what are your thoughts on andrew cheating in fic? and also treating neil really shitty in said fics and neil basically letting andrew walk all over him and then forgive him so easily
Hi,
I think I’ve written about this before but probably in a very small section of one of my much longer 8-post analysis, haha. I’ll go more into detail about my thoughts below the cut.
Anyway! I hate it. I don’t read cheating (or breaking up & making up) in Fanfic or regular novels. It’s not the kind of conflict I’m interested in. Obviously, some people do enjoy it. I don’t really understand (but I’ve always leaned more in the direction of Codependency as my guilty-pleasure trope) so I don’t think it’s for me to understand, which is fine. I’ll read about toxic relationships, unhealthy dynamics, codependency, ‘we tried to kill each other at one point’, but I like my couples romantically loyal & committed.
I don’t fully understand people who would want to see their favourite couples cheat on each other (which isn’t to say I don’t like enemies-to-lovers or conflict in romances. However, I usually prefer when the conflict is rooted in moral disagreements or outside forces, not in… cheating). This is also the case even in regard to M/M romances where one of the members in the main couple is cheating on their girlfriend for each other… it just seems so unnecessary.
For Fanfic, as long as it’s tagged properly you should be able to avoid it. I know sometimes Fanfic isn’t tagged properly and that can occasionally become tiresome. [I think I’ve mentioned this before, guys, but “No Archive Warnings Apply” and “Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings” are two very different things. Someone should also include Andrew Minyard/Original Male Character(s) or Andrew/Roland if that is happening ON-PAGE. Obviously not if it’s just “and Andrew hooked up with Roland in the past” but if you are writing on-page Andrew/Roland or Andrew some random OMC that needs to be tagged]. I know some writers are afraid to use tags they think will deter readers, but you gotta be honest, guys. Fanfic etiquette is a two-way street: readers should avoid Fanfic that is obviously tagged with tropes they don’t like reading & writers need to properly tag their Fanfic so you’re (a) reaching the right audience and (b) not annoying the wrong audience.
Personally, I also struggle with Fic that is tagged Post-Canon that actually has the characterization and conflicts of early TKM. For example: Neil thinking that Andrew thinks they’re nothing or Andrew still saying they’re nothing even though the last page of TKM is Andrew & Neil confirming their relationship as not being nothing, or the fact that Andrew has already broken his deal with Aaron and Neil KNOWS Andrew broke his deal with Aaron for him and Andrew even has the comment about how he should “know better to do this again.” I find this tiresome b/c instead of reading someone’s interpretation of the progression of Andrew/Neil, it’s just… what Nora already solved in AFTG. And it would be fine if someone wanted to take a different approach than what Nora did, but unfortunately I think mishaps like these come from people having misunderstood canon without realizing it & then tag their Fics as “Canon Compliant” when it’s not.
I’m also kind of annoyed that Fanon!Andrew who frequently hooked up with random men at Eden’s Twilight is basically taken as Canon by so many people. Nora has said that prior to Neil, Andrew experimented with a few boys in juvie, and then Roland. Andrew was basically in an exclusive (on his end, at least who knows about Roland) FWB with Roland. This makes sense when Andrew’s trauma is taken into consideration & the fact that prior to Neil, Andrew could not stomach being touched by someone else. Nora has also described Andrew hooking up with Roland as “controlled make-outs” that Roland eventually ended up hand-cuffed for. There was also no penetration. Like, y’all Andrew’s history of CSA & SA needs to be taken into consideration more seriously than just a passing mention. It needs to be embedded into his actual characterization. Is someone with a history of CSA & SA going to risk being overpowered in an ALLEYWAY (the same Alleyway his cousin was attacked in for being gay) by a man he doesn’t know?
Now, my only actual gripe with “Andrew cheating” or “Andrew treating Neil like garbage” is bringing that Fanon energy into Canon. People who read AFTG and then genuinely argue that Canon!Andrew would mistreat/abuse Neil. Or people who like “Andrew breaks up with Neil b/c he doesn’t like/want to be attached” that completely misconstrues his Canon characterization but ppl then act like is fact. Andrew is actually extremely attachment-prone (codependency pact with his brother that doesn’t allow either of them to leave or have other friends, how he keeps even NICKY who he doesn’t have a deal with on a short leash & searches for him if he’s left the dorm for too long, viewing the only therapist who he ever clicks with as a pseudo-mother, his willingness to be tortured for Kevin even though he doesn’t really believe Kevin will fulfill his end of the deal, and the fact that when Neil tries to break his deal with Andrew b/c Kevin doesn’t need him to to stay anymore, Andrew says ‘I’ll find something else’). Andrew knows Neil is the runaway between them & he’s not going to do something to break Neil’s faith in him. Canonically, Neil’s faith in Andrew’s protection post-“Happy Birthday Jr.” Is what inspired Andrew to try harder during that Exy game, b/c he saw Neil as being unafraid of the obvious threat as trust in Andrew’s willingness to protect him.
The problem I find often with “Break Up & Make Up” (and why I don’t really read it) is that the breaking up is basically for relationship angst, and then at the end the couple makes up and they get back together and… the relationship is exactly how it was before the break up. Nothing has changed. It basically makes everything narratively pointless. Andrew cheating on, hurting, or breaking up with Neil would be such a break in Neil’s trust for him (the trust that results in someone demisexual like Neil being ATTRACTED to Andrew, that gives Neil the courage to stay, the reason ‘Neil Abram Josten’ is real, that the idea that Andrew could do all of that and Neil would just… view him the same as he does throughout Canon, as Andrew being his pillar of strength is nonsensical. That Fanon!Andrew is not Canon!Andrew and doesn’t deserve Canon!Neil’s devotion. Get him outta here).
Andrew post-Baltimore has also already acknowledged to himself that losing Neil would destroy him. He strangles Kevin. He gets himself handcuffed to Wymack trying to fight the FBI. Pre-Baltimore Andrew was afraid of acknowledging the extent of his feelings towards Neil b/c that would make them real but Post-Balitmore Andrew knows that’s pointless now: it doesn’t matter if he acknowledges his feelings or not, they are there, and if something happens to Neil they will come exploding out of him regardless of how much ‘control’ he convinced himself he had. Andrew was denying his attachment to Neil not b/c he wants to ‘keep his options open’ (like I said in the past, somepeople read Andrew as their fuckboy ex who doesn’t want to ‘do labels’ so he could try to bang your bestie… that’s not Andrew, y’all.) AFTG tells us that Andrew is aware that he is attachment-prone (Cass & the self-harm scars, Aaron & almost killing himself to kill Tilda) and that if he lets himself commit to Neil fully, this will be IT for him. He will be insane about his commitment to Neil. Neil leaving or Neil dying will be akin to a bullet to the head. It’s not “what if another really pretty boy flirts with me :( and I won’t be able to sleep with him :( can’t let Neil be the old ball and chain.” No, y’all! It’s “once I accept that Neil is everything to me I will strangle my friend who I have pointedly hurt everyone else for punching. I will run across a stadium with my collarbone broken and try to strangle a woman to death on TELEVISION.” That is the Andrew that has Neil’s devotion!
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“his greed sickens me” except it’s neil revealing yet another interesting and attractive fact about himself while andrew is still in the trenches, trying to deny the fact that he is so insanely attracted to this lying little runaway. every day becoming more and more in utter disbelief at how hot he finds neil and also finding it more and more inconvenient and annoying on all accounts. in this essay I will—
Every morning, I put on my thinking cap and my smartiepants. Unfortunately, there is no shirt that properly proclaims my intellectual abilities, so I have to go tits out
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I lured redwing602 into reading the entirety of the beautiful long fic that is May Death Never Stop You by @slexenskee. We could not resist but make fanart of Sixwings!! They are so cute! I drew Gojo, Redwing drew Hawks, we shaded together.
A huge round of applause to Slex for making gojo and hawks completely believable as a ship. I'm afraid I'm fixated on gojo <---- (I am someone who has never watched jjk. May this be a testament to Slex's power.)
Believable ship 😂 hahaha did I ever mention I shipped them together originally as a crackship because they’re voiced by the same VA in JPN?? But anyway LOOK AT THESE GORGEOUS BABIES!! The shading is delicious 😭 and I love love love that Hawks actually doesn’t have his wings in this haha it feels like validation bc I have so many scenes where he doesn’t have them for various reasons and in my head I sometimes can’t even picture it?? But here he is just like I imagined ❤️
People will tag fucking anything related to Greece as mythology. They'll literally see pictures of pillars and be like "#Greek Mythology" malaka I promise the pillars are from real life
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for everyone in the notes lamenting that this guy is poisonous: they are not! they're just pretty :) since they're a glass frog, their major defense mechanism is being translucent and hiding their blood while they sleep so they look extra translucent and blend in with leaves <3
so i hauve covid rn and i must say, American cold medicine is the absolute bees knees. You go to a UK pharmacy and they tenderly press like eight (8) paracetamol into the palm of your hand... God FORBID you're sick in France, i had to scour every pharmacy in Paris for something that wasn't HOMEOPATHIC PASTILLES. meanwhile last night i took the last of my stash of Nyquil that expired in 2019 and it was like getting hit by a fucking baseball bat (affectionate). press X to timeskip. LOVE me a cheeky little medically induced coma. you can really feel that it's a precursor to meth. i know that everything is fucking awful over there my friedns and my heart goes out to every one of you but if you need one small bright light of national pride in this time of strife please know that i envy you your cold medicine every day
i once took an american antihistamine pill just a basic one for seasonal allergies and i had to immediately lay down and while doing so i vividly hallucinated that i was a steerage passenger on the titanic resigned to my death as my cabin filled up rapidly with water. then i blacked out and when i woke up again my allergies were gone for the entire season.
to be honest i think ilya razzes scott hunter even more after he comes out and it’s mostly a joke but some of it comes from a very real place of ohhhh my godddd this other orphan is suchhhh a chicken pussy about being gay and he isn’t even under threat of being disappeared forever to the gulag
scott hunter voice Living my authentic truth was really frightening. for a long time i couldn’t even imagine it. But then i realized… the only thing holding me back… was me
ilya rozanov, six months after scott hunter comes out and getting sort of tired of this whole huge ordeal: Wow. cannot believe they have not given you, what do they call this. medal of bravery.
shane voice You’re such a fucking liar rozanov you thought it was brave.
ilya voice Yes this was before i knew he had no real problems in his life i thought perhaps he also had an evil brother who is “not” mob police threatening him with glock each christmas but it turns out this is not the case. He was scared of brooklyn art gallery
jk I probably won't remember to come back tomorrow (today? it's 330 am) so you get the unpolished version
ok so I was gone a lil bit longer than intended
..got sick Again in Jan for 3 weeks, getting a little tired of this
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..QUINNESOTAAAAAAAAAAA
..have bought a truly horrifying amount of books in the last couple months. I am excited about so many of them. hopefully I will eventually read them. at the rate I've been reading it'll only take me like………. 75 years. going to create a 2026 reading list with assigned weekly books, see if having a rigid list solves anything.
..I wish I could talk more about TBC, there are so many parts I want to share.
.."how long is wretchedly long???" well last time I checked we were at 135K and there's probably 50k left to go unless I trim it down any. (unlikely. joy of being self-published is no one can tell me to stfu.) so far we've been pretty even-stevens on POV breakdowns. picking POVs is sometimes the hardest part of writing this set. example a: the chapter I've spent the last four weeks on has changed POVs 6 times. I've rewritten it so many times it has its own "cuts" file separate from the main one.
..the news is horrific! evil people keep winning! keeping faith in humanity is getting a bit difficult these days, but if we give up on ourselves & each other then what else do we have to carry us through
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