#fandom vent

pjo fandom, I love you, we’ve all been in the “over tagging so it reaches more people” phase

pls

if you’re going to tag a fic as TOA

at least have TOA characters

it doesn’t even have to be Apollo

Meg, Jo, Emmie, Shel, etc

but like

Solangelo has their OWN BOOKS NOW

you don’t have to keep tagging TOA when we’re already a small fandom

I’m honestly less mad and more upset that I can find barely any fics that I’d actually want to read as Apollo is my favorite character :(

meanwhile grace with half his memories gone struggling to figure out who amongst his students and acquaintances and coworkers was Worth Dying For, what drove him to join the hail mary,

A father should:

Protect NOT control. Alastor pretends to protect but is actually controlling Charlie.

Guide without dominating. He gives advice in the form commands and manipulating.

Listen & Respect. Alastor is constantly judging her and finds her misery amusing.

Encourages Independence. Yes, Alastor does encourage independence but it is mostly for his entertainment to watch her fail.

Love Unconditionally. Alastor's love is conditional and manipulative. He values her as like a companion or an experiment. He only praises her when it entertains him. He withdraws and teases her when she disappoints.

Does this look fatherly to you?

Notice how he gets uncomfortably close to Charlie? No, that's not how a Dad should act. At all.

He calls her “dear” or “my dear”, which sounds gentle, but it’s laced with condescension.

He enjoys watching her idealism clash with Hell’s cynicism

He undermines her authority subtly, often doing things for his amusement instead of genuine support.

So while he acts older, wiser, and authoritative around her (which gives off “parental” energy) it’s more like a teacher, puppet master, or mentor with a dark sense of humor. He is not a nurturing father figure.

Rolling around in her bed too as a Dad is insane.

He does not act like a Dad to Charlie at all.

He manipulates her.

Constantly tries to undermine her.

Touchy but not in fatherly way. More flirty like he is with every woman. Yes, he's ace. Ace people can still be attracted to other people or desire romantic connection.

Charlie is older than Alastor by 170 years.

Charlie already HAS a father. She doesn't need another.

Guys, he was only trying to get under Lucifer's skin.

Bro is touching the boobies. Are we deadass?

Quotes:

"Dear, if I wanted to hurt anyone here... (voice becomes distorted) I would have done so already." - Alastor threatens her here which is not very fatherly.

"Welcome to the Hazbin Hotel, a misguided path to redemption! Founded 5 days ago by Lucifer's delusional daughter, Charlotte Morningstar! Come place your fate in her inexperienced hands, as she tries to work through her daddy issues by fixing you!" - This sounds like more of a mocking way of addressing Charlie. He acknowledged she has daddy issues but it alluding to Lucifer. He is aware of who her father is and by no means assists her in trying to promote this Hotel. Instead he acts petty since he is forced to use television which he despises.

“Nonsense! (grabs Charlie and drags her forward) We started the hotel together, and we'll show it off together. Right, Charlie?” - This honestly gives off friend vibes to me.

♫I'm truly honored that we've built such a bond. You're like a child that I wish that I had. I care for you just like a daughter I spawned. It's a little funny, you could almost call me Dad!♫ - This line was an attempt to make Lucifer jealous for whatever reason.

To address the Dad situation. Yes, Alastor was trying to get under Lucifer's skin. Alastor despises anyone that will take Charlie's attention away from him and will pretty much do anything to have control over Charlie. If Vaggie wasn't Charlie's girlfriend, Alastor would have definitely played the boyfriend card to just piss off Lucifer but instead went the Dad route. No, its not about being a Dad. It's about power.

Alastor felt threatened with Lucifer coming along due to his importance in Charlie's life. Vaggie is not much of a threat since Charlie usually doesn't listen to her anyways or really anyone's reasoning apart from Alastor's.

Like are we watching the same show? Alastor is not a Dad to her in any way shape or form and its insane I gotta say that. Yeah, we got the whole Dad Song but his actions say otherwise. Inappropriately touchy.

And the cherry on top?

He TAKES ADVANTAGE OF HER BY STRIKING A DEAL? Still very Dad like? Nope. A real Dad wouldn't manipulate his daughter.

Fuck aaaaaaaall the way off. She tried to kill two different people. While she was Robin. AND THIS WAS NOT OUT OF CHARACTER.

She was not an innocent widdle boo boo who didn't know any better, she was the oldest person who'd ever put on that cape and had been acting as a superhero off and on for at least two, possibly as long as four, years. She'd dropped out of high school to have a baby and never gone back. She tried to murder her own father in her first appearance, then years later responded to his actual (supposed) death by going on a week-long violence bender through the city that nearly got her and Tim both killed.

Stan culture. Because what do you mean you absolutely refuse to interact with any fan work that isn't about your favorite character or ship anymore??? What do you mean that no matter how hard I work on a fic important to me, that if it's about the unpopular ship/character, then it will just... not get any engagement? The fact that we are letting people feel ISOLATED and EXCLUDED because of this is unbelievable

Fans who create sides based on the character/ship they prefer, who attack the CHARACTER of a fan who prefer the "other side". Yall disgust me.

People who can't enjoy the stories themselves anymore, and only focus on the characters. Yeah, we love our blorbos, but the story is just as important? Why does everyone now act as if the story is just an optional thing and the characters are all that matter? Personally if something I wrote was being treated that way I'd be devastated.

In that similar vein, acting as if canon doesn't exist. Like, outside of fanfics. ??? Hello???

And similar to THAT, people who feel they have to FIX canon just because it isn't what they want or it's "not good". Disrespecting the writers and acting like writers of the things you love are all idiots who are all wrong. That irks me so bad.

People taking "death of the author" way too far.

People who feel like they have to fix canon because they feel like they have some moral superiority over the writers, so they're allowed to act high and mighty about their "corrections". I see this a lot in Christian spaces especially (and I am saying this as a Christian who keeps witnessing this firsthand). Do they really think that it's Christ-like to act that way? Why are we expecting stories written by non-Christians to be overtly Christian? But this still applies to non-Christians. Why do you think you're more morally superior? Yeah, go have your fix-it fics, write your fanfics!! But how about stop acting like we're morally better than other people?? Hmm??

similarly, fans who get angry at stories for being too much of something they don't like. Too political. Too Christian (*cough* people about Narnia *cough). Just watch/read something else? People are allowed to make stories as much of something that they want? I thought we're anti-censorship lmao??

Fans who are overly hostile towards a character. "Oh but it's just fiction, they're a FICTIONAL character" you're not acting like it LMAO.

Lack of engagement with fan artists and fan writers in general. Like, you realize they're on the exact same level as any fan, right? We want to engage with the fandom, not sit and watch people just passively consume and move on. The idea of fandom is that we're supposed to engage!! with each other!!! why has that stopped!!

"You need to read/watch/listen to EVERY SINGLE THING related to this to be considered a real fan" no???

"You're late to this thing/didn't get into it at childhood so you aren't a real fan" come on now -_-

Feeling superior for NOT getting into a popular thing, and feeling superior for getting into a niche thing. ????

Forcing the thing you've projected onto a character onto other people.

Getting mad at different interpretations of a story/character from other fans??

Fans who are possessive over their blorbos. Like, really possessive. And also comment gross sexual things all the time. Come on.

Referring to a male character as "she" when they are in fact. a straight MALE CHARACTER (i am looking at you Sam Winchester and Raoul de Chagny fans). WHAT is up with emasculating male characters?!

Fans who can't accept a character is white or straight

Fans who hate straight couples.

Fans who get mad if a female character DARES to want to be a mom or caretaker or does traditionally feminine things.

Being too obsessed with the thing you're a fan of in general. Yeah, yeah, I know, I'm guilty of this. But come on guys. We all now what being overly obsessed with a thing does to us and fandom spaces in general. It's just not fun anymore if it gets to that point, and we all know it.

Like, why were we led to believe the complete destruction and attempted genocide of Elarion and humans was completely justified??

"Oh but dark magic" I don't give a fuck "They hunted the unicorn to extinction" I don't give a fuck. "They poached creatures" I. Don't. Give. A. Fuck.

The kicker is most people in the story, human or otherwise would agree it was justified for the single reason of dark magic bad, When in reality humans were just tired of fucking starving. Elves are just whiny bastards who want to be the top dogs and when they realized it was being challenged they got pissy, When the Dragons realized their Pride and Joy elves were pissy they took it out on the humans.

They kept the lush and fertile lands and kicked humans to the barren lands in a full effort to have them die slowly.

ie ethnic cleansing

Humans are the victims all around in the world of the dragon prince. Elves and archdragons started or kicked off most issues. Vent over I will accept no criticism.