treating Galadriel as a pawn for their own gains, which, meanwhile doesn't hold many basis in canon, nothing that we know about them excludes it.

my speculation is that well, Aredhel was their close friend, Galadriel was 'unfriend forever' with their father, so therefore she absolutely was not on the same level of Aredhel in matter of affection. maybe Galadriel herself would have never asked them help in the first place was she in a similar situation, but tried for another cousin?

also! i just remembered that in nome there's this quote:

Even after the merciless assault upon the Teleri and the rape of their ships, though she fought fiercely against Fëanor in defence of her mother’s kin, she did not turn back. Her pride was unwilling to return, a defeated suppliant for pardon; but now she burned with desire to follow Fëanor with her anger to whatever lands he might come, and to thwart him in all ways that she could.

this seems to heavily imply that galadriel fought against the noldor in the kinslaying of alqualonde, or at least stood in very obvious opposition to feanor in some other major way. so if we go by this version she'd probably have an even worse relationship with the sons of feanor, to the point that most of them legitimately might not even consider her family (even in that loosest "we're descendants of finwe" sense) anymore.

regarding the time frame of celeborn and galaadriel's marriage: according to the silm at least, they were definitely romantically involved by the fairly early first age, as celeborn is part of her incentive to stay in doriath when finrod departs doriath for nargothrond. nothing about marriage at that particular time, but by the time of thingol's death, they are definitively married:

At that time Beren and Lúthien yet dwelt in Tol Galen, the Green Isle, in the River Adurant, southernmost of the streams that falling from Ered Lindon flowed down to join with Gelion; and their son Dior Eluchíl had to wife Nimloth, kinswoman of Celeborn, prince of Doriath, who was wedded to the Lady Galadriel.

yeah, there are some versions where Galadriel fights against the sons of Feanor in the First Kinslaying, so that would be a big turning point for all of them, and maybe not even Maedhros (who was more diplomatic) could have passed over it. surely Galadriel making the choice of marrying a Sinda and adopting a Sindarin name (and not a Sindarin version of her name, like the other Noldor, but a complete new name given by her husband) must have felt like an attempt to forever sunder herself from her previous family. if even Thingol earned an insult from Caranthir, I can't imagine Galadriel getting 'spared' from such treatment, bonus because, in their eyes, she was somewhat of a traitor.

Took just shy of two months, but my dragon in goldwork and silk is done :)

"A sister they had, Galadriel, most beautiful of all the house of Finwë; her hair was lit with gold as though it had caught in a mesh the radiance of Laurelin."

Mališa, otherwise known as Little One, is a pet pigeon owned by a conservative butler of the Austro-Hungarian aristocracy. She is loved, and she is pampered— until her owner is murdered in cold blood, and she is left to fend for herself in Sarajevo.

In the wilds of the city, she feeds from the poor, working nationalist radicals, and the vieux riches alike.

To Mališa, there are no ethical concerns. No politics. No burgeoning nationalism.

Wet bulb temperature is not the ambient temperature.

Wet bulb temperature is the lowest temperature attainable by water evaporation. I.e. the THEORETICAL lowest temperature the human body can maintain based on the ambient humidity and temperature. The source I found cites the lowest wet bulb temperature that is dangerous as 88°F (~31°C) with 95°F(35°C) as the absolute limit of human survival. As OP said you are producing more heat than you can expell at those temperatures. You have to understand that you CANNOT cool down in that kind of heat even with a fan or by standing in the shade. Fans cool us by speeding up the process of evaporation which at high enough humidities it cant do. You are entirely reliant on having a functional AC unit and having power to said AC unit, just speculating here but this is probably why you see heat related deaths jump in urban blackouts.

A lot of focus in the UK has been on how our infrastructure is not built to cope with high heat and that is true, but we must remember that even in countries that are historically accustomed to heat, this is not normal either. And countries historically accustomed to heat don't necessarily have the infrastructure to cope with it either - see other posts floating around about A/C causing grid demand and rolling blackouts in India during the heatwave.

Also, how much of your population has access to properly cooled indoor spaces is going to massively affect heat deaths. Which is not just affected by how historically we built our houses, but also by who had the materials and tools and space to build appropriately - ding ding imperialism and colonialism and exploitation and also, global societal problems like homelessness (where do homeless people go to cool down? who notices if a homeless person dies on the street?). You can know everything about how to survive in a heatwave but it doesn't help massively if you don't have access to the tools and resources to apply that knowledge because they're being hoarded by fascists and billionaires,.

This is what people mean when they say climate justice is linked to colonialism, capitalism, class war, and a billion other social issues. I'm not saying don't complain because the heat is bad in Europe, it is and we should shout about it, but we should also notice the differences in how we're talking about heatwaves globally, and remember that no human is built to deal with the levels of heat we are seeing globally.

So from then on whenever one of us called something problematic, he would make us talk it out until we could name the “bad” thing we were hinting at. In this particular class, 7/10 it was some type of oppression, and the remainder was like, “I’m uncomfortable because this is very new/confusing/pushing boundaries that made me feel safe.”

Once we stopped calling things “problematic” and stopping at that, class got way more interesting and... we all had to say, like, “that’s racist” or “that’s misogynistic” or “ew capitalism gross” out loud, which a lot of us had never done in a classroom before. Or we had to be like, “Uhhh... I’m not sure what’s so bad?” and confront our own beliefs and that was maybe even more useful.