hello and welcome to my cnovel/cdrama (mostly mdzs/untamed) sideblog! this is a villain apologist zone, I am Jin Guangyao obsessed, but in general I am fond of most characters and there will be very little hate here. every character is my terrible fave
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The first rule of fandom is have fun. The second rule of fandom is find an enabler and become an enabler. Yes you should write that fic. What if it was even hornier? What if it was angstier? What if you wrote it just for me?
I decided that this would be titled “Rulan” rather than “Jin Ling”, with the thought that the setting of the painting, somewhere in Koi Tower, is one where people are more likely to call him Jin Rulan. I also considered titling it “(New) Sect Leader Jin” but I thought that would be confusing, and “Rulan” better parallels the original painting title.
Initial sketch is here!
Do you know how hard it is to find a reference for Fairy? I liked the fluffy slightly dopey (for a husky) looking version in the live action drama, only turned up two blurry dog images in my searches (everything else was a winged humanoid fairy), so went looking on Pexel for “red husky” to try and get some better reference so she didn’t look too whack. Here are a few!
LXC doesn't think selfcest is incest because he already has a brother who looks like him and this is way different from that. JGY does think selfcest is incest because he's kind of really vigilant about the whole thing these days
Also because LXC considers his role in his family to be kind of explicitly defined by the fact that he's not replaceable and JGY's role in his family is constantly threatened with replacement or supercession and so as such LXC recognizes his alternate self as fundamentally foreign to the family structure (no one in his family is like him) and JGY recognizes his alternate self as fundamentally analogous (multiple members of his family that are kind of Him But Different, there but for the grace of his mom goes he)
i can see why people want to gloss over it i do get it but i think the conditional aspect is a necessary part of what's so compelling to me about xiyao and dare i say it's what compelling about xiyao to xiyao. they're both people who care about performing and enacting and embodying goodness and the fact that somebody who would leave if they were not good wants to have this relationship with them is an enduring confirmation that they're doing it right. their relationship constantly reiterates to them that they are the people that they want to be, that they're seen the way they want to be seen. i think this is especially potent for jgy for obvious reasons. that lxc likes him proves that he is, if not good, something so like it that even a judge like lxc can't tell the difference
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I feel pretty strongly about Nie Huaisang remaining a genuinely shitty cultivator and fighter his whole life. he's very smart and good at many things! these things will never include jock shit
Au where Su She doesn't get kicked out of the Cloud Recesses
Ooh, good one! Let’s go mostly with show canon here.
1) so I think overall, changes to Su She’s fate just... wouldn’t affect any other members of the cast very much. And isn’t that the ultimate tragedy of his life? That he’s inherently interchangeable? He wants to be a Jin Guangyao or Wei Wuxian, someone who drastically alters the story just with his mere presence, but... he’s not and he never will be. There’s nothing about him that’s special. JGY cares about him, a lot I think, but not because of anything to do with Su She as a person. JGY just wants to be loved, and in an AU where they never met, he’d find someone else with class insecurity to manipulate into adoring him. Maybe without the Moling Su, he wouldn’t be able to use evil magic to depower everyone at the second Burial Mounds Seige, but he’s a resourceful guy, he’d have come up with something else.
You could argue that if Su She hadn’t given up the secret of the Cold Cave, the Wens wouldn’t have gotten their hands on LWJ and the Yin Iron, and Wei Wuxian would have either died in the turtle cave or escaped without the sword of eeeevil, but. Come on. The Wens really wanted that Iron, they weren’t going away, and there were loads of dead disciples and their headbands lying around. They would have figured it out eventually.
If Su Minshan never founds the Moling Su, that does make a difference to the people who joined his sect, who he taught even though they weren’t talented or wealthy. But being important to them wasn’t enough for him.
2) if Su She doesn’t give up the secret because he makes it to the cave on time, LWJ still leaves the cave and gives himself up so his uncle and the others will be spared. Su She is left with Lan Qiren in the smoking ruins of Cloud Recesses. I’m not clear on exactly what happened after that- I assume the Wens left some soldiers there and occupied it for much of the rest of the war, and that they allowed LQR and the surviving disciples to leave, since they meet up with Wangji and Xichen later?
3) anyway: Su She fights in the war, and hates it, and ends up with even more fun trauma. He survives, and as a veteran of the Sunshot Campaign he gets a bit more respect. But he doesn’t do anything outstandingly heroic, doesn’t make his name, and he resents how much glory the Twin Jades accumulate. How they seem untouched by all the death and horror.
4) After the war, Jin Guangyao visits Cloud Recesses to assist with the repairs. Su She has heard of the lowborn hero of Nightless City, and finds some way to meet him, maybe serving him or showing him around, and he takes the opportunity to express his admiration. Jin Guangyao is nice and respectful to him, because Jin Guangyao is nice and respectful to everyone, and maybe it leads to something more, but... I think probably not. Without that moment of seeing Su She disrespected the way JGY was often disrespected, JGY has no empathetic connection. And I think Su She in this universe, despite his secret resentments, is not disillusioned with the Lan. They never left him to die, so that initial loyalty of his that we see in canon the first time he is asked for the secret of the cave, that’s never broken. He still holds onto a hope of getting respect.
5) He’s still there at the Burial Mounds to get rhetorically murdered by Lan Wangji, he’s just in the Lan party this time instead of the Jin one. Since he’s with the Lans, he’d get first crack at pocketing some of Wei Wuxian’s notes, before Jin Guangyao gets there, so maybe he does stumble into demonic cultivation in this timeline, but I’m not sure what he’d do with it?
+bonus 6) After the events of the final episode, Su She becomes a secret Jin Guangyao truther. Obviously it was all a frame up to replace the Chief Cultivator with a supporter of the status quo.
sorry for vagueposting i just don't feel like arguing nd sorry for banging on the same drum all the time but if nmj saw jgy as his equal he wouldn't have pushed him down the stairs and called him the son of a whore. not even just in a psychological sense i just believe that if that was what we were meant to take from the book that scene would not have been included
i think there is a mutual fantasy of equality just as there is with xiyao but the difference imo is that with nieyao that fantasy is destroyed pretty early on and most of the relationship we see is something of an explicit mutual struggle for dominance which xiyao for its own reasons avoids fully becoming
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"Please, forgive the interruption, Jin gongzi," said Zewu-jun, smiling politely, "but if your conversation isn't urgent, there is something I would like to discuss with Su... Minshan."
The pause was probably not detectable to anyone who hadn't spent significant time dealing with the Lan. But Su Minshan caught it. Was it that her former sect leader didn't remember her courtesy name, didn't think she was worth the courtesy but didn't want to be rude in front of a peer, or that she had settled on the courtesy name to avoid having to recognize Su Minshan as a peer and sect leader in her own right? Typical Lan condescension no matter which one. Su Minshan didn't have time to decide whether dealing with the withering contempt and hatred of the person she had looked up to for so long was better or worse than dealing with Jin Zixun's direct insults and posturing. Jin Zixun looked between the two of them, his permanent sneer giving his face an ugly cast. Clearly he hadn't listened when his mother warned him about making faces and getting stuck like that. "I was just educating this upstart on the proper etiquette towards her superiors. As her former sect leader, shouldn't you have done a better job?"
Zewu-jun's smile was no longer polite. "Please, Jin gongzi, allow me to remedy my error now. Su Minshan?" She gestured for Minshan to join her and turned to indicate she was leaving. This was like being in a burning house and bandits waiting outside. On the one hand, maybe if Minshan insulted Zewu-jun in front of Zixun, helped him put her in her place as he so clearly wanted to, maybe it would earn her points with the Jin. On the other hand she would have to deal with Jin fucking Zixun.
Minshan gave the most cursory of bows to Jin Zixun and followed Zewu-jun across the plaza, scowling to herself. Probably she was going to be sternly told all the reasons she shouldn't dare ever raise her head in public again, and she might even have been willing to take it from some other headbanded lout, but she genuinely was not sure she had the patience to pretend that the sect leader who had abandoned them all to die had a leg to stand on when it came to righteousness.
"Please don't mistake me," said Zewu-jun, softly, no longer smiling, "I have no desire, now or ever, for your company. Nor have I forgotten what you did. But nobody deserves the attention of Jin Zixun."
Minshan stopped in her tracks. "What?" She was about to ask where Zewu-jun got off, or if she was drunk from that one cup of wine she'd been made to drink earlier, but Zewu-jun cut her off.
"He's still standing there. We should at least pretend to polite conversation until he's gone. Unless, of course you want to--"
"Oh, please!" she scoffed. "He's the worst."
"Mn." said Zewu-jun. "It is a belief off mine that no one is born evil. I must say I am deeply indebted to Jin gongzi in this matter. It is important that, when adhering to a universal principle, one make sure it is truly universal, and not make exceptions. And on the question of whether or not someone can be born evil, Jin gongzi has sorely tested my convictions every time we have met. Really, I should thank him."
"That," said Minshan, reluctantly impressed, "might be the meanest thing I have ever heard." Zewu-jun cut an annoyed face, and any messy hint of camaraderie she had started to grudgingly feel vanished. "Who would guess that the great sect leader Lan is so ready to insult anyone. Not even the Jin sect is safe."
The irritated glint in Zewu-jun's eyes hardened. "Oh, Su She can rest assured that sect leader Lan would never insult an innocent party, and, should she do so accidentally, she would be quick to apologize."
Bullshit. "I bet he hasn't even done anything to you," she said, knowing she was being unfair and not caring in the slightest. "The first jade of the Lan. It’s not like he would dare offend you."
"One thing about Jin Zixun is that he will always dare, provided of course that he is certain he will bear no consequences for his daring. As I think Su She knows quite well."
Zewu-jun's tone was curt, and there was a note of distaste in her voice like she'd stepped in manure. Minshan had never seen this woman be so outrageously and obviously rude before. Hanguang-jun, yes, but everyone knew she thought herself above manners. She felt like she was watching Lan Xichen transform into someone entirely different. Someone more like her than Lan Xichen would like. Someone she would probably be disgusted to learn she was capable of being if she ever had to face it unequivocally. It was fascinating. Minshan wanted, suddenly, to see how far she could push it.
"What if there were consequences?" she mused, glancing at where Jin Zixun stood on the opposite side of the plaza, berating a trembling servant. Lianfang-zun had had that same subdued and frightened look in her eyes earlier, when he'd given her the same treatment.
Smiling wistfully, Lan Xichen said "That would be nice to think about."
"We can do better than think," said Minshan. What better way to get back at this high-and-mighty, holier-than-thou hypocrite who threw her birth name around and looked at her like she was dirt for not doing anything she hadn't done herself than to drag her down off her pedestal, rub her face in the fact that she wasn't any better. "What he did to you at the banquet, such an insult to your sect. You can't let that stand."
Lan Xichen sighed. She considered a moment, opened her mouth to speak, thought better, and closed it again.
"He was bragging, before you got there, about how Hanguang-jun is so weak she had to get someone else to drink for her, and that if she'd drunk even one cup of wine, she'd have turned into a wanton sing-song girl." None of that was true, but who needed truth when she could make Lan Xichen’s nostrils flare in rage, make her lip curl, make her do all these subtle things that made her perfect face look so fucking ugly?
"Do you want to know the worst part?" Lan Xichen muttered, full of venom. "If I wanted to, I could drink him under the table."
"Bullshit," Minshan snorted. "You Lan don't drink, and even strong cultivation can't--"
"There's a trick I invented for handling that. It effects me no more than water unless I want it to. Why do you think I was willing to drink at the banquet?"
Either way, she realized, this would work out for her. Either Jin Zixun would be humiliated in an elegant turnabout, or Lan Xichen would fall victim to her own arrogance. "So then why don't you?" Lan Xichen was about to explain in some patronizing way why she of course could never, so Minshan pressed on. "It would be easy. He'd jump at the chance to get you alone and drunk. He'd never see it coming. And even if he told someone, he'd be the asshole who couldn't keep up with a Lan, and a woman. Besides, nobody would believe him."
Lan Xichen was silent for a long time. Across the plaza, Lianfang-zun emerged from the hall, a flash of kindness in this gilded snake pit. Jin Zixun turned when she spoke. They were too far away to hear what he said, but close enough to hear he was yelling at her in much the same way as he had the servant. "You know, clan leader Su," said Lan Xichen in a pensive voice, "I think you may have a point."
various nieyao doodles. first sketch in the second image loosely inspired by that one pic of zhu zan jin where he just has a piece of food hanging out of his mouth for no reason.
this is worse than suicide or eternal seclusion to me. they won't even let him have a mental breakdown in peace. don't forget you're here forever, zewu-jun
I’m thinking about how much LXC liked to travel and how often he would visit JGY, and given JGY’s clear enjoyment of tasteful luxury I imagine he would want to give Er-ge the best in good food and drink and culture and art and conversation.
and now not only is he housebound with depression. he’s housebound in a place where they believe flavor is bad for you, smiling is suspicious and idle conversation is immoral. His ass is NOT recovering
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