hello and welcome to my cnovel/cdrama (mostly mdzs/untamed) sideblog! this is a villain apologist zone, I am Jin Guangyao obsessed, but in general I am fond of most characters and there will be very little hate here. every character is my terrible fave
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"Please, forgive the interruption, Jin gongzi," said Zewu-jun, smiling politely, "but if your conversation isn't urgent, there is something I would like to discuss with Su... Minshan."
The pause was probably not detectable to anyone who hadn't spent significant time dealing with the Lan. But Su Minshan caught it. Was it that her former sect leader didn't remember her courtesy name, didn't think she was worth the courtesy but didn't want to be rude in front of a peer, or that she had settled on the courtesy name to avoid having to recognize Su Minshan as a peer and sect leader in her own right? Typical Lan condescension no matter which one. Su Minshan didn't have time to decide whether dealing with the withering contempt and hatred of the person she had looked up to for so long was better or worse than dealing with Jin Zixun's direct insults and posturing. Jin Zixun looked between the two of them, his permanent sneer giving his face an ugly cast. Clearly he hadn't listened when his mother warned him about making faces and getting stuck like that. "I was just educating this upstart on the proper etiquette towards her superiors. As her former sect leader, shouldn't you have done a better job?"
Zewu-jun's smile was no longer polite. "Please, Jin gongzi, allow me to remedy my error now. Su Minshan?" She gestured for Minshan to join her and turned to indicate she was leaving. This was like being in a burning house and bandits waiting outside. On the one hand, maybe if Minshan insulted Zewu-jun in front of Zixun, helped him put her in her place as he so clearly wanted to, maybe it would earn her points with the Jin. On the other hand she would have to deal with Jin fucking Zixun.
Minshan gave the most cursory of bows to Jin Zixun and followed Zewu-jun across the plaza, scowling to herself. Probably she was going to be sternly told all the reasons she shouldn't dare ever raise her head in public again, and she might even have been willing to take it from some other headbanded lout, but she genuinely was not sure she had the patience to pretend that the sect leader who had abandoned them all to die had a leg to stand on when it came to righteousness.
"Please don't mistake me," said Zewu-jun, softly, no longer smiling, "I have no desire, now or ever, for your company. Nor have I forgotten what you did. But nobody deserves the attention of Jin Zixun."
Minshan stopped in her tracks. "What?" She was about to ask where Zewu-jun got off, or if she was drunk from that one cup of wine she'd been made to drink earlier, but Zewu-jun cut her off.
"He's still standing there. We should at least pretend to polite conversation until he's gone. Unless, of course you want to--"
"Oh, please!" she scoffed. "He's the worst."
"Mn." said Zewu-jun. "It is a belief off mine that no one is born evil. I must say I am deeply indebted to Jin gongzi in this matter. It is important that, when adhering to a universal principle, one make sure it is truly universal, and not make exceptions. And on the question of whether or not someone can be born evil, Jin gongzi has sorely tested my convictions every time we have met. Really, I should thank him."
"That," said Minshan, reluctantly impressed, "might be the meanest thing I have ever heard." Zewu-jun cut an annoyed face, and any messy hint of camaraderie she had started to grudgingly feel vanished. "Who would guess that the great sect leader Lan is so ready to insult anyone. Not even the Jin sect is safe."
The irritated glint in Zewu-jun's eyes hardened. "Oh, Su She can rest assured that sect leader Lan would never insult an innocent party, and, should she do so accidentally, she would be quick to apologize."
Bullshit. "I bet he hasn't even done anything to you," she said, knowing she was being unfair and not caring in the slightest. "The first jade of the Lan. It’s not like he would dare offend you."
"One thing about Jin Zixun is that he will always dare, provided of course that he is certain he will bear no consequences for his daring. As I think Su She knows quite well."
Zewu-jun's tone was curt, and there was a note of distaste in her voice like she'd stepped in manure. Minshan had never seen this woman be so outrageously and obviously rude before. Hanguang-jun, yes, but everyone knew she thought herself above manners. She felt like she was watching Lan Xichen transform into someone entirely different. Someone more like her than Lan Xichen would like. Someone she would probably be disgusted to learn she was capable of being if she ever had to face it unequivocally. It was fascinating. Minshan wanted, suddenly, to see how far she could push it.
"What if there were consequences?" she mused, glancing at where Jin Zixun stood on the opposite side of the plaza, berating a trembling servant. Lianfang-zun had had that same subdued and frightened look in her eyes earlier, when he'd given her the same treatment.
Smiling wistfully, Lan Xichen said "That would be nice to think about."
"We can do better than think," said Minshan. What better way to get back at this high-and-mighty, holier-than-thou hypocrite who threw her birth name around and looked at her like she was dirt for not doing anything she hadn't done herself than to drag her down off her pedestal, rub her face in the fact that she wasn't any better. "What he did to you at the banquet, such an insult to your sect. You can't let that stand."
Lan Xichen sighed. She considered a moment, opened her mouth to speak, thought better, and closed it again.
"He was bragging, before you got there, about how Hanguang-jun is so weak she had to get someone else to drink for her, and that if she'd drunk even one cup of wine, she'd have turned into a wanton sing-song girl." None of that was true, but who needed truth when she could make Lan Xichen’s nostrils flare in rage, make her lip curl, make her do all these subtle things that made her perfect face look so fucking ugly?
"Do you want to know the worst part?" Lan Xichen muttered, full of venom. "If I wanted to, I could drink him under the table."
"Bullshit," Minshan snorted. "You Lan don't drink, and even strong cultivation can't--"
"There's a trick I invented for handling that. It effects me no more than water unless I want it to. Why do you think I was willing to drink at the banquet?"
Either way, she realized, this would work out for her. Either Jin Zixun would be humiliated in an elegant turnabout, or Lan Xichen would fall victim to her own arrogance. "So then why don't you?" Lan Xichen was about to explain in some patronizing way why she of course could never, so Minshan pressed on. "It would be easy. He'd jump at the chance to get you alone and drunk. He'd never see it coming. And even if he told someone, he'd be the asshole who couldn't keep up with a Lan, and a woman. Besides, nobody would believe him."
Lan Xichen was silent for a long time. Across the plaza, Lianfang-zun emerged from the hall, a flash of kindness in this gilded snake pit. Jin Zixun turned when she spoke. They were too far away to hear what he said, but close enough to hear he was yelling at her in much the same way as he had the servant. "You know, clan leader Su," said Lan Xichen in a pensive voice, "I think you may have a point."
various nieyao doodles. first sketch in the second image loosely inspired by that one pic of zhu zan jin where he just has a piece of food hanging out of his mouth for no reason.
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this is worse than suicide or eternal seclusion to me. they won't even let him have a mental breakdown in peace. don't forget you're here forever, zewu-jun
I’m thinking about how much LXC liked to travel and how often he would visit JGY, and given JGY’s clear enjoyment of tasteful luxury I imagine he would want to give Er-ge the best in good food and drink and culture and art and conversation.
and now not only is he housebound with depression. he’s housebound in a place where they believe flavor is bad for you, smiling is suspicious and idle conversation is immoral. His ass is NOT recovering
‘“The Nie family? If it were the Nie family of the past, of course they wouldn’t remain uninvolved. The rumour would hardly be two days old before they’d resolutely raid the evil thing’s lair in no time at all. But isn’t the current Nie family head - heh heh - that ‘head-shaker?’”’ (MDZS, p. 225, trans. 7S)
I thought this bit was interesting because it contradicts a fanon idea of Nie Mingjue’s Nie clan I’ve seen quite a few times - that Nie Mingjue, just like the other sects, didn’t care for the common men. Presumably, this fanon idea comes from Nie Mingjue being against Jin Guangyao’s watchtower idea (I have not yet reached the part about the watchtowers and will therefore not comment on how that situation went).
However, a commoner in Qinghe - perhaps he is a quack doctor, but he is still a citizen who has to live by the mercy of the sect leader in terms of protection from beasts (and later he is also correct about Nie Huaisang) - says directly that Nie Mingjue would have send out scouts to check out what is plaguing the people in Qinghe as soon as he heard about it. This proves Nie Mingjue was invested in the well-being of the Qinghe citizens, which is in line with his character. The fanon idea doesn’t seem to be correct.
Huh. So. Lan Wangji attacking and severely injuring his elders is i think a capital offense. The punishment he gets is brutal and cruel but it is a commutation (sort of). Now if one decides Lan Qiren is mostly or entirely in charge of this process and the decision making here, especially in the context of cql, that i think does put him squarely in the Lan family tradition.
If the person he loves most in the world is Lan Wangji, or just his nephews together, then, when faced with a situation where the person he loves most does something unconscionable and harms the sect, he also can't bring himself to act in accordance with law and custom and see them killed. He finds himself a way out of it through excessive corporal punishment, and then makes the incident go away.
So that can be another mark in the Lan Qiren loves his nephews so fucking much and is absolute garbage at this, and also a huge hypocrite because he will put that first column.
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so Qinheng-jun, Lan Wangji and Lan Xichen were all faced with basically the same choice right. Person you love has killed/attempted to kill Lan sect members, according to the rules of justice they deserve to die for this. what do you do.
Qinheng-jun takes the shitty middle road. Protects this person from death but doesn't let them go free.
His brother raises his sons. We can assume they are constantly told, don't be like your father. If you are ever in this situation, take the righteous path.
It happens to Lan Wangji. He doesn't take the righteous path. He goes far further than his father. Prevents the murderer from being captured, injures his relatives himself to defend them. He is horribly punished for it, it's the worst thing that has ever happened to Lan Xichen and Lan Qiren, and it doesn't even work, Wangji's beloved still dies. Clear object lesson for Lan Xichen. This is the only, the greatest mistake Wangji has ever made. Lan Xichen can never, will never, make it himself.
Of course he would be thinking about it, after Wangxian bring their suspicions to him. Of course that's what's behind his conversation with Wei Wuxian about Lan Wangji and their parents. Of course he has to be trying to psych himself up about it, from the return of the Cloud Recesses pass to the final confrontation in the temple.
Even Wangji is reminding him that he knows what he has to do. And yet he doesn't want to, he doesn't want to, he'll take any other option, please-
and yes, he's tricked into it, but how much can he hide behind that when in his heart he'd already made his choice? He passes the test that his father and brother failed. Despite his little indulgences and loopholes, he is a good Lan. He can't be anything else.
@madtomedgar points out that by concealing the truth of LWJ’s transgressions and allowing him to keep his position (and by prioritizing his nephews’ lives over the rest of the sect during the burning of Cloud Recesses), LQR also fails this test. Lan Xichen is the only one to succeed.
Oh man I’d forgotten that LHK said the way he played it, LXC was thrilled about Wei Wuxian being back. Despite his grudge against WWX. because Wangji’s happiness is more important to LXC than anything. devastating.
@madtomedgar I definitely agree you can also see frustration, anger and even dislike in his performance when he’s interacting with WWX. I like the idea that he’s so tolerant of WWX not because he really believes that he’s a misunderstood victim but just because Wangji has been depressed for 16 years and there’s been nothing LXC could do to help which has been devastating to him and having that magically undone is a miracle he’s not going to question too hard.
thinking about disabled JRS in the Su Rusong AU and how SMS would be like. Okay kid here's the deal. You're different and weaker than others. This world is shitty and unfair and you are always going to be judged and found wanting and they will never value you as one their own. And that's why you have to get as strong as you can no matter what.
and then he would personally train him in cultivation and although he'd be unrelenting, unsympathetic, impatient and often ableist, the fact that this is zongzhu's child would hold him back from outright abuse, and he just wouldn't give up until he brute force discovered accessible techniques that JRS could master. Being able to report JRS's progress to his father is one of SMS's greatest joys in life.
Su Rusong can't read or write talismans but he's halfway okay at musical cultivation, can't read music but he's great at memorizing melodies and holding a beat
he knows he's bad compared to all the other disciples, but yifu says to just think about how much he's improved, he'll definitely catch up in the end if he doesn't slack off
says he has his father's memory, and that's a rare talent
I think JGY handed him over to SMS with a vague expectation that SMS would like. Find someone kind to look after him and make sure his basic needs were met, and keep him hidden away from society. Sending his son to a farm upstate because the child was born wrong and will never survive in this world.
but SMS, in typical SMS overachiever fashion, decides if the kid doesn't form a golden core that means he SMS is a failure and has let zongzhu down.
Critically, SMS does not like kids. He actually hates them. This is miserable for both parties and involves a lot of screaming tantrums on both sides. And a lot of times he does the exact wrong thing and traumatizes the kid. But the kid does form a golden core, and he gets his own sword, and a spiritual tool (but not a courtesy name, because SMS wouldn't overstep like that).
Oh man I’d forgotten that LHK said the way he played it, LXC was thrilled about Wei Wuxian being back. Despite his grudge against WWX. because Wangji’s happiness is more important to LXC than anything. devastating.
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