Did Ivan Vaughan ever share his version of the feteful day? @mcbeardymullet has done a great series of historiography posts on The Day John Met Paul, which reminds me that Ivan Vaughan is one person who didnāt spill the beans. Imagine introducing Lennon to McCartney, and choosing not to boast about it!
Among Quarrymen memoirs, Vaughanās book Ivan: Living with Parkinsonās is unusual because itās about his experience with the illness, mentioning the Beatles only in passing.
And when I say Beatles, I really mean John. (Nothing at all about George or Ringo.) Thereās a whole chapter about John, mostly sweet memories from primary school days, with a glimpse of Apple-era madness, and Johnās caring reaction to the news of Ivanās diagnosis. Many of the books published after Johnās death play up the authorās intimacy with John. Ivan goes the other way, writing āJohn had lived in New York for years, and contact between us had been sparse.ā
He downplays his friendship with Paul even further, though they were close through the Beatle years and beyond. Paul provided a blurb for this book, and Ivan thanks āPaul and Lindaā - without surnames - in his acknowledgements. But there are no cute stories, no āhow I met Paulā. Ivan does nod to their friendship (including an amazing line not-quite-admitting that his wife didnāt like John):
āMy attachment to both John and Paul ran deep and occasionally I would go to great lengths in order to see them at a momentās notice. Maybe Paul saw our continuing friendship as a way of maintaining simple values he held dear. Jan liked Paul, though she did not see much of John. She was not the least bit mesmerised by their fame. She enjoyed eating at expensive restaurants and sampling Londonās nightlife, into which Paul took us from time to time. But, should the effort become too great, she was willing to let the relationship fade.ā
Ivan and Paulās friendship didnāt fade, as Janās own account makes clear. Ivan is choosing not to talk about it.
It underlines how differently people write about the living and the dead. In 1988, when Ivan wrote this book, being a friend to John meant sharing memories, celebrating little details that would otherwise be forgotten. Being a friend to Paul meant protecting his privacy, helping him keep a slice of his life out of the public gaze. Even if that meant leaving out the Woolton fete.
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John:Ā āItās a groove, growing older. Iām looking forward to it, when Iām, say, 67, and theyāll have me on the Eamonn Andrews Show. āāAND HERE HE IS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, CARRYING THE VERY GUITAR HE PLAYED ON STAGE AT THE WORLD-FAMOUS CAVERN IN LIVERPOOL: JOHN LENNON.āā
Paul:Ā āAnd then youāll play āShe Loves You?āā
John:Ā āYeah ā what a groove!ā
(Disc And Music Echo, interview with Ray Coleman, December 16, 1967)
A page from fan Sue Houghtonās scrapbook, a photo of her with Georgeās parents (Louise and Harry), a letter from George, and a photo featuring fan presents displayed inside the Harrison home at Mackets Lane in Liverpool.
āMrs. Harrison opened the door and said, āOoh, youāre a Beatles fan. Come in,ā and she called upstairs to Georgeās dad, āHarold! Thereās a fan of our Georgeās here.ā There was no slamming the door in your face. Once, Louise let me sit in the front of Georgeās Ford Anglia. I asked if I could wash the car. āAre you soft?ā she shrieked. āWell, I suppose so, if you really want to. You can come back on Sunday and do it.ā During that week I had a letter from George [from Hamburg]. I tore it open to find heād written tongue-in-cheek instructions on how to wash his car.ā - Sue Houghton, Yeah! Magazine (November 19, 1995)
āI started out a John fan but then George sang Three Cool Cats and I liked it so much I bought a wee china cat, put a label around her and handed it to George as a request: āPlease sing Three Cool Cats for Sue.ā He did, so I bought two more cats to match and he kept them in a row on his bedside table (which I know because his mum would let me rummage round his room when I went to the house).ā - Sue Houghton, The Beatles - All These Years: Tune In Extended Special Edition
āI remember being with George Harrison one morning and he went into NEMS and bought Chains by The Cookies. Theyād never sung that before. He took it home and that night they were singing it at the Cavern. Towards the end of ā62 you could still wander in and out of the Cavern and rub shoulders with them. Theyād be at the back getting a cup of tea and chatting with the girls. It was only once Please Please Me came out that it all changed.ā - Sue Houghton, MOJO (November 1995)
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Speaking of my dad independent inventing yaoi, I think itās so beautiful that I did basically the opposite of that. In watching Get Back I immediately recognized the building blocks of compelling yaoi and thought āit would be awesome if McLennon was real.ā But thereās no way ā itās too perfect. The narrative is too rich, too tragic, too satisfying. It canāt be. My heart was open to yaoi⦠and closed to the truth
Just saw two comments: "there is a new trend of complete randos (people who usually don't post about the beatles or even about 60s/70s music) making posts about mclennon and i don't think i like it" and "mclennon finally going mainstream with popular situationships i literally gasped so loudly and almost dropped my phone"
Why do you think there was this surge of mclennon content and interest? I'm kind of expecting a boom in fanarts and fanfictions and posts after the biopics, it wouldn't surprise me, but it does indeed surprise me that so many new people are jumping onto this train now.
Ps: since we're on the topic, do you have info about how mclennon was perceived in the '60? I know women created a whole shipping fandom for Kirk and Spock in those years, I get that it was illegal until 1967 but I also find it hard to believe there wasn't shipping content/speculation going around.
I think it is a combination of several things that have happened over the last decade. The Understanding Lennon & McCartney YouTube series was released in the mid-2010s and then reuploaded many times afterward, and it ended up getting a lot of views. Even skeptical people were surprised by how much they learned about John and Paul's relationship just from watching it. The creator didn't really have to argue for anything; they simply laid out real quotes and videos and let people draw their own conclusions. Then, around the late 2010s, you also had the OSD and AKOM podcasts, and of course, the Get Back documentary. I remember reading a lot of discussions about Get Back on the Beatles subreddit, and there were countless comments along the lines of, "I now know they were just friends, but not gonna lie, there were some scenes that made me think, 'Wait... were John and Paul ever...?'" I've also seen many people across social media share similar experiences, saying that friends or relatives who knew nothing about mclennon noticed the intensity between them while watching the documentary. That isn't really surprising because there are quite a few "WTF" moments in Get Back, especially during the conversations about India (not to mention the intense eye contant between them). Then you have Now and Then, with people involved in the projectālike Giles Martin and Peter Jacksonādescribing it as a love letter from John to Paul, and even Paul himself saying that he prefers that interpretation. And, of course, Ian Leslie (who was heavily influenced by the OSD podcast)'s book became a bestseller and generated a lot of discussion in both the media and among celebrities. So it doesn't surprise me at all that mclennon has been attracting more curiosity from both Beatles fans and the general public after everything that has happened over the last decade.
Now, regarding your question about how McLennon was perceived in the 60s, the main things we have are insiders making suggestive comments, as well as people questioning John and Paul's sexuality. Yes, I do know about that magazine where fans listed the things they liked about each Beatle, and under Paul's section someone wrote, "his looks at John." But personally, I don't think that necessarily means they were "shipping" them or interpreting it romantically. I think they simply found it endearing and thought the way they looked at each other was cute. It's also important to remember that vast majority of young fans at the time were incredibly naive about homosexuality. Some people genuinely didn't even know what it was. Freda Kelly (who was the secretary of the Beatles Fan Club) is a good example. She said that when people were saying Brian Epstein was gay, she didn't even know what that meant until John explained it to her. On the other hand, many Apple Scruffs, such as Lizzie Bravo, noticed how intensely close John and Paul were, how in sync they seemed, and how often John went to Paul's house compared to the others. Yet Lizzie herself only saw them as friends and even expressed disgust when she heard people suggesting there was something romantic between them. Now, there is also an interesting anecdote shared by the user @mclennonwasreal. He said he had been in contact with a woman who had been an Apple Scruff, and she told him that she and her friends definitely noticed there was something unusual about John and Paul's relationship, but they didn't really understand what they were seeing at the time. It was such a taboo subject that they simply didn't discuss it until many years later, when they began looking back and wondering whether what John and Paul had really fit the definition of a purely platonic relationship.
As for Kirk and Spock, I do know people were shipping them in the 70s, but I think that's a little different because they were fictional characters. Shipping real people is a much more recent phenomenon and really became widespread after the 90s. And, as I mentioned, most young Beatles fans in the 60s were still very naĆÆve about homosexuality. By the 70s, society had changed somewhat, but by then John and Paul were married to women, had kids, were living on different continents, and no longer performing together. If the Beatles had still existed as a band throughout the 70s and 80s, then yes, I think there probably would have been a greater chance of seeing fans speculating about them and scrutinizing their relationship more. But as far as the 60s go, what we mainly have are rumors, suggestive comments from people within their circle, and people working at Apple or in the studio coming up with nicknames that mocked their relationship (and apparently there were other nicknames besides "John's Princess," by the way). @packyourromanticmind mentioned knowing someone whose father worked part-time as a driver for the Beatles, and he said there were rumors among the staff and people in that circle about John and Paul being together. Then you have people like Yoko, Francie, and Maggie, all of whom noticed the intensity between them. Different insiders interpreted that intensity differently. Someāsuch as Peter Brown, Ruth McCartney, Marianne Faithfull, and Ray Connollyāmade comments that at least suggest they believed John and Paul's relationship was much more emotionally loaded than an average "platonic" friendship, even if they didn't necessarily think they were lovers. Others, like Alistair Taylor, also spoke about how extraordinarily close they were, while still describing the Beatles as "rampantly heterosexual." So I think it's not surprising that there wasn't much fan speculation or fan-created content about John and Paul during the 60s. Most fans only saw them in televised interviews, concerts, films, and magazine photos. In those settings, they could certainly be playful and affectionate with each other, but probably not in a way that most people at the time would have interpreted as anything more than close friendship and playful banter. The people who really got to witness the relationship up close (family members, insiders, Apple staff, journalists who spent extended periods with them, and friends) were in a much better position to notice just how unusually intense that relationship actually was.
The Last Days of John Lennon by Fred Seaman was published in 1991, after several years of legal fighting between Seaman and the Estate, including a criminal conviction for Seaman. He's still persona non grata from the Estate and many observers' POV, with some good reason, though the Estate's hands don't seem to be clean either. You can read about it all here.
Seaman worked as a personal assistant to John, and in the Dakota Studio One office, in 1979 and 1980. He got the job via his uncle and aunt - his uncle was friends with Yoko and his aunt was Sean's nanny for a while. He stayed on for a while after John's death, until the Drama unfolded and he was gone. Apparently he was trying to get the book published for many years before it finally came out, and he's been known to pop up on Beatles forums with various takes (including getting into fights with Francie Schwartz, lmao).
It's hard to establish how reliable Seaman is. His history with the Estate, his taking of John's diaries and his strong bias against Yoko all work against him. He's also been accused (by Mike "Tree" Medeiros) of passing off other people's experiences and conversations with John as his own. I would say he is a less reliable source than John Green, but is not totally unreliable either.
When Seaman starts his job, John is still partially in his depressive period; spending a lot of time in his room. As they get to know each other better, John is a bit more relaxed, but still a demanding, moody boss. Of course, not as bad a boss as Yoko, who Seaman makes no secret of loathing. In his telling, she's cold, contemptuous of both John and Sean, periodically addicted to heroin, and agoraphobically neurotic.
Like in John Green's account, the Dakota court is chaotic, rife with miscommunication and always full of people dashing about with their hair on fire. Seaman's first trip with the family is to Palm Springs where Julian and Yoko's nieces join them. Seaman witnesses (or claims to witness) John and Julian's awkwardness with each other when they are first reunited, and John's sadness about that. He also observes John as a parent to Sean - trying, but not able to cope with normal toddler boisterousness. Like in Green's account, child Sean seems both indulged and neglected, and acting out as a result. Seaman has Sean once saying "Daddy should join the Beatles again!" and John being annoyed, but that sounds extremely made-up, lol.
One part that does sound real is John talking about the early Beatles years as a time where he felt the power of the muse, was "hot" in his songwriting, and "high on life". Obviously the early years had their complications too, but I can see them holding a magic quality for John simply for that feeling of being in control of his destiny rather than it being controlled by others.
I've heard the Dakota life described as being like an episode of Frasier, and that definitely rings true, haha. Farcical events include:
Fred being sent to collect Yoko's mother Isoko from a Howard Johnson's in Times Square, where she has voluntarily stranded herself for reasons unknown. When Fred arrives, Isoko insists he sit down and join her for ice cream.
Fred repeatedly getting instructions to buy practically the entire contents of bookshops, record shops and video stores for John, Sean and Yoko.
Fred and two flower shop employees gathering hundreds of gardenias in the dead of night and placing them all over the Palm Springs house in lasagne trays, for Yoko's birthday the next day (after which Yoko informs Fred that in Japan, gardenias are traditionally associated with death).
All the staff scrambling to stop the two Sams (Green and Havadtoy, both sort-of boyfriends of Yoko's), turning up at the Cold Springs Harbour house at the same time.
While Yoko is away on a trip with Sam Green to Fire Island, Sam Havadtoy phones John in Bermuda to ask where she is and what she's doing. New level of triangulation unlocked by Yoko.
John and Yoko are not unlike how they are portrayed in John Green's account, with John, at least, alternately mythologising Yoko and being disillusioned by reality. Seaman's account frames Yoko as not giving a shit about John except to control him and spend his money. Frequently John wants her to come to Long Island or Bermuda or somewhere and Yoko keeps refusing - at one point because she is supposedly having a full-blown affair with Sam Green. The incidents Seaman describes could be true but they don't give much insight into Yoko's inner life. I'm inclined to think the more nuanced, anxious Yoko in Green's account is probably more realistic.
John's love of the sea and boats is delightful to witness and a high point in the narrative. Eventually they end up in Bermuda, where Fred is sent after John has sailed there. Now John is writing songs (something he says always makes him "horny") and Fred is beside himself with excitement. I would bet that he talks up his own involvement with the various demo recordings and even familiarity with the material. Also he repeats myths about some songs' genesis, for example "I'm Losing You" being composed from scratch in Bermuda, when demos of it exist from at least the year before.
The Bermuda renaissance has followed a low point in the book - the Lennons' reaction to Paul's arrest, which betrays none of the concern allegedly shown by John to Green. Instead, John and Yoko act like a pair of petty children, laughing at Paul's misfortune, saying it serves him right and John seemingly believing that Yoko effected the whole thing with a magic spell (Seaman indicates he believes it was a set-up at the airport orchestrated by Yoko, but there's no evidence for that). Seaman may be exaggerating but I believe the essence of this childish response is based in truth. They really come across terribly here: toxic, codependent and bringing out each other's worst impulses.
Fortunately things look up when we get to the Double Fantasy recording sessions, for John at least. Again, it's hard to know how accurate Seaman's account is, but the studio-John he portrays seems realistic. Interestingly, his demeanor seems pretty similar to how Paul-in-studio is described - exacting, intolerant of freestyling, expecting the musicians to play exactly what he wants them to and no more. But these traits are never described by anyone as "bossy" or tiresome. Inch Resting.
Seaman dismisses Yoko's songs and has John and the musicians more or less doing the same - I imagine the reality was more nuanced. Both Sams make regular appearances at the studio, but spend most of their time in a lounge with Yoko as she talks on the phone (her favourite activity).
Seaman included a supposed conversation in Bermuda where John talked philosophically about expecting to die violently, as he had been violent when he was younger. It's very hard to know if this has any basis in truth or not. On the one hand, it's a perfect little "just-so" premonition story, of the kind that abound whenever a famous person dies unexpectedly. On the other, Double Fantasy producer Jack Douglas recalled a similar conversation with John in the studio not long before his death, that disturbed Douglas so much that he erased the tape on which the conversation had been recorded. He didn't describe the conversation but intimated that it was about death. So perhaps John was in the habit of talking about morbid subjects. But he's hardly the only person to do that, and like always, the nature of his actual death gives horrible import to such conversations, making them seem like premonitions.
The confusion and anxiety in the Dakota in the days after the murder sounded just awful. Even if Seaman is conflating or exaggerating or expropriating details, the misery and confusion and paranoia feels real. One detail that stayed with me is how long it took anyone to tell Sean what had happened - I'm still not sure who told him and when.
Seaman's own account of the diaries saga sounds extremely sus - he's clearly covering his own ass. I don't believe he took them just to give to Julian. His account also has him reading parts of the diaries while John was alive, claiming that they just happened to be "left open" on a desk somewhere. Bullshit. That part is where any credibility he's built up over the story starts to be whittled away. I also think he may have had more of a role in transporting drugs to various places than he lets on. However, I do believe his story about being abducted and beaten up by off-duty cops working for Yoko, prior to being arrested.
Seaman's John is close enough to Green's John to feel like the same person - he's funny, weird, sometimes pompous, moody, intelligent but often catastrophically unself-aware; other times insightful; prone to monologuing, nervous, childlike, restless, sometimes terribly inappropriate, aggressive and unsettling; other times whimsical and often deeply endearing. He feels like a real, human, flawed, infuriating troubled and lovable person. Seaman's Yoko has moments of humanity, but is mostly quite flattened by his relentless dislike of her, which is probably at least a little bit informed by misogyny and "As John's best friend" syndrome. Not that she is beyond criticism, but when it's cartoonish it's harder to take seriously the moments where Seaman does seem to feel genuinely threatened by her and her goons. Which I think are probably real, but again, exaggerated and his own shadiness downplayed.
If you were just going to read one Dakota memoir, I'd say Dakota Days is probably more reliable, but this book helps flesh out some aspects of the picture. At the same time, you should assess its anecdotes more carefully than that of most books, because of the documented issues with the author's reliability.
"It's becoming easier to deal with as I get older [...] But the swings in emotions from ecstatic highs to suicidal depressions are actually physically and mentally wearing and I always had it all my life and it's just what I'm stuck with."
- John on dealing with depression, 1980
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The genius.com annotations for āHow Do You Sleepā give four very different and convoluted readings of āSo Sgt Pepper took you by surpriseā and none of them make sense
The first comes closest to making sense imo but still gets basic facts wrong lol.
Anyway I still donāt really know what he meant by this one. I think the āyouā taken by surprise is the general public, but I can buy that itās Paul. Weird pronoun stuff happening though. It sounds rushed to me. Not his finest moment as a person or lyricist
The genius.com annotations for āHow Do You Sleepā give four very different and convoluted readings of āSo Sgt Pepper took you by surpriseā and none of them make sense
Brian was the worst cruiser in the world. He could never pick up anyone. People used to ask me about his gayness, [and] I would say, "ŠŠµ was the worst homosexual in the world." I mean, he really was the least predatory homosexual I have ever met.
Nat Weiss quoted in All You Need Is Love by Peter Brown.
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Itās weird how much Jane Asher has vanished from the Beatles narrative. She wrote herself out, of course, and good for her - but several generations of fan and professional Beatle storytellers have done the same. Post-breakup, John-centric narratives sidelined Paul and therefore Jane. Paul edits her out of his story. I think Tumblr lowkey sees Paul/Jane as a notp, and tends to park her in Bristol. More recent journalists donāt pay her much attention, particularly since her fame/career is British rather than international.
So itās strange to go back to 1960s sources, where Jane is by far the most visible Beatlemania-era partner. And she took up space! Leaving her out means thereās a big piece of the jigsaw missing.
Pete Townshend remembers Jane as āwell-bred, polite and astonishingly pretty; behind the demure exterior simmered a strong personality, making her the equal of her famous beau.ā Which is pretty much how everyone describes her. When Paul, Jane, Ringo and Maureen went on holiday to Greece in 1963, Ringo said, āI remember we walked around the Parthenon three times, probably to please Janeā.
You can see that assertiveness in interviews. Here she is, telling Michael Braun in 1963 that Paul was an idiot to encourage her to hide away in a Paris hotel, rather than going out sightseeing (plus frank commentary on his personality flaws): āāThatās typical of Paul,ā she remarked. āItās so silly of me to stay at the hotel. Itās just that heās so insecure. For instance, he keeps saying heās not interested in the future, but he must be because he says it so often. The trouble is, he wants the fansā adulation and mine too. Heās so selfish; itās his biggest fault. He canāt see that my feelings for him are real and that the fansā are fantasy.āā
This is the period when the Beatles were hiding Johnās marriage from fans, and smuggling Pattie and Cynthia out of hotels in maidsā uniforms and laundry baskets. Jane: not putting up with this shit.
Iād guess that some of Janeās confidence came from class privilege and a successful career (though Pattie had those too). Unlike Pattie, Jane had a very supportive family background, particularly her mother. Which made me think of George, who also had a very supportive mum, and of Paulās fond description of George taking no shit, refusing to do things he didnāt want to do. (It was from the Carpool Karaoke filming - Iāll add the link if I can find it.) He does seem to admire people who can cut to the point without getting tangled up in verbal or emotional knots. And, given how conflict-avoidant he could be, itās striking that he had a long-term relationship with someone who spoke her mind this much and this bluntly. It makes me wonder about Paulās various argument songs with Jane: what did she think of them? Because I am 100% certain that she told him.
Here she is, photographed by Dezo Hoffman in 1963:
Itās a photograph that shows her as one of the gang, in on the joke with the glasses, relaxed and casually dressed. It reminds me of George Martinās account of coming round to get them to record in Paris, and finding Jane pouring out tea. Sheās hanging out with them, not waiting on the sidelines.
Refusing to give up her career is probably the best-known thing about Jane - but from a 21st-century perspective, itās easy to overlook how unusual she was for doing it. This isnāt just about Paul, or the sexist pop world, or the āNorthern menā stereotypes usually invoked here. I recently saw a 1960s documentary asking a group of successful young women how they saw work, sex, and relationships - including journalist Maureen Cleave, actress Sarah Miles, ballerina Moira Shearer. It was very clear that second wave feminism hadn't happened yet. Most of them said they expected to stop working when they marry, to prioritise their husbandsā careers and wishes, to marry men who would take the lead and make most of the decisions. But Jane wasnāt doing any of that. Again, she credited her family for it, telling Hunter Davies: āI've been brought up to be always doing something.ā (At 80, she is still working.)
Other rock star wives and girlfriends seem to have found her slightly intimidating. Maureen called her āsuch an intelligent personā but noted: āPaul is such an assertive fellow (you know) he knows what he wants and Jane is that way too.ā In her second book, mentioning Jane prompts Marianne Faithfull to consider all the ways she downplayed her own career to accommodate Mick Jagger. Pattie remembered Jane as āthe girlfriend with whom I felt most at home,ā since they were both posh Londoners, ābut because we both had heavy work commitments she was also the one I saw least.ā (Incidentally, Jane wasnāt too busy to become good friends with Cilla Black, one of the few women in this circle who emphatically prioritised her own career.)
Pattie told Hunter Davies that the four Beatles āall belong to each other⦠It used to hurt me at first, as I slowly began to learn there was a part I could never be part of. Cyn talked to me about it.ā According to Tony Barrow, Jane wasnāt having that: āShe said that Paul acted differently towards her when he was with the boys: āI donāt want to be part of a gang. I want to feel that itās the two of us going through life together.āā
I have mixed feelings about those two quotes! Janeās is a valid thing to want from a long-term romantic partner, but realistically, itās very very difficult to do that when heās a Beatle. Pattieās āthey all belong to each otherā reminds me of the four Beatles saying how glad they were they had each other, that only four people in the world had this experience. Once theyād gone through that, they did all belong to each other. So itās complicated, and they both have a point. But after reading Pattie, Cynthia, even Marianneās accounts of making themselves smaller, holding their tongues, itās a joy to see Jane refusing to let Beatledom govern her life.
She took up space. She stuck to her guns. As Davies puts it, āPaul and Jane have more time together, on their own, than probably the other Beatle couples. They do get away together, to places like their Scottish home, thanks to Jane.ā
That presents it as Janeās doing, but I suspect Paul valued it, too. He both loved and pulled back from the four-headed monster of the Beatles: he didnāt want to live in the stockbroker belt, he thought the Beatle Island in Greece would be a nightmare. Where John was often eager to merge identities, Paul feared losing himself. He wanted closeness to John and the other Beatles, he wanted the group to go on forever, but he also wanted space. I think Jane helped him take it.