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anyone else feeling rather... annoyed at the way ppl have come to define and use queerplatonic and qprs? So many times I see ppl talk abt qprs saying they're "friendship but Deeper" or "a relationship strictly between friendship and romance" or "essentially romance lite/romance for aromantics" and like. A qpr definitely can be all that if the participants want that, but to say that this is THE definition of queerplatonic is actually going directly against the very goal for which the term was created. Queerplatonic was supposed to give us a word to be able to talk about relationships that don't fit neatly into the "romantic" and "platonic" boxes, whilst also deconstructing the relationship hierarchy and the idea that friendships are fundamentally lesser than romantic relationships. So can we please stop using qprs as a way to once again make friendships seem like a lesser form of relationship and to reinforce the relationship hierarchy? Please?
Afaik the original definition of a qpr was smth along the lines of "a relationship that doesn't fit the traditional boundaries of a friendship". By that definition? A loveless friendship would be a qpr. A "friendship" between two aplatonics would be a qpr. A friendship where they specifically feel less emotionally connected to one another than is expected of a "normal" friendship would be a qpr. Just like how queerness isn't fundamentally about love, queerplatonicism, i.e. queering the platonic, isn't fundamentally about "putting more love" into friendships. It can be, but it doesn't have to be.
standards that are not too high:
- someone who will tell you when they won’t be responding for a while
- someone who will let you know how they feel from the beginning
- someone who you can sit in comfortable silence with
- someone who will make time for you
- someone who isn’t attracted to anyone else when they’re with you
- someone who does little acts of service for you without being asked to
- someone who will resolve issues with you, fighting for you and not against you
- someone who will stick up for you whether you’re in the room or not
- someone who looks at you like you’re their whole world
- plus so much more
you are not asking for too much, and people like this exist.
Clear boundaries and defining needs are an invitation for deeper connection by saying here is how to love me in a way that I feel safe, stable, and respected. ~dd
I never saw people say stuff like this enough when I was a teenager, so I’m saying it now.
I’m in my mid-thirties and I have never had sex. I’ve thought about it and could have had one or two opportunities if I put in more effort, but I always decided against it because I just wasn’t into it at the time.
I can safely say that I do not feel I have missed out on anything. I was perfectly capable, by myself, of learning about my own body and boundaries without anyone else there to muddy the waters. The immense pressure that was there in my teens/twenties to Have Sex Just Do It is basically gone. I’m vibing. I’ve got my routine by myself in bed that I enjoy, and that’s enough for me.
And in the unlikely event that I ever decide to have sex with someone in the future, I don’t feel at all like I’m lacking some essential Knowledge or Skill that would “make it good” for someone else. I fully expect to ask my partner out loud what they like and to receive an answer clearly communicated and to relax and have fun. And if it’s a disappointing experience, I’m fine with that too. It is what it is.
Sex is just not that big of a deal. I suspected it as a teen, and I’m more sure of it now. It’s fine to have it or not have it. It’s whatever.

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"Not dating or having sex isn't even a source of discrimination in real life-" How many rights and benefits are tied up in marriage contracts though? How much of our economic and societal structure is built with the clear expectation that people couple up and support each other? Where's the security nets and affordable options for people who will never have a partner/spouse to take care of them? How many people save serious commitment only for people they have a romantic and sexual relationship with? How many people will unquestionably prioritize their sexual and romantic relationship above all other social connections in their lives? And where does that leave the people who don't want that at all, ever?
demisexuality can be so hard to explain because it’s misconstrued as you just wanting to trust the other person before you have sex with them. and I get why the misconception happens. But demisexuality differs in that there isn’t sexual attraction at all before that bond forms.
I think what people have difficulty with is the idea that there are people out there who aren’t experiencing sexual attraction at all until a certain point, if ever, because we’re taught that sex, libido, and sexual attraction are all the same, both in and out of queer spaces.
And when you’re learning about asexuality and demisexuality, you may learn that people have romantic and aesthetic attraction separately from sexual attraction, and that sexual and romantic attraction aren’t necessarily intertwined, and that may challenge your worldview on sex.
But “I trust you enough to have sex with you” isn’t the same as “I’m not sexually attracted to anyone but you, and the reason I’m sexually attracted to you now after we’ve established this close bond is literally because of the bond of trust we’ve been able to form”.
It’s easy to see how those can get conflated. On the surface, if you’re unfamiliar with asexuality, they may sound the same. But it’s important to acknowledge the difference between “no sex until I trust you” and “no sexual attraction unless I trust you and maybe not even then”.
Demisexuality is housed under the asexuality spectrum. It’s part of the gray area between being allosexual and asexual. It’s part of why the definition for asexuality includes “little to no sexual attraction”. It’s a mostly asexual experience with an asterisk.
While being demisexual may have impacts on a persons sexual activity, even demisexuals have a varied relationship to the act of participating in sex. Libido and sexual attraction are not always intertwined either, which can make telling the difference tricky.
I think of sexual attraction as libido that has a compass. Since I rarely ever experience sexual attraction, but do have libido, it’s noticeable for me when that libido actually has a direction to go, rather than being a floating, nebulous, independent thing.
Remember, not everyone is demisexual. There’s a difference between waiting to have sex and not having sexual attraction at all until a certain point. This also inherently ties demisexuality to romantic attraction and relationships, and not all demisexuals are alloromantic.
But if you read what demisexuality is and think “everyone is like that” or “that’s just being a woman”, you either 1) are demisexual 2) don’t understand what it is or 3) both. And it’s okay to not know. Just as long as you’re willing to try to learn.
I think a lot of people were raised being told that things are bad with no explanation as to why they’re bad and I don’t think I know enough about psychology to make any big statements about that
but anyways I think a lot of people see cheating on your partner as bad because they were just told that sex outside of your partner is bad or something but really cheating on your partner is bad because you had an agreement based on trust with them and you broke that trust so like why should they trust you with anything else now
it's so epic that breakups/shitty dynamics/drama/mistreatment/neglect etc. are all just Stuff That Happens In Life if you're monogamous but if you're not then it's an itemized list of trespasses that the poly community MUST account for
my point is never that polyamory requires no emotional maturity or work, it's that these are things you should be working on no matter what your relationships with others (sexual/romantic or otherwise) look like, but when monogamous people chronically fail to do any of it it's just considered par for the course/human failure/totally normal to be this irrationally controlling/"sometimes things don't work out" etc. and not Proof That Monogamy Just Doesn't Work In Real Life
cianna i just got my heart shattered into a million pieces unexpectedly by someone i was with for 2.5 years and was committed to, apparently their feelings changed over the course of a month and they’re not serious about me anymore 😭 ik this is like, sort of lesbian overcommitted bullshit and you seem to have a very careful slow approach to relationships but you talk about attachment a lot and learning to let go of people, i’m struggling not to blame myself for being imperfect even though i did my best and they weren’t willing to talk about things with me or put in the work, i still feel like if i could just convince them this is crazy they won’t leave me. do u have any advice for letting go and not blaming myself or trying to fix it.
Omg I don’t think it’s lesbian overcommitted bullshit at all… literally everyone has felt this way. I think the first and primary answer is radical acceptance. You have to accept that they probably grieved the relationship far before they got the courage to tell you they’re ready to move on, and you also have to accept that you don’t need to be a perfect saint and they a villain for your hurt feelings to be valid. You probably weren’t perfect - none of us are. I don’t know the exact context of the relationship, so I can’t tell you who was “wrong” and who was “right,” but what I can say is very few of us are perfect in any given context, and from the sounds of it you really did try your best to communicate and bridge that gap. You can’t force someone to love you. All trying will do is cause them to be resentful/feel controlled. Sometimes it’s because they don’t wanna put in the effort, other times it’s because of an irreconcilable difference, still other times their feelings simply changed course over time and no one can do anything about that. You have to radically accept that it’s their right to decide that this relationship is no longer for them. You also have to radically accept your feelings and accept that you will naturally be incredibly hurt by this. But forcing someone to see your side and love you again will do nothing but widen the distance. It’s not fair to them and it’s not even fair to you. I’ve felt this so many times and I feel like the key really is just allowing myself to grieve, then radically accepting that things may always change and that I can’t force anyone to stay just because their presence in my life brings me comfort. I’m a person who deserves love that’s not forced, and they’re a person who deserves to not be forced into loving me.

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i do think we should normalise being like. platonically enamoured with someone. perhaps i love and admire you dearly and there's nothing romantic about it
As an aplatonic person, one of the most frustrating aspects of amatonormativity for me is that there is a normalized, consent-based social script for navigating the commitment and intensity of a romantic relationship, and there is no equivalent for platonic relationships.
For romantic relationships we have:
Casual dating, where you're expected to be getting to know one another and it's understood that the relationship could end at any time.
Formal dating/"Going steady", where you've acknowledge that you have a bond that you are interested in pursuing and you want to spend significant time with one another.
Engagement, where you're actively working to enmesh your lives completely, and are expected to be interested in one another as people and supportive to one another through serious difficulties.
Marriage/partnering, where you have formally intertwined your lives and have an expectation that this will be a permanent, continuous relationship based on mutual interest and mutual caretaking.
And every time you want to "go up a level" in a romantic relationship, the expectation is that you actively ask the other person, and get their consent. There is (ideally) no confusion about what the other person expects from you in terms of commitment and intensity of your relationship.
Friendships don't have that.
Which means that instead of a consent-based checkpoint for going up "levels" of friendship, you just have to try to figure out where you stand based on vibes. And there's no way to tell if there's a mismatch of expectation until someone makes a mis-step.
And there's no socially appropriate/expected way to navigate friendship rejection either.
It's totally normal in a romantic relationship to say "I'm not interested in/ready for that kind of commitment" but when you have to handle a friendship the same way, the person being rejected is often scandalized because they had no clue you had a mismatch, and they have no socially appropriate way of expressing the grief of a friendship rejection.
I hate that romantic relationships are put on this pedastal and socially regarded as worth formalizing with consent, whereas everything about friendship has to be based on vibes and intuition.
Reading a book about the psychology of friendship (that, oh by the way, taps the ace and trans communities in its discussion not as clinical categories but by including anecdotes from people in those communities!!) and somehow it encouraged me to quadruple down on saying:
We literally do not have enough friendships. Our culture's obsession with romance over friendship is shockingly new (1850's on) and it is having a serious impact on our health across the board, specifically men. This problem has become sharply exacerbated in the last 20 years.
We need more friendships. We need more friendship in media. "But what if they kissed?" What if they didn't, and the love that was there mattered anyway??? Take my hand. Imagine this with me. A relationship unbound by law or expectation. People who choose one another again and again. To stay in each other's lives when there are no societal tethers holding them together.
Go read Platonic by Marisa G. Franco (PhD).
Some core principles I've been thinking about lately:
There are no ontologically evil people
People generally want to believe they are doing good
Under enough stress, anyone will act irrationally
When someone does something terrible, first try to look back and see "how did we get here"
i read somewhere that a breakup is like a funeral for a relationship and that really transformed my thinking. a relationship is a living breathing thing and there is something to be said for intentional, thoughtful and caring transitions or ends. you can learn a lot about the quality of a relationship by looking at how it closed out
thinking about when my grandfather died and before i went into his room to see him my mum told me this was a really special time. a breakup can also be a really special time if you honour the life of the relationship right.

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Hey there, do you think you could expand on the "apologizing for your actions is not the same as apologizing for your feelings" post? I'm a bit confused by it, but I'd love to learn more! Thank you in advance if you do, it means a lot!
Hi anon!
Of course. What I mean is that feelings and actions are two different things.
For example, imagine your friend cancels plans because they got sick. You might feel disappointed, hurt, lonely, or even abandoned. Those feelings are real and valid. You don't need to apologize for having them.
However, if you lash out at your friend, guilt trip them, or send a series of angry messages, those behaviours may deserve an apology even though your feelings were genuine.
I'd also like to look at a different example because sometimes the other person actually did do something wrong.
Imagine your partner lies to you. Feeling hurt, angry, betrayed, or devastated makes sense. In this situation, there is a real problem that needs to be addressed.
But if you respond by screaming, calling them names, threatening them, or trying to hurt them back, those actions may still deserve an apology.
The important thing to remember is that apologizing for your reaction is not the same thing as apologizing for your feelings. Your feelings were still real, and especially in this case, they still deserve being addressed.
Sometimes both things can be true at once. Your partner may need to take accountability for lying. You may need to take accountability for how you reacted. One person's accountability does not erase the other's.
I think a lot of people accidentally turn accountability into an all-or-nothing situation where whoever behaved worse in the moment becomes "the problem." (And honestly, it's a matter of perspective. Both people may think the other behaved worse but the reality is both behaviours should be addressed.) Relationships are much more complicated than that.
You can have a valid reason for being hurt and still owe someone an apology for how you handled that hurt. You can also apologize for your behaviour without dismissing your feelings.
Oof, I went off on a tangent because it triggered a lot of other ideas in my brain, but I hope overall this makes sense!
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