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ok so, I approached my local library with a proposal to donate a mural as a way to A: build portfolio/gain practical experience and B: give back to a beloved public institution. The director was very enthusiastic about it and i've been working on it since the beginning of March. Come with me as I endeavor to paint what is in all honesty an excessive amount of birds
I wanted the birds to look like they were actually in the space so first thing after doing the draft was to do a lighting study
after that I covered the walls in letters in lieu of a projector/vr headset bc i have neither of those :) Then i take a picture of the section of wall and superimpose the lineart over top of it so I can pencil in the lines
et voila
and that was a whole week on it's own so next comes the paintin' >:)
and now, the birds
Birds 1 and 2/14: Red Winged Blackbird, Male and female, Agelaius phoeniceus
Bird 3/14, American Robin, Turdus migratorius
hoo boy, ok *out of breath*
GIVE IT UP FOR BIRD NUMBUH 5, THE CANADIAN GOOSE, Branta canadensis!!!!
this guy took me about 4 days to completely finish, all of those freakingk coverts were a bear to render
speaking of obnoxious coverts:
bird 5/14, Bluejay, Cyanocitta cristata
the friggin stripes almost got me chat, i may not make it
Madam....
birds 6 and 7: American Goldfinch, Spinus tristis, male and female
pleasantly simple to paint! next is the flickerrrrr
*melts into goo*
BIRD NUMBER 8, (yellow shafted) NORTHERN FLICKERRRRR, Colaptes auratus
genuinely made me start questioning my sanity around day 3, it's half the size the of the goose, WHY did it take me 4 days to finish??
nothing but pain and suffering, i'm sure hope the next bird will be much easier and with FAR less barring :)
in other news, I am losing my mind hairline
SHE'S DONE!!
Bird number 9: Red-tailed hawk, Buteo jamaicensis
my chains are broken i am FREE. although i did have a great deal of fun with this, the barring on the wings itself took me like four days and i am READY to move on
this was a week and a half of continuous work so please excuse me for getting a little emotional in the bg š
*does a little jig*
BIRD NUMBER 10!!! The Male Mallard Duck, Anas platyrhynchos
the male and female ones are gonna be posted separately bc they're taking a lot longer lol but yea! super happy i was able to capture the iridescent green of the head, i found metallic green and blue paint at a craft store that really made his head POP. it looks better in person i promise
ALSO!! As this is the 10th one, BIG announcement. The end is in sight!!!!! I plan to finish within the next 3 weeks and there will be a small dedication ceremony/ unveiling happening at the library to commemorate its completion on the 16th of May. If you live in the Western New York region and want to check it out for yourself shoot me a dm!
Also thank you everyone for your kind words and support throughout this whole process, it's been a genuine treat thinking there are potentially thousands of you out there cheering me on while I paint this š„¹
aaaand another one bites the duck,
we're movin right along with bird numero 11!! The lady Mallard!! Anas platyrhyncos
the 16th is looming in the distance so i'm trying to get thru these as quickly as i can so i can have as much time for the GBH as possible. i still need to do the names next to all of them so i've got about a week and a half to finish everything which is GREAT because i have adhd and nothing gets my ass in gear like a fuckin deadline, let me tell you
power couple that they are, here's bird number 12 and 13,
the Northern Cardinals, Cardinalis cardinalis
and NOW that they are complete, ITS GO TIME, in the next five days (library's closed for mother's day šš) i need to have the GBH fully rendered, the names of the birds vectored, weeded, masked, applied to the wall, and then painted, plus additional cattails throughout. I may be able to get away with just getting the GBH done in time for the unveiling and then just have the names and cattails added later, but i'm gonna really try to get it all done in time. BUT, i have a plan. Part of why i take so long on these is because i really am just figuring it out as I do it lmao. there have been many a time where i am sitting on top of the ladder googling "how to paint birds" but I think if i take the time tomorro to do all that figuring out how to approach it beforehand, this will go a lot faster. I may also recruit some of my artist friends to help with the placing of the names... hrmm we'll see.
Anyways, shout out to the librarian who tracked down exactly the thing i needed so i could figure out where to place the highlights in my birds eyes, ur the real mvp
thanks for the reminder, kid
at long last, we've reached the end...
Bird number 14 out of 14,
The Great blue heron, Ardea herodius
thank you to everyone who reached out or got excited about this project, it genuinely gave me the fuel i needed to keep going. In total, the 480+ total hrs it took me to cover this wall pales in comparison to how long its expected to spend on there, hopefully imparting a sense of beauty and love for the natural world to the next generation and here's hoping i'm only getting started with these.
i'll see y'all soon :')
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Fantastic advice!! And something Iāve realized Iāve been doing for myself these last 6-7 years, even though I never had a name for it.
Seriously, this is such a great way to go about organizing your home.
I really canāt express how much easier your life can be when you accept that thereās no objectively right way to do this kind of stuff, especially when you let go of the idea that itās a moral failure when you canāt do something the ācorrect wayā nor is it evidence of you being lazy.
Working with (leaning into) your natural limits and instincts can do wonders for you in your day-to-day life.
My housemate's cat came into my room while my dictation was on...
For whatever reasons, which are far beyond my ability to research or understand, the concept of ānonbinaryā continually slides off the brain of my eldest child (Bear, 9) and they keep having to be reminded it of it. The word simply carries no associations or permanence, which is hilarious because two children they see fairly often are nonbinary and use they/them pronouns; Max, the uncle/aunt of their close friend, and Dorset, a child they go swimming with. Bear sees these kids at least once a week.
And then Bear regularly goes āWHATS NONBINARYā
And weāre like āLIKE š DORSET š BEAR. LOCK THE FUCK INā
And every time Bear goes, USING THE RIGHT PRONOUNS, in a tone of receiving information they have never heard before, āTHEYRE NONBINARY?ā
This reminds me...
Many years ago, my oldest, R, now age 10, came home from a playdate and asked "who was the other lady at [friend]'s house?"
Well, buddy, that's his mom.
No, R insisted, because he knew [friend]'s mom.
Well, buddy, [friend] has two moms.
R's mind was blown. That's possible? A person can have two moms? Since when???
... well, buddy, at least since your own two moms decided to have kids. You. You also have two moms. Didn't realize it needed further explanation that other kids can also have two moms.
I have three partners who all cohabitate and we have a daughter together. I cannot tell you the number of times when she was little when she'd have the shocking revelation of "Wait, you LOVE Dad??" or "You and Mom are DATING??" Like yeah bud. We have all very obviously been together for most of your life and have been very upfront about that lmao "You and M are MARRIED?!?" Kid you were there! You watched the ceremony!!
SHRIEK this is EXACTLY what itās LIKE
I should say that Iām a personally a big believer in young humans working out their early experimentation on āwhat makes a likeable personā on their siblings - within reason - and that the youngest sibling in question was perfectly fine, and appears to have been designed by the universe to be punted š¤£

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Canon divergent AU where Shane is a little more paranoid and when Hayden first comments on "Boston Lily", he decides he has to do something to break up the pattern and make it not so noticeable that he's got someone on Boston.
Not seeing Rozanov is not an option, so instead Shane picks out a few other cities to regularly go out by himself in. He'll go for a long walk, maybe sit down somewhere for a drink, and then catch a taxi back to the hotel an appropriate amount of time later. It's honestly pretty nice, unwinding by himself in this way, and now disappearing after games is not a thing specific to Boston! It's just another strange Hollander quirk!
Unfortunately, he fails to account for the guys on the team jumping on the most obvious explanation for all these disappearances, which is that Shane now has a girl in every port.
Word about this starts to spread quick, because it is so out of character for Shane, and pretty soon half the league is under the impression that he's some secret playboy.
Ilya is extremely not chill about this rumor.
@scunthotter
help šš ilya's playing 4d chess to keep his man to himself and meanwhile shane's like "it's so nice having ilya with me on my little walks š„°"
idea iām rotating in my head: instead of the classic āreverse-sexist warrior woman from matriarchal societyā bit, a character who totally isnāt a reverse-sexist, not at all, sis!
Sorry, i know some fellas get all offended by that but I just use āsisā in like. a gender-neutral way, you know, itās how i was raised. But nah iām a modern 24th century woman, I donāt buy any of that āif it donāt bleed it donāt leadā shit. I think boys - sorry, men - can be just as good at all that stuff as women.
*approaches a group of people, instinctively assumes a woman is in charge and is corrected.* āOhhh, yeah, ok. Hey, good for you. Hashtag Yes He Can.ā
lines that didnāt make the above post (largely this character quoting things her grandmother would say that she totes does not agree with):
āItās unnatural! Men donāt bleed regularly, which as everyone knows makes them squeamish about blood in general and their own in particular. So how are they going to handle it on the battlefield?ā
āIf they were strong enough to fight theyād be strong enough to carry babies.ā
āLook, itās great that some boys want to āhave it all.ā But if all the boys want to be warriors, whoāll carry the firewood, and cook, and mend our clothes?ā
āGod, donāt be such a fragile little ballsack.
ā¦sorry! was that a microaggression?ā
Adult Shane still not always being sure whether he's having an allergic reaction or a panic attack... like breathing bad, limbs tingly, feels like he's dying... but is he actually
i have a very special scenario in my head of shane who is used to feeling like this and finding a quiet place to assess what tf is happening to him rn so he can decide if cold water on his face or hospital.
(not even considering the fact that hiding away while potentially having a life-threatening allergic response is an AWFUL move).
and i am especially endeared by the idea of it going from him going off and doing this by himself to ilya clocking him leaving the room in a way that says Not Okay and following him and the two of them in just a quiet little pocket of space together, with shane having already handed over his auvi-q (the version of an epipen that fits in a suit pocket) just in case.
just very sweet to imagine that this is still scary and frustrating to have to deal with and tbh? still feels a little embarassing even if he knows it shouldn't, but it is also nice that there's someone with him who just Gets It and who will sit quietly with him until he can decide what's happening and help him if he needs it.
OH MAN in vegas, ilya canonically was freaking out ahead of time in anticipation of seeing shane again, so i posit that he was denying that he was freaking the fuck out and was trying to lie to himself and say it was just low blood sugar, so he grabbed something from craft services backstage.
and it's fucking. peanut butter crackers.
and he chews some mint gum in another attempt to settle himself so shane doesn't end up smelling it on him, but him kissing shane in the vegas bathroom then means contact with it, and shane's reaction wasn't from exposure earlier, bUT IT IS NOW.
THIRD OPTION: EXTREMELY UNFORTUNATE TIME TO PURSUE FINGER SUCKING AFTER ILYA WAS PICKING AT THINGS DURING THE WAIT FOR SHANE TO SHOW UP AT THE PENTHOUSE BUT ALSO DRINKING VODKA SO SHANE DOESN'T SMELL IT ON HIS BREATH
STILL NO KISSING DURING THE PENTHOUSE FUCKING, BUT THANKS TO THE POWER OF ALLERGENS ON THE FINGERS SHANE SO HAPPILY TAKES INTO HIS MOUTH, THESE MOTHERFUCKERS NOW GET TO EXPERIENCE DOMDROP, SUBDROP, AND ANAPHYLAXIS ALL AT THE SAME TIME
GOD the panic and angst of shane trying to communicate what's happening and get ilya to grab his epipen out of his inner jacket pocket (assuming he even has it on him by some fucking miracle) and ilya at first thinking this is just a bad panic attack because that's the only guess he would have based on past experience with shane, and he's trying to do the same move of kissing him to calm him down, but shane already can't breathe right and also doesn't know WHAT the contaminant was so doesn't want to risk more contact
but now ilya thinks it was him being too rough or missing a signal that shane wanted to stop and being HORRIFIED at the idea and immediately backing away, but shane reaches for him both because he is experiencing impending doom as an element of the reaction and also REALLY needs ilya to get his epipen for him and him trying to back across the room is NOT HELPFUL FOR THAT GET BACK HERE
god AND!!! ilya can't ghost him after!!! he straight up experienced hollander almost dying in front of him so 1. needs to know what the FUCK that was 2. needs to know the next day when hollander is stable and okay again because otherwise he isn't going to be able to fucking FUNCTION 3. can't help but keep in touch after that more often than he might otherwise because that scared the FUCK out of him, and while yes, it would be easier to just call it right now before anything else happens, he also can't resist the little check-ins now and then during that summer
OH MY GOD I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE WAS THE ONE WHO FOUND HIS MOM
AND THE FACT THAT THIS IS PROBABLY SO EXTREMELY ON HIS MIND GIVEN HOW CLOSE HE IS TO GOING BACK FOR THE SUMMER AND THE MEMORIES THAT WOULD HAVE ALREADY DREDGED UP
jesus, we really put these two in the Bad Blender and hit PUREE
oh my god WAIT
ilya who remembers when the responders who came to the house took his mother away, and he never saw her again, and it's totally irrational, but he manages to get shane's epipen and help shane use it, and then he helps shane get dressed so he can get to a more neutral area before he calls for an ambulance, and he's SUPPOSED to leave. he's going to leave. it's just going to cause some uncomfortable ass questions if he doesn't leave and has to come up with a story about why he was with hollander and why he's with him now and why he still hasn't let go of him even though he has him back in his room now.
and yet.
again: IRRATIONAL. he KNOWS it's irrational. but there's a part of him that's still thinking, "if i let them take hollander away right now, then i will never see him again." because he's BEEN HERE before. and it doesn't make sense, but trauma and fear NEVER do.
so ilya ends up going with him.
and listen. shane atp?? nauseous, still can't fully breathe right, still not fully present. in his right mind, he'd be sending ilya the FUCK away because embarassing and also doesn't want questions. but in this moment?? can't feel anything but relief when he climbs in the ambulance with him to ride along because he's at least someone familiar in the middle of all of this.
and then at the hospital, they get shane stable and ilya should go. he should totally go. he knows he should go.
and yet he doesn't. he's already here. there's already going to be questions. it's a little bit reckless and a little bit fuck it, but the damage is already done. might as well stick around until he can be sure that shane is actually okay. it's not like he's going to sleep tonight after this because jesus FUCK.
and texts keep coming through on shane's phone, but shane is sleeping, and ilya keeps seeing "Mom" and "Dad" pop up over and over and over because obviously the hospital contacted them. and ilya KNOWS he shouldn't answer. but shane can't do it right now, and there's parents worrying about him, and won't it just stress him out if he wakes up to thirty phonecalls-
and on call number thirteen from Mom, he picks the phone up and answers.
and yeah yuna is confused as FUCK why ILYA FUCKING ROZANOV is answering her son's phone after she got a call that shane had been admitted to a hospital because of an allergic reaction, but she also doesn't have a lot of other fucking options for getting updates on her baby, so fine. talking to this cocky ass kid it is.
except...he doesn't sound cocky? he actually sounds...almost sweet? he's answering questions as best he can and even tries to read some stuff in the notes the doctor left guided by what yuna tells him to look for. and she's on her way to the airport right now to get there and asks ilya to tell shane that she'll be there as fast as she can because he hates being in the hospital by himself, and in a moment of TOTAL fucking impulse ilya says he'll wait.
and he does.
the first time yuna and ilya meet face to face outside of that first elevator scene is when yuna finds him by her son's bed in the hospital keeping him company so he wouldn't have to be alone.
and maybe he's not such an ass after all.
yuna hollander is going to unknowingly begin shifting the hollanov rivalry narrative years early because that ilya rozanov doesn't seem so bad after all, and her shane deserves another friend. so! fuck the league and the media and the fans!! she's going to make it happen!!! she is going to encourage shane to build this friendship, and she is going to ask after how ilya rozanov is doing during her calls with shane, and she is going to get them an ad campaign together to repay ilya!
of course, she doesn't know what she's enabling by doing this. but she does notice that shane seems a lot more happy to do ad campaigns when paired up with a friend, and oh, isn't that nice? maybe she can make this happen more often. and it'll help the boys to become closer friends, too! (yuna, they have literally been as close to each other as physically possible. the emotional closeness, howeverāthat's a still a work in progress, but these additional chances to see each other are helping an awful lot) (and of course, shane's... other friends.... like that young man, pike... well. there just aren't as many sponsorships available with someone like him, someone who is not as high profile as her shane. rozanov is the obvious choice, here. obviously!)
oh MAN selling the narrative of work hard play hard with them as friends. like yeah they're RUTHLESS to each other on the ice and anyone watching them play can see that, and they still pick at each other in interviews and make jokes at the other's expense, but there's also an element of "boys being boys" to it that isn't quiiiiite there in canon. like it's fun to watch them! they're having fun playing against each other. they still tease each other and the audience has watched them slam each other against the boards enough to know they're not holding back even if they ARE friends, but the narrative is shifted juuuuust enough that it's also not strange to see them at a bar together after.
i canNOT remember their names, but i saw a video of two hockey captains who have an ongoing bit of doing rock, paper, scissors with each other after games to see who loses and has to get off the ice first, and i feel like that's the shit shane and ilya would be pulling in this situation. like they are still SO fucking competitive with each other and anyone can see that.
but they're also the kind of competitive that has people taking surreptitious video clips of them chirping the FUCK out of each other while playing pool at a bar after a game together.
(and what happens after they leave that bar, well...that still stays between the two of them)
also the way the tuna meltdown just. straight up could not happen in this verse lmao.
they're already using first names. if The Vegasing wasn't enough, ilya gets invited to go get dinner with shane and yuna after their commercial shoot together (because yuna was already going to invite him, but now that she has a different frame of view for him, it registers for her that he's always done these shoots and events on his own, and the idea of him going back to a hotel room by himself (lmao yuna) while she and her child go get food together is sad), and yuna has already decided ilya is Same Age As My Child Shaped before he's anything else so 0 chance she isn't first naming him now, and if his mom is already doing it...well...shane might as well.
motherfucker i text with your mom and we have a shoot together in two weeks. even if you leave now i will see you literally in 14 days and we will be spending literal hours together. and i will probably be texting your mom in the meantime. you might as well stay, like???
also the idea in this scenario of yuna and david getting to see their son have a friend (lmao) who knows about his allergies and is so accommodating and aware of them
(really man got speedrun through Worst Case Scenario vis a vis allergies and is a little scarred but shhh it's fiiiine)
like maybe it becomes a Thing that ilya will get dinner with them when they've travelled to see a game shane is playing against ilya (not knowing at all that this very sweet inclusiveness IS cutting into their fucking each other's brains out time), and I'm just š„ŗ imagining them watching ilya for the first time leaning over to look at some tiny ass print on a menu about allergens for shane because he didn't bring his glasses and the restaurant is dark (picked for privacy), which is NOT helping
yuna and david who had to deal with tiny shane wanting to leave parties early while trying SO hard not to cry because someone made fun of the food he had to bring because he couldn't eat with everyone else who is now playfully squabbling with someone over "what, you are too good for pizza? pizza is your friend, hollander. look at her label." while holding a phone flashlight up to squint at menus with him. someone who treats this as normal and just part of life. because it is.
OH MY GOD
ilya and shane end up having their "what are we?" talk because yuna and david are trying to save shane from heartbreak by gently and casually asking who ilya is seeing because they heard so and so was pictured with him but haha that boy does have a reputation. god love him, but he really does love to sow his wild oats.
and shane does get a lil jelly because it comes up over and over and ends up just mentioning it to ilya the next time they see each other because ilya could tell he was upset and atp they do know each other pretty well
and they end up having a "what, you want me to not sleep with other people?" "do you not want to sleep with other people?" playing chicken standoff until one of them folds and now the cards are on the table and tbh?? they see each other not infrequently, and they already hang out at places together and it's not world shattering news if they're seen getting dinner together because the friendship narrative is already so established. so yeah. let's do it.
so now they're boyfriends and thus shane is even MORE noticeably heart eyes around ilya and yuna and david are even more desperately trying to thread the needle of lovingly saying that ilya is a wonderful man but too bad about being straight and a slut-
OH NO THEY HAVE A JOKE ABOUT BEING BROS
like they get a lot of coverage as friends, so the joke is like. them fist bumping after sex because yeah. just bros being bros.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY this means that shane (who wanted to come out before dropping the "I'm dating ilya" element) calls ilya, puts him on speaker, goes, "ilya, are we dating?" and ilya goes, "what?? no, of course not. we are just bros, hollander. don't make it weird."
AND SHANE IS JUST !!! ILYA!!! PLEASE!!! THIS IS THE EXACT WRONG TIME FOR THIS EXACT FUCKING BIT!!!!
no more historic events this decade that is ENOUGH, iām putting my foot down
History is not done with us yet my friend
I have received all manner of threat, up to and beyond āI will play a flute carved from your femur,ā and yet this is the first time Iāve felt truly threatened
i knew posting this in 2022 was risky but holy fucking shit
The Heated Rivalry Graphic Archive
Have you ever needed a gif or image from that scene that comes across your dashboard all the time but of course the one time you need it you canāt find it? Have you ever wished you could effortlessly find different gifs of the same scene, because whatās better than one gif of Shane spreading his legs on the bed? Dozens of them! Have you ever wanted to find a bunch of new gif and image edit makers to follow?
Welcome to The Heated Rivalry Graphic Archive! A place for you to find gifs, image edits or good quality screencaps of this beautiful show.
Each reblogged post will be tagged with an episode tag and a scene tag. The tag for the episodes will always have the #HR 1.01 format and the episode tag will add the number of the scene (e.g.: #HR 1.01-1).
You can find the full list of scenes below with their respective tag and link to it. If you donāt want to scroll too much, Iāll link here posts with the scene list for each episode separately: S01E1 | S01E2 | Ā S01E3 | S01E4 | S01E5 | S01E6
As you scroll this archive, remember to reblog to support this fandomās awesome visual content creators!
so, i am starting this blog to reblog and tag gifsets and images from the with specific scenes so it can be used for people to find them more easily (totally prompted by me constantly never finding that awesome gif i reblogged w/o tagging appropriately) š
i haven't started to reblog yet because i'd like to share this first in case anyone has any suggestion on how to improve this system

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idea iām rotating in my head: instead of the classic āreverse-sexist warrior woman from matriarchal societyā bit, a character who totally isnāt a reverse-sexist, not at all, sis!
Sorry, i know some fellas get all offended by that but I just use āsisā in like. a gender-neutral way, you know, itās how i was raised. But nah iām a modern 24th century woman, I donāt buy any of that āif it donāt bleed it donāt leadā shit. I think boys - sorry, men - can be just as good at all that stuff as women.
*approaches a group of people, instinctively assumes a woman is in charge and is corrected.* āOhhh, yeah, ok. Hey, good for you. Hashtag Yes He Can.ā
lines that didnāt make the above post (largely this character quoting things her grandmother would say that she totes does not agree with):
āItās unnatural! Men donāt bleed regularly, which as everyone knows makes them squeamish about blood in general and their own in particular. So how are they going to handle it on the battlefield?ā
āIf they were strong enough to fight theyād be strong enough to carry babies.ā
āLook, itās great that some boys want to āhave it all.ā But if all the boys want to be warriors, whoāll carry the firewood, and cook, and mend our clothes?ā
āGod, donāt be such a fragile little ballsack.
ā¦sorry! was that a microaggression?ā
Are lace-makers ever struck by the realisation that all the holes were already there before they started?
Fanciest lace I've ever made, just need to fill in the edges.
Due to the craftsmanship shown in this picture, the emperor has requested that you make all of his clothes out of that exact lace.
In horrid biphobic news, I just got my gorgeous beautiful wonderful book on fabric dyeing with fungi in the middle of fucking February, when all outside is a frozen waste with nary a living plant or mushroom to be seen.
Woe is me. I want to go root around in the woods after mushrooms like a bog witch and see if I can find the ones that make wool go pretty colors.
SIGHING WISTFULLY OUT THE WINDOW AT THE FROZEN GROUND
All those colors are possible with mushrooms?! How permanent does the book say they are? Do you need any chemicals to set them properly?
I'm looking at that color palette in awe
Yes!!! All these colors are from mushrooms! She specifically only includes those with good wash and light fastness in this book. All use mordants to fix the dyes, or mostly anyway. Iron, alum, copper, or tin.
The book is BRILLIANT and also covers making the pigments into lake pigments with alum, and then using them with gum arabic to make watercolor paints. I'm not a painter so that's of less interest to me than the dyes, but for other folks it might be very helpful.
WAIT YOU SPECIFICALLY GET BACK HERE THIS IS SO FASCINATING I NEED MORE
Foreigners tend to assume that the big cultural confusions between Australians and most other countries are gonna be based on our food, or social services, or weather, or weird animals. But itās never that. In my experience, the real cultural confusions re: Australians are about The Respect Thing almost one hundred per cent of the time.
? I realize im proving your point but what
The broader Australian culture doesnāt, as a whole, have status-based respect. Some individual groups might, because theyāve brought it from other cultures theyāre involved in, but the general culture doesnāt. Thereās no sense that your boss or scout leader or the guy in charge of your country deserves more respect than you, or that you should behave differently to them than you would to any random person you know similarly well. (The very rare exceptions include ritualised settings, such as courtrooms, and for some reason the fact that children useĀ āMiss/Ms/Mrā honourifics for teachers at school.)Ā
I donāt mean Australians are aĀ āstick it to the man, fight back against those in powerā kind of people ā weāre generally not. And I donāt mean we have aĀ āweāre going to do the status thing but pretend we donāt and pretend to all be equal in mixed companyā thing that middle-class Americans do. I mean the status-respect system does not exist, and if you try to use it, it weirds people the fuck out at best, and insults them at worst. Treating someone most countries would say isĀ āaboveā you differently in Australia is basically telling that person that you hate them; itās sayingĀ āIām forced to interact with you due to our current circumstances but I donāt see you as a person and wonāt grant you the basic respect of treating you like an equalā. (When I was in America, I was constantly suppressing the instinct that random service people were sassing me because they overuse honourifics and were so keen to help me.)
This makes interacting with foreigners really baffling in a lot of circumstances. In university, my international friends would often describe Australians asĀ āfriendly, but very rudeā. They thought we were all arseholes because of the way we spoke to our PhD supervisors and soforth, and wouldnāt believe us when we explained that our behaviour was respectful and that being deferential would be weird and awkward and insulting to them. Learning Japanese had a similar problem; everyone in the class could get the concept of different levels of formality and deference in language, ans was happy to memorise the usage of various words for Japanese people, but using them on each other was super weird, and weād only ever use the most casual form of anything unless specifically instructed otherwise by the teacher.
The reason Iāve been thinking of this lately is because Iāve recently become aware that a lot of countries have like⦠a special respect for their countryās leaders? I donāt just meanĀ āyeah, that guy makes the rulesā, but that having that office makes them better than everyone else, somehow. Which I expect from countries with royal families, because Tradition, but Iāve recently found that Americans feel this way about their President, too. (Except the current one, who seems to be enough of a dick to break the system.) Like, if six Americans were in an aeroplane that was going down and there was only one parachute and one of the Americans was A Generic Non-Trump President, itās just assumed that that guy gets the parachute? Like heās automatically the life worth saving over the others, and theyād just give up their chance in favour of him? And thatās so weird to me. An Australian prime minister would have a 1 in 6 chance at the parachute; however the people decided,Ā āthis guy happens to be the leader of the countryā wouldnāt be a factor.Ā
When Americans donāt like a President, they usually feel the need to work in how heāsĀ ānot my presidentā, either through sheer denial, or by finding some way heās theoretically illegitimate (different ways votes are counted, wild conspiracy theories about birth country, etc.), and while making sure those rules are obeyed IS extremely important, Iāve recently noticed that part of the motivation seems to be that theyāre invested in whether heās Really The President because being the President somehow makes someone Special rather than just a normal dick whoās been put in charge of the group project. (You see the same thing inĀ āTHIS IS TRUMPāS AMERICA!ā, like him becoming President gives him superpowers or something).
This is getting off-topic. Point is, in Australia you can run into the Prime Minister and ask him to help you fix your phone and if heās not busy but refused to help you out heād be kind of a dick; of course he should help you out. And if I walk into your restaurant and you act like Iām a movie star and youāre going to be super attentive to my every need because Iām The Customer, Iām gonna get creeped out. Weāre suspicious and insulted by what most people in the world consider to be basic manners, and vice versa. And it makes interacting with foreigners super weird because I always feel like theyāve got some invisible heirarchical flowchart in the back of their minds that I donāt.
I have long noticed that Americans have absolutely the same cultural attitude to the President as they would to a serving monarchy. They just think they donāt on a technicality.
Can confirm that if I call someone āSir/Madamā I generally mean āassholeā (unless talking to an animal or tiny child) and that if I get called Maāam I feel like Iām being called the asshole, which made time in Atlanta, Georgia suoer weird.
Australians have a very good attitude to respect
ā¦so this explains why I have spent the last fourteen years low-grade pissed off at nearly every Australian I meet, because every time I try to be American Polite at them it pisses them off. And, for that matter, why my second boss here, the one I was so careful to be Formally Respectful of and always called āsir,ā took such an intense dislike to me.
Yeah, even if that boss understood that you were American and what that meant, their instincts wouldāve been screaming at them the whole time that you were being a dick. Itās a difficult thing for us to get used to even when we know the culture is differentā.
As a Brit visiting Australia, the most vivid experience I had of this is: in the UK itās really uncool to get into the passenger seat of a cab - youāre expected to get in the back. In Australia the reverse was apparently true.
⦠I am only just now realising that inAmerican and British movies and stuff, people donāt get in the passenger seat of a taxi.
covid update: youāre now meant to get in the back seat for social distancing and IT FEELS SO RUDE. sorry taxi person I AM NOT TRYING TO SHUN YOu just I know there are rules and weāre protecting each other. letās be intensely awkward for a while.
Reblogging this because I just remembered the time Molly Meldrum absolutely horrified Prince Charles by describing meeting the Queen as āI saw your mum last weekā.
One of my favorite travel books described humanity as, broadly speaking, having two types of culture: one where formal is respectful and informal is rude, and vice versa. Australian culture sees formality as hostile or unfriendly and familiarity as warmth. Itās decidedly not the case in USA as a whole, though as with any broad category the dichotomy changes as the group gets smaller.
YOU PUT THE THING INTO WORDS!
Different cultures are fascinating.
Look thereās honestly a lot of history that build our culture today to be like this. We never really had a true aristocracy or class system in Australia and was still considered the dirty colonies up until federation in 1901. Even when we had the gold rush in the 19th century there were rich people but also anyone could dig up a nugget and get rich so no one really bothered with the rich = better than you thing because old johnno down the road who normally is on the piss all day and lives in a swag just picked up a 2lb piece of gold thatās worth thousands of dollars so now he can go buy his own pub and sell his own beer but everyone will still think of him as that guy who was always cracking bad jokes at the end of the bar and drinking a minimum of 8 beers a day. Sure we have rich people but we also pull them back down to earth when they get hoity toity. Australia is one of the most unionised countries in the world and yeah its true we dont get upset by much but when we do, all hell breaks loose. Look up some of Australiaās biggest protests and union movements like the convict rebellions, Eureka stockade, the campaign for the 8 hour day, and he general history of our Australian Labor Party. Australia was the second country in the world to grant womenās suffrage. So many unions and strikes and demands we made in Australia demanding equal and fair rights to working class in the 19th century that by federation in 1901 we were ahead of the world with workers rights and equality. Really the only class system we had was the employer employee divide but we still never bowed down and took it from them just because they boss. Iām not going to go into what happened in the 20th century but if youāre interested definitely look up post war Australia, the womenās working unions in the middle of the century, definitely look up the late Bob Hawke and his legacy, the nurseās strike in Victoria in the 80s, the land rights movement and Eddie Mabo, and go from there.
I remember in school we were always taught to treat others how you wanted to be treated. You were no better or worse than anyone else. You want to be treated equal to everyone else and that meant being polite and showing decency and helping each other out. Itās true we only use titles for teachers or elders (indigenous Australians use āAuntyā and āUncleā as a show of respect to their elders) but outside of that if someone calls you Miss y/n or sir or whatever itās just uncomfortable. In hospitality and retail some of us will still use sir/ma'am mainly because we donāt know customers names but even then thatās rare and usually applied only to elderly. We personally donāt want to be addressed by titles or even surnames (unless itās a nickname which Iāll get to) so we donāt use the titles or surnames for other people. With surnames often we use them as a nickname if we dont/canāt shorten their names. Getting a nickname (a good one, not one that is intentionally meant to bully you ofc. E.g. ScoMo is the nickname for our PM but heās a piece of shit and ScoMo sounds a lot like Scum-mo) is the biggest show of respect in Australia. Usually itās simply just adding a vowel or changing it up a little. I.e. John = johnno, Darren = Dazza, etc. If we canāt do it to your first name we do it to your last name. If we canāt do it to your last name itās either a feature or behaviour and we put it in a good light. You ever notice that Australians like to make fun of each other and āinsultā each other? Thereās a very subtle difference when itās truly meant to be insulting but thatās our way of being affectionate for each other. We will point out your flaws and make fun of you (and stop if you say no) and we will give you a nickname and itās all in good humour. Itās one of the things I find foreigners get really upset about because they dont understand why we are so rude to each other. You build up a hard skin in this country and forget hat sometimes that stuff IS a bit insulting.
Itās a very backwards system of respect but it is a very honest one. No one is better than you. No one is worse than you. We are all humans.
We treat our acquaintances like friends and our friends like family. Teasing your friends is expected the same way it is for siblings. If you act like someone is above you, in a not-joking way, thatās basically declaring that you donāt see them as potential friend materialāthat something about them repels you and you want as many barriers between you as possible.
It would hurt my dad so badly if I ever called him āsir.ā
Yep, and the automatic assumption that you think Iām an idiot/bitch if Iām called ma'am. The only time it has ever happened and I havenāt taken offence has been brand new army recruits/cadets, who are required to use it while in public to show deference to civilians.
I legit take less offense from being referred to as a pigdog cunt than I do being called ma'am. Getting a sweary character reference or having a friend call you a mad cbomb is totally fine in Aus. Ma'am is not something I associate with respect, being included as part of the group, or acceptance in any way - itās pointing out rather emphatically that you are āotherā
This is interesting as hell as an American raised in an Active Duty environment. As a kid I called everyone Maāam or Sir and I wonder how jarring that child would be in Australia
Whenever I watch an American show and a kid calls their parents āsirā and/or 'ma'amā I immediately assume that the intention is to clue the audience in on the fact that that child is being very severely abused. Addressing an elderly neighbour or something like that would be seen as charmingly respectful from a kid, but doing it to all adults would set off alarm bells in the heads of any Australian adult who wasnāt familiar with your past. Theyād get it once they learned you were raised around American soldiers though, and expect you to grow out of it.
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