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“don’t take it personally” how would you like me to take it then? professionally? romantically? academically?

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i fully get that spuffys don’t vibe with spike getting his soul back because the soul lore is just so damn irritating and it reflects the show’s very juvinile and boring black and white morality but i’m sorry i love that shit so much that’s peakkkkk romance to me. spike loved buffy so much he killed himself/the worst parts of himself for her. and then he actively hid this information from her cause he didn’t want her to feel like she owed him anything and he just wanted to be there for her in any way she needed. buffy’s first relationship seeded the belief that loving her and being loved by her changes that person for the worst and every following relationship reinforced that belief. now she’s face to face with in the flesh proof that she doesn’t ruin people, that someone’s love for her would motivate them to change for the better in a way that no one even considered possible. many have said this but no one is doing it like spuffy.
in hindsight, growing up as an aromantic person who didn't know aromanticism was a thing...it woulda been really easy for me to assume that something was wrong with me, that I was "broken" or "missing" some piece of humanity.
luckily I was autistic, oblivious, and had a huge ego. it literally never occurred to me to frame it as a "me" problem. i just thought every single person i knew was a dumbass
the whole “he knows she could kill him and he still acts like a fool in love” yeah true but also could she?
buffy spends seasons juggling the idea of ever actually staking spike
she says she’s going to kill him so many times in the show that at some point it just stops meaning anything; physically of course she can but mentally? no
nah, she can’t kill that bleached hair annoying face super hot leather covered pale bastard
and why? “you know why” oh buffy but do tell

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going feral thinking about how in the episode In the Harsh Light of the Day when Buffy goes to take the Gem of Amara off Spike's finger he says "Take it off me this way, we both burn" and then the very last Spuffy moment on camera was their fingers entwined and burning
Spike is suchhhh a girl dad, Buffy should get him pregnant
People be like "I can't ship Spuffy! I can't look past SA!" ←usually meaner than this
Me, "You don't have you, it's understandable if you don't. Also Spuffy does the work and they choose to see past it and that's okay too."
The people, "I can't believe you just said it's really good for victims to always forgive their rapists" ←usually will include a death or rape threat.
Me, "I literally didn't say that."
Do they need a third? Asking for a friend
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the thing i really wish to see is
- buffy's reaction to angel having a son
- spike's reaction to angel having a son
also probably giles's reaction as well because vampires! having a baby! is truly incredible thing

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every time i watch some piece of media about how abused children need to put in the work to understand their poor put upon parents i think about the scene in the asoue netflix show where klaus is told his shitty boss had a terrible childhood and says "i'm having a very terrible childhood right now". like damn gottem pack it up we can stop doing this narrative in film and literature now
There is already a lot of fanfic about it, but I am genuinely so curious about what happened between Dead Things and Older and Far Away.
Because Buffy’s birthday can’t have been the first time Buffy and Spike saw each other after she beat him to a pulp in the alley, right? They’re just all cutesy and bantery and pretending like that never happened despite his big black eye? Or maybe it is?
He does crash the party and brings Clem as emotional support, the only slight indication that he is feeling vulnerable (that and the fact that he keeps his coat on at all times and has all of his jewellery on aka various items that make up his armour)
Did she go to check on him or apologise at all? Or is it just full denial and he of course forgives her no matter what? I wish we knew!
Ask and you shall receive! What are your thoughts on Spike's arc in S7 from crazy man in the cellar (yes, this is a Jane Eyre reference) to final sacrifice (scape goat motive to Buffy's sacraficial lamb)?
THANK YOU FOR THIS QUESTIONNN!!!
One of the biggest reasons I feel very conflicted about S7 is because of Spike's character arc. How can I ever hate his character arc? In my opinion from my first watch, it couldn't have gone better. I was actually so dejected after the "Seeing Red" episode in s6 and was really confused on how they could redeem a character like him. I know that a lot of people still don't forgive Spike which I would say is valid. I can understand anyone who hates him for what he did because he DID do a really bad thing. But I don't hate him and here's why.
I usually immediately get an ick with a character if they try to sexually assault someone (Hyena Xander doesn't count imo because he was possessed and I choose to believe that Xander wouldn't do something like that.) because I have such great fear when it comes to SA. I have lost interest in so many characters in different movies/tv shows because of this but Spike was the only one who redeemed himself because he had something that the other characters didn't. He had guilt and the urge to make it right. I have not met a SINGLE person nor character who felt bad for what they did and did something to help the victim instead of outright denying it. Spike was the first Vampire, to my knowledge, to have gone and sought his soul just so he could never harm Buffy.
Now that we've gotten why exactly I root for Spike out of the way, We can get to the real question. I really loved the idea of having The First fuck with his head while he's actively recovering from getting his soul back. I've already talked about what the episode Beneath You means to me so I don't want to get too much into it but I loved the detail of Spike not wanting Buffy to know about his soul because he knows that it would lead to her forgiving him which he thought he didn't deserve.
Spike going from the Vamp that Buffy despised the most to the man that she trusted more than her core group of friends was a surprising yet believable plot twist for me. I knew that she would end up trusting him but seeking comfort with him while her friends actively criticise her was a great thing to see. I feel like the writers had the idea of making Spike "the sacrificial lamb" in the last episode while they first started working on the season because it felt like everything that happened this season led to it. I don't know how to explain it properly but it just felt like this storyline was all they were working on and they just built the rest around it, which would honestly explain a lot.
When I watched it for the first time I was not thinking or analysing what it meant for Spike to be the worthy vamp, I was simply excited for him but how was it for people who went in with no knowledge that Spike was going to die? Because I knew that he was going to die but also it was pretty obvious if you look into it. The final battle starts in the morning, sunlight is deathly for Spike but let's just say that he somehow got in....what about getting out? They closed off all the sewer tunnels. How was he to get out in full scorching sun? From Buffy's reaction, we know that the characters had no idea that Spike might be killed in the process of the final fight....Idk what they were thinking but this was plaguing my thoughts forever....Like I know that he's not getting out of it alive but a way for him to get out would be nice...?
please lemme know if I missed something because my thoughts are very scrambled and there's a high chance I might have missed something. There is the change in Spuffy relationship dynamic change that I want to talk about so lemme know if you want that<3
Alright! Let's address some things!
1. Nobody knew exactly what the amulet would do. They probably thought Spike would be okay underground under the school until nightfall since a vamp is either dust (through decapitation, fire, sunlight or staking) or able to recover with some (lots of) blood. There was no plan for Spike because nobody thought they'd need one. Like, Giles asked at the end what closed the hellmouth. Nobody knew.
2. Scapegoat and sacraficial lamb. I love the religious history of this, therefore I will tell you about it. Basically in early Judaism/ proto Judaism there was the practice of the Scapegoat, two goats were picked, one was slaughtered to appease god, the other got the sins of the people strapped onto it and then it was chased out into the wilderness. Yes, the story of Abraham references this when Abraham is told to kill one of his sons and the other is chased away. In Christian lore Jesus stopped the practice of the Scapegoat since he became the willing sacrifice, allowing absolution without the need to chase away another being. Jesus is the sacrificial lamb. And this makes a fascinating parallel to Buffy and Spike. Buffy was the sacrificial lamb since season 1, she went and accepted, even anticipated, her own death. It is (in part coincidentally) when Buffy becomes close with Spike that she starts seeing herself as more than an acceptable sacrifice, moves on from her S5 believe of being a living weapon by S7 she becomes the Scapegoat, when her plans go wrong she is chased away. Spike starts his redemption journey (S3-S7) as the Scapegoat. Anything goes wrong? Spike's fault. This comes out stongest in S6 where he lets Buffy harm him (Dead Things) because he believes that that's his place in her world, the one to carry the sins, the one to be excluded and chased away. S7 though? Others may treat him like the Scapegoat but Buffy doesn't and that's what matters most to him (which i hate and adore in equal measure). End of S7 he becomes the willing sacrifice, nobody asks him to wear the amulet. He is the one who asks Buffy for it. If you haven't noticed yet, they have opposing arcs in relation to (self) sacrifice and I love that.
3. Spoilers for Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles, but the Vampire Armand canonically spent years in the catacombs and got crazy because of the trauma he suffered as a fledge and through isolation. I think early S7 Spike is inspired by him. And he's based on the trope from Jane Eyre "Madwoman in the attic" which, yeah, was just reversed in both cases to "mad vampire man in the cellar". The important part is, the trope is about agency stripping, like the first strips Spike of his autonomy. Also the trope hints at gothic horror and represents a dark secret, for Spike the secret is the soul, for Buffy the secret is her love for and trust in Spike.
the thing that i think some people get wrong about buffy summers is that... she is a deeply flawed character! every time i see someone posting about how "she can do no wrong" or "she's never done anything wrong in her life ever!" i die a little inside because yes! she is wrong sometimes! She can be be cruel and self-centered and self-absorbed at times and
that's what makes her a good character! she's so much more interesting because she has flaws! If she was perfect she would be boring! She is kind of a messed up individual and that's why she's so interesting to me! I want to see her be wrong and messy and human and complex and complicated!
Buffy Summers deeply flawed woman i love you
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I hate it when people act like Buffy is a saint and Spike is evil. So here’s my yap about Bangel and Spuffy and Buffy.
Angel defends Faith, who took Buffy’s body and slept with Riley (or offered to sleep with him, claiming he can do whatever he wants to her etc), while Buffy was not ready to forgive Faith and I don’t blame her for that, eventually she does forgive Faith for the sake of saving the world which too bites her in the ass. Angel also stalks teenage Buffy… Then, dates her, mind you he was an adult when turned… Dating a 16 year old (if i remember correctly she’s 16 in s1, but Angel stalks her before that). Then his moment of true happiness is sleeping with Buffy, he loses his soul and no longer loves Buffy, instead his goal is torment her like he did to Drusilla once.
Your character doesn't need to be likeable. They need to be legible. The reader needs to understand every decision they make even when it's wrong, even when it's ugly, even when they want to shake them. Likeable is easy and forgettable. Legible is what makes someone stay with you for years. Make the logic of every bad choice visible. The reader doesn't have to agree with it. They just have to follow it.