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Hi, love. This is a little bit of a silly question, but I read on ex-twitter that John paid wiccans to curse Paul? Did that actually happen? It sounds insane, but John was a little mad so who knows?
Oh boy! People really do be saying anything lol. The first thing that jumped out at me from the original answer in the screenshot is a reference to "John's letters to Paul". I WISH we had letters to Paul from John! The closest thing is the angry open letter in Melody Maker in 1971, which is actually addressed to Linda, but contains many swipes at Paul. John's diaries apparently contained much writing about John's resentment towards Paul, but we don't have the actual texts of those, just a couple of books by two authors with dubious credentials who claim to have seen the diaries, and don't contain any direct quotes.
"Hiring Wiccans off the street" - I think the OP might be touching on the accounts in the book by John Green (JY's tarot reader), Dakota Days, which I reviewed here. There's one section where John complains to Green that Paul and Linda are still together despite his (John's) predictions, and Green does a reading that says they are actually unhappy and on the brink of divorce, which pleases John. No mention of spells. The closest thing to a spell reference comes in Fred Seaman's book (review) where John tells Seaman that he believes Yoko cast a spell to ensure Paul would be arrested in Japan. But no confirmation from Yoko or anyone that she actually did that.
I see this a lot in the fandom - people half-remember certain things and build up a whole new narrative from them, which by itself is not particularly harmful - I don't mind people tinhatting and having fun - but can be very misleading for people new to fandom who want to find out the actual facts. Next time you see a claim that sounds unbelievable, check for a source (not that published sources are always particularly reliable either, but at least you can use them to trace back the claim to its origin).
trying to figure out if a memory of mine actually happened or if its a hallucination a dream i had or a lie i told a bunch of times and forgot was a lie
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Apparently a lot of people get dialogue punctuation wrong despite having an otherwise solid grasp of grammar, possibly because they’re used to writing essays rather than prose. I don’t wanna be the asshole who complains about writing errors and then doesn’t offer to help, so here are the basics summarized as simply as I could manage on my phone (“dialogue tag” just refers to phrases like “he said,” “she whispered,” “they asked”):
“For most dialogue, use a comma after the sentence and don’t capitalize the next word after the quotation mark,” she said.
“But what if you’re using a question mark rather than a period?” they asked.
“When using a dialogue tag, you never capitalize the word after the quotation mark unless it’s a proper noun!” she snapped.
“When breaking up a single sentence with a dialogue tag,” she said, “use commas.”
“This is a single sentence,” she said. “Now, this is a second stand-alone sentence, so there’s no comma after ‘she said.’”
“There’s no dialogue tag after this sentence, so end it with a period rather than a comma.” She frowned, suddenly concerned that the entire post was as unasked for as it was sanctimonious.
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The Making of John Lennon by Francis Kenny (2018) is a biography that is a bit different from most. The author, an academic from Liverpool, attempts to analyse John's personality through the lens of social class and childhood trauma. It's an interesting and worthy endeavour that doesn't quite come off, but includes a lot of insight.
The book has the feel of being self-published, even though it supposedly was released on an imprint. It has a few typos and a lot of errors, as well as repetition that an editor should have tackled. It's still reasonably readable, but the errors and repetition can be annoying.
Kenny looks to John's disrupted childhood as the source for his later anti-social behaviour and emotional problems. In this, he sees Mimi as an entirely negative influence. Drawing on accounts by John's half-sister Julia Baird, Kenny portrays Mimi as a snobbish social climber who acquired Mendips via squatting, and similarly plotted to purloin John from her sister's care so as to complete her ascent into perfect middle-class life. Once she had him, Kenny maintains Mimi kept him isolated, impeding his social development and giving him little affection or care. This led John to retreat into himself and his imagination, and also led to his acting out once he got to school, intent on having control over his gang of boys as a way of compensating for the lack of control at home.
I've always been sceptical that Mimi was the firm but kindly figure she portrayed herself as - even by her own account she can come across as narcissistic, dishonest, manipulative and sometimes very cruel. The actual story by which she came to assume guardianship of John remains mysterious, with Mimi's own version (that she was obliged to due to Julia's unsuitability as a parent) being adopted by most historians and biographers. Kenny provides a valuable counterpoint in highlighting the oddness of the situation, even if his conclusions are no easier to prove than Mimi's.
John's relationship with Mimi was certainly conflicted: he sometimes expressed frustration, privately had rows with her, didn't see her in person for the last nine years of his life, but at the same time remained largely loyal to her version of events (in public, at least). Kenny frames John's internal struggle as being between the view of the world imparted to him by Mimi's class-bound, suspicious prejudice, and the open, rambunctious, friendly world of working-class Liverpool (represented by Teddy Boy fashion and, later, rock 'n' roll), and some of John's conflicted views of people as originating from that struggle.
Kenny also identifies psychological splitting and projection in John's feelings about Julia/Freddie and Mimi. In Kenny's assessment, John eventually accessed the deep pain and anger he felt as a child, but directed it against the wrong target - framing Julia and Freddie as the ones who harmed him and retaining a semi-idealised view of Mimi, when his issues in fact stemmed from Mimi's cruel treatment. It's an interesting perspective that could have something to it. But I think Kenny falls victim to the same kind of psychological splitting that he astutely describes John as suffering under. As Mimi is the villain, thus Julia is the hero. Julia is portrayed in only positive terms, as a warm, encouraging, lively person who only ever wanted good things for John. Freddie is also viewed fairly positively. This is too simplistic. Julia was not a monster or an angel. Accounts describe her displaying inappropriate behaviour towards her son and his friends, perhaps a symptom of her own mental illnesses. As John was in her care during the first five years of his life, it's not unreasonable to speculate that her parenting was less than ideal. Not that that justifies his being taken away from her, but it is context.
Similarly, Mimi being a cartoon villain is unhelpful. I would have liked more context for why she behaved the way she did. There is some Stanley family background, but not enough to get a sense of what kind of environment the sisters grew up in. Meanwhile, Uncle George is identified as another victim of Mimi. Kenny speculates (probably accurately) that George was gay and a covert alcoholic and gambling addict, but he was just respectable enough to be instrumentalised by Mimi in her quest to join the middle classes. Kenny sees him as submitting to her tyranny as a form of cover, but still providing young John with something resembling parental kindness in an atmosphere where it was otherwise absent, a description that broadly jibes with others' observations of George. While insightful in some ways, this assessment of Mimi and George's relationship suffers from the same splitting as Kenny's view of Mimi and Julia, with a clear villain and a benevolent, suffering victim.
Kenny's analysis of social class in Liverpool and its relevance to John's psyche is quite interesting. It's not an angle that's explored often enough. He makes the argument (quite convincingly, I think) that John was always insecure about the fact that he was essentially "pretending" to be working-class, and combined idealisation of working-class Liverpool life with a snobbish contempt for it inherited from Mimi. Much of this was unconscious but it manifested itself in his attitudes to friends and his self-perception as a rocker vs. an artist.
Kenny makes an interesting case that John's attraction to Stuart (and to a lesser extent Cynthia) was part of his unconscious longing to be a sophisticated, middle-class-coded artist/writer. In contrast to that, Kenny posits that John's friendships with Paul and George could only be that of them being his "junior partners" because of their class position and age. Kenny also maintains that John's relationship with Paul only flourished when the latter wasn't trying to compete with John for the "leadership" of the Beatles. He also says that Stuart and Brian were genuine confidantes of John's partly because of their class position being closer to his own, while Paul and George were never proper confidantes in the same way. Later, Kenny sees John's attachment to Yoko as another example of him finding a higher-class "confidante", and also feeling free to lean into his (really Mimi's) upper-class aspirations, in the form of avant-garde art and music, while retaining a love-hate relationship with the earthy delights of rock 'n' roll.
I can see why Kenny would come to these conclusions, and I don't think they're entirely without merit - but they feel incomplete. To support his theory, he has to leave out much primary source information about the development of John and Paul's (and John and George's) relationship over the years. It ignores John and George's bond over LSD, John and Paul's creative collaboration (in favour of just seeing rivalry) and even sees Ringo as somehow dominant over John, which I don't think is borne out by the evidence. The theory gets even more stretched by the time we get to the breakup, as Kenny has to find ways to explain why John stayed in the band so long even though he had seemingly already "defeated" Paul by deciding to leave and go off with Yoko. One explanation given is that John only agreed to record Abbey Road so that Apple/The Beatles would raise enough money to buy controlling shares in Northern Songs! This technically could be true, but I've never heard anything like it before, and the main loss of controlling shares had already happened before recording started on Abbey Road. Kenny provides citations for some claims but not others, so I can't help but assume that the uncited claims are just his opinion, stated as fact (Yet again I come across this exhausting tendency!). Tellingly, Kenny doesn't go into the final breakup being announced by Paul, or the lawsuit, perhaps because they don't align with his theories.
With that said, I can believe that John and Paul's relationship suffered from a lack of straightforward communication. Get Back and "Days We Left Behind" seem to provide support for the sense many fans have gotten that the two tended to communicate in music, code and "bits". That seems to have been a central part of their intimacy, something only they (and to a lesser extent, the other Beatles) shared, but it is also inadequate for communicating about major life changes and relationship challenges, as I speculated in my Hey Bulldog post. I can see a scenario where John was more likely to speak openly about his feelings with people like Stuart, Brian and Yoko, and that that willingness could have been (partially) influenced by unconscious class-bias. Yet I don't think John, consciously or unconsciously, looked down on Paul. Well after the breakup, John spoke in an interview of Paul's intelligence and scholarly potential, even joking that he (John) "ruined his life" by tempting him to a career in rock 'n' roll. Nor do I believe, as Kenny does, that their relationship was primarily one of rivalry and competition. Those aspects certainly existed and were prominent, but it's not the full story.
The book has a glowing foreword by Bill Harry, old friend of the Beatles and publisher of some of John's earliest surreal writings, so we can assume that Harry subscribes to the general thrust of Kenny's argument. Seeing as he knew both of them, Harry could be said to be in a better position to know about John and Paul's relationship than most, but even people who knew the Beatles well have blind spots and make assumptions based on later myth rather than what they actually observed.
I think The Making of John Lennon is worth reading for the interesting and often astute observations Kenny makes about John's early life and the role of social class in his psychological make-up, but care should be taken not to accept all Kenny's assertion as definite fact, as they are his own opinions. It would be helpful if he (like countless others) was willing to tell the reader when he is offering his opinion rather than provable fact.
The book includes a quote I found particularly interesting. Kenny is quoting psychiatrist and author Anthony Storr, who wrote about the therapeutic effects of creative expression:
"[The creative] work may be a much more valid piece of self-expression than what is revealed in action or conversation in 'real life'"
This aligns with my own belief that the emotional truth of both John and Paul's life can be found more easily in their art than in their quoted interviews or the bare details of their lives.
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wow!! that was a great article!! thanks for writing it.
i wondered if you could supply more insight into the quote from paul's bio:
I’d sit and talk to her, and I guess people could tell that it wasn’t worth pulling me. I think you’ve got to give off scents, and respond correctly to certain things, whereas with me it was just flirting.
i thought I was getting better at interpreting him but this leaves me flummoxed. who are the "people" who can tell he's "not worth pulling??" "people" in general, not just April. am I just being dense or is he not fully making sense here?
does he mean he likes flirting with trans people, plural, April being one of them, or something else? (it's ok if you can't explain but I am trying to figure it out and failing...)
Hey! So yeah, this kinda jumps out at me too. I'm not quite sure what Paul means by this, but given the full quote I'm led to two conclusions:
1.) Perhaps because of his level of fame and notoriety, especially at this time during the 1960s, it may not be worth trying to "pull" him (aka, get him in bed).
2.) Still because of reason #1, it might be harder for him to have queer experiences and not worth "pulling".
Now, this was written in the early 90s, so it's possible Paul is fluffing it up a little bit to make it sound vague, essentially to make himself sound less like a slag (lmao). We all know of Paul's exploits in his own accounts and other people's accounts who were close to him during that time, and was known to have multiple girlfriends at once. Paul might have been trying to be like "oh but I wasn't pullable! It wasn't worth pulling such a celebrity like me!" It's sort of his defense mechanism to be like "oh no, not me" but when in reality it's a bit different than that. Think of that one interview during the Wings era where Paul is talking about his romantic encounters before Linda, and then gives a vague answer and asks to clarify and goes "boys" but "IN MY CASE anyways it was girls."
I definitely think he could have meant "people" as in general, rather than a specific group or gender. There are a few instances, like the Wings interview, where he talks in a neutral pronouns about his past experiences, and I'm not one to speculate on Paul's sexuality...but 🤷 He did say he enjoyed being flirted with when April Ashley was flirting with him. So it's not out of the realm of possibility he liked having attention from all genders, just maybe "not worth pulling" or not worth having sex as it might be scandalous since he was such a big star of the era.
Now IF he did (and that's a big if), he probably wouldn't be discussing it. And I also think April Ashley probably wouldn't have said anything about it either. She made some boisterous claims in her life, but I wanted to point out that it could have been rooted in some truth. Either way, it is an interesting aside Paul makes in that quote that makes me wonder if he was truly "worth pulling" after all.
Happy last day of Pride Month, Beatle People! Today, we have a fantastic article written by @monkberryfields about the British trans icon April Ashley, and her association with The Beatles. The article provides an introspective look into her life as well as analyzing how the band interacted with her. Give it a read to end Pride Month off strong!! Check out the link below to read 😁
“I’ve never known two people that love each other so much, and don’t even realize it.” – Eric Clapton
“ I believe Paul missed George as much as — if not more than — anybody.” – Eric clapton
“I got married in 1966 and Paul was my best man. He cancelled his holiday to do it. Then he got drunk and put a bow-and-arrow through the car window. But until then it was great.” – George
“I just know that whatever we’ve been through, there’s always been something there to tie us together” – George
‘The last time I met him, he was very sick and I held his hand for four hours. As I was doing it I was thinking “I’ve never held his hand before, ever. This is not what two Liverpool fellas do, no matter how well you know each other.” I kept thinking, “he’s going to smack me here.” But he didn’t. He just stroked my hand with his thumb and I thought “Ah, this is OK, this is life. It’s tough but it’s lovely. That’s how it is.” I knew George before I knew any of the others and I loved that man. I’m so proud to have known him.” - Paul
“Underneath it all, I believe that Paul sincerely loved George; and at some level George loved Paul as well. ” – Peter Dogett
“George told me once that I smelt like home. I got all paranoid, you know, thinking I smelt of fish and chip shops or dirty bars or something. But he said no, I just always smelt of home.” - Paul
“Paul is very protective of George.” – Bob Smeaton
“George was always known as the quiet one, but he had a wicked sense of humour. He and Paul tricked two fans into thinking that they were really brothers and George signed his name “George McCartney” for them.” - Denise Theophilus
““They used to jump on me. George used to wake me up by tickling my feet.” – Paul
“There was this guy called Ritter who was in our group at school, and George was in the younger group, and I remember we’d been standing around at playground and I’d tried to introduce George to Ritter, introduce him into my peer group. And being a year younger it was kind of difficult. I said, ‘Hey, this is George Harrison. He’s a mate of mine. We get on the same bus together.’ And we’d been sitting around, and George suddenly head-butted this friend of mine.When asked for the reason for the headbutt, George replied: ‘He wasn’t worthy of your friendship.” – Paul
Interviewer: Is matrimony in the immediate future for the two unmarried members of your group? Paul: Matrimony is not in the immediate future. George: Paul won’t have me.
“God, my mate George, isn’t he a good-looking boy!” - Paul
“Thing is, there’s a lot about me and George that the public don’t know about, and I like it better that way. That night was very personal, and very special to me. It’s one of my favourite memories.” – Paul
“I knew George long before the others. We were good chums despite his tender years as it seemed to me then. We were always together.” – Paul McCartney
“It used to be PaulnGeorge… as one word. They were the kids from the grammar school. That’s how we referred to them. For ages we didn’t even know George really, he was just ‘Paul’s mate’.” – Len Garry
“In Liverpool, Paul would come round my house and we’d play in the living room. Paul knocked me out with his singing especially, although I remember him being a little embarrassed to really sing out, seeing as we were stuck right in the middle of my parents place with my whole family walking about. He said he felt funny singing about love and stuff around my dad.” — George
I think we have now grown old enough to realize that we’re both pretty damn cute!” - George
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This global Beatles day, tell us the story of how you got into the Beatles!
Several days late, apologies! Thanks to all who tagged me <3
I said in a post before that "Help!" was a song I always remember knowing, it's like it was part of the universe. I think it was the staggered harmonies, they just embedded myself in my child brain. Aside from that, there wasn't a particular focus on the Beatles when I was growing up. That changed in the mid-1990s when Anthology/Real Love/Free As A Bird came out. My older sister had the first Anthology CD and I remember looking at the collage cover and loving the studio chatter ("Paul's broken a glass, a glass, a glass he's broke today" is wired into me haha).
My sister and I got very into the Beatles then. I remember loving Strawberry Fields Forever and writing "Living is easy with eyes closed" on my school textbooks like an angsty teen lol. I also have a vivid memory of us making the family dog listen to the silent bit before the fadeout of SFF because we'd heard that there was a ultra-high frequency hidden in the audio that humans couldn't hear but dogs would start barking to. (He remained unmoved).
Around the same time I became obsessed with Brian and his relationship with John, so I was interested in an aspect of queer history and the Beatles even then. I read a couple of John biographies but I don't remember which ones.
I stayed liking the band all through college and beyond but they were on the back burner. I remember when George died I thought it wasn't a big deal because he was "old" (SMH). Then was just puttering along for many many years until Get Back came along. I watched it twice and did not pick up on one single thing between J and P lmao! But I really enjoyed it and it got me interested in the music and the drama again. I can't remember when or how I became aware of mclennon, I know it must have been tumblr but I don't know why I was back on tumblr in the first place because I hadn't used it in years. Anyway, when I came across the concept my first thought was utter confusion, as it had literally never occurred to me before. Then I remember having the strangest feeling: It was as though I had just realised something I already knew. That was it for me!
One of the nicest things about getting into the fandom is getting a new and renewed appreciation for this music I've loved for so long. I still adore Strawberry Fields Forever <3