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So, Alignment Charts have some sort of strange, supernatural hold over me. I love finding cool ones online, sorting my friends and popular characters into them, and making them too.
I think it has something to do with the way they're a simple way to organize and categorize information/people in fun, uniform ways, and can mean as much or as little sense as you like.
In my "extensive research" of Alignment Charts, I have noticed that there are 3 main types of alignment charts.
The Grid Alignment Charts
The Graph Alignment Charts
The Tree Alignment Charts
The Grid Alignment Charts
This is probably the most common variety of Alignment Chart; a series of tiled geometric compartments. This includes the famous D&D Alignment Chart, as well as the far less popular Bear/Twink/Hunk Triangle.
The Square Variety either features two scales of different factors (lawful to chaotic / good to evil) or two collections of different things (preferred drink vs. sexuality is a common one).
The Triangle/Pyramid Variety, however, is a bit more interesting. Instead of having a label at the end of each row, there is only a label at the end of each vertex. As opposed to having the location of a compartment determine its exact value with regard to the chart, the proximity of a compartment to any given vertex determines how much that label applies to what is found in the compartment.
Fun Fact: A square Grid Chart has the same number of compartent as a triangular Grid Chart with the same side lengths! (i.e. A 2x2 square and a 2 layer triangle both have 4 compartments!)
This type of alignment chart is definitely better for smaller, finite sets of data, and allow for more specific and definable areas within the chart.
The Graph Alignment Charts
Graph Alignment Charts, while distinct from their Grid cousins in appearance, are practically identical in function. Again, like their grid cousins, Graph Charts come in both square and triangle varieties. Perhaps the most notable chart of this type is the "McDonalds Triangle Meme," seen here:
The lack of a grid/compartments allows for a lot more freedom when it comes to placing data points. Their lack of boundaries also allows for many more labels or points to be added in close proximity to one another, meaning that, unlike in Grid Charts, data points don't have to fight for a given spot, they can occupy the same niche in harmony.
The true graph Alignment Charts (As seen below), are an even better example of this category of chart.
While it shares the same labels as the classic 3x3 D&D Alignment Chart, it opts to turn the three columns of order and three rows of morality into axes, meaning one can utilize a greater range of positions, instead of relegating
These types of alignment charts are better suited to larger groups of data and work best when you're trying to relate data points more towards their relationships to a set of labels than more segmented, specific labeling.
The Tree Alignment Charts
This typing is somewhat loose and is more of a catch-all category. I only call them "Tree Alignment Charts" because the Tree Chart is the most structured variant of these charts, and most "Other" charts could be translated into the Tree Chart format and still work as intended. Really, these are the only types:
Tree Charts, which is just what I call the charts.
Freeform "Charts"
I don't think anyone else would call these "Tree Charts," this just looks like the Tree Charts I learned about in math class as a kid. You probably know the Tree Chart by its most famous version: the "When a bag is stuck in the vending machine" chart, seen below.
This is a somewhat prevalent version of alignment chart, but definitely not as popular as the classic 3x3 grid chart or the McDonald's-style triangle graph chart.
It's far less based on relation to values or labels, and is really just all or nothing and requires more broad, divided, and unrelated categories.
Finally, the Freeform Charts are just unorganized Tree Charts, as seen below.
This chart presents a similar format, with different categories of reactions to a singular prompt given in the title, this one just lacks the organization of lines.
There isn't really much to say about these Tree Charts as they are so open-ended.
These Tree Charts are best for displaying random assortments of data with only one set of labels, as opposed to the two sets of labels that both the graph and grid charts utilize.
Conclusion
I didn't really have a goal in mind with this post, I more just wanted to illustrate the different types of alignment charts and what they were good for. Also, I kinda just needed to get some Alignment Chart talk out of my system.
I have a lot of alignment charts saved up that I've found over the years, so I might post some of the more interesting ones at a later date.
Also, I have some varying charts and diagrams that I made as a form of personal indulgence that go into some deep specifics with regard to the values demonstrated within a given chart that I will post on another day.
If you want to hear more about what I think of alignment charts, please let me know or feel free to ask me any questions.
okay, for those interested, here is a full timeline of how we got to Count Binface:
1977: Star Wars is released, featuring, of course, Darth Vader
(Pictured: Darth Vader)
1984: Director Todd Durham releases his Star Wars parody movie, Hyperspace, featuring Darth Vader inspired villain Lord Buckethead.
(Pictured: Hyperspace poster featuring two Jawa-esque aliens flying through space in a shopping trolley.)
1987: Hyperspace is released on video in the UK, under the new title Gremloids.
(Pictured: Gremloids cover in the style of the original Star Wars poster, featuring Lord Buckethead.)
To promote the film, Mike Lee, the owner of the distributing company, ran for parliament as Lord Buckethead. He ran in Margaret Thatcher's constituency, Finchley, in order to get on TV. Lord Buckethead was representing the Gremloids party.
(Pictured: Lord Buckethead on TV with Margaret Thatcher.)
1992: Gremloids is re-released. Lord Buckethead rides again, this time against prime minister John Major in Huntingdon. (Here's a fun fact about Huntingdon: I was born there! :D) 87/92 Buckethead seems to have leaned pretty hard into the space supervillain thing, with campaign promises including 'demolish Birmingham to build a spaceport'.
(Pictured: Lord Buckethead on TV with John Major. Other notable candidates include Screaming Lord Sutch of the Monster Raving Loony Party.)
2017: comedian Jon Harvey, having recently watched Gremloids and learned of Lord Buckethead's candidacy for parliament, decides it's a great bit. He runs against Theresa May in Maidenhead. 2017 Buckethead seems to have a wackier and also more political approach, with campaign promises ranging from nonsense like 'nationalise Adele' to gesturing at actually sensible policies with stuff like 'lower the voting age to 16 and restrict voting after age 80'.
He also made an appearance on Last Week Tonight with John Oliver. As with his previous incarnation, he was a member of the Gremloids party.
(Pictured: Lord Buckethead dabbing on stage with Theresa May.)
2018: Director Todd Durham asserts his legal ownership of Lord Buckethead. Jon Harvey opted not to go to court over Buckethead and handed over the reins. Todd Durham extended an invitation to anyone who wanted to be the 'authorised' Lord Buckethead.
(Pictured: the new Lord Buckethead.)
2019: Lord Buckethead, now played by journalist David Hughes, stood against Boris Johnson in Uxbridge and South Ruislip. He ran for the Monster Raving Loony Party, the UK's pre-existing gag candidate party. He ran with a similarly silly manifesto as the 2017 incarnation, but with a bit less of a political edge. His promises included 'All doorways to be increased by 1 foot (30 cm) in height' and 'Nigel Farage to be sold for parts'.
(Pictured: Lord Buckethead and Count Binface square up.)
Meanwhile, Jon Harvey in his new persona Count Binface, also ran against Boris Johnson. Buckethead and Binface face off! Binface ran as an independent with a manifesto once again blending silly and semi-serious promises such as 'nationalising model railways' and 'giving £1 trillion a week to the NHS'. This was also I believe the debut of his promise to 'move the hand dryer in the men's toilet at Uxbridge's Crown and Treaty pub to a more sensible position'.
(Pictured: Count Binface presenting the offending hand dryer, inconveniently close to both the sink and the urinals.)
He has a point.
2021: Count Binface runs for the position of Mayor of London for the first time, with promises such as 'London to join the European Union'. He notably finished ahead of far right party UKIP.
2023: Count Binface runs in the Uxbridge and South Ruislip by-election following Boris Johnson's resignation. He once again gets more votes than UKIP.
May 2024: Count Binface once again runs to be Mayor of London, debuting his now iconic 'build at least one affordable house' promise. Notably, he finished ahead of far right party Britain First.
(Pictured: Count Binface with Rishi Sunak. Also pictured: Monster Raving Loony Party candidate Sir Archibald Stanton with a ventriloquist's dummy.)
July 2024: Count Binface stands in the general election, running in Richmond and Northallerton against prime minister Rishi Sunak. He debuts his promise to cap the price of 99p flakes at 99p. This is his most successful election to date with 308 votes.
(Pictured: Count Binface with Andy Burnham. Also pictured: independent candidate Robert Pownell, dressed as a fox for his own reasons.)
June 2026: Count Binface stands in the Makerfield by-election against Andy Burnham, (recently) former Mayor of Manchester running for parliament with the intention of standing in the Labour Party leadership contest.
(Pictured: Count Binface on BBC's Newsnight.)
July 2026 (this week): Count Binface announces his intention to run against Nigel Farage in the upcoming Clacton by-election. He is briefly the only other candidate in the race and by the time other candidates announce themselves the narrative of 'Nigel Farage vs Count Binface' has already bedded in. And then it was now, and then I don't know what happened.
For clarity's sake, Robert Pownall is dressed as a fox because he's an anti-fox hunting campaigner, and also he will be standing in the Farage Vs Binface election. So that's fun
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I once wrote a 1500 word essay on something I'd forgotten to read in the 40 minutes before class. Including the time it took to read the thing I'd forgotten to read.
I got an A on that paper.
Writing is a skill. Skill is muscle. If you don't use a muscle, it atrophies. If you are a student and you are tempted to use genAI to cheese an assignment, I am begging you for your own sake to not do it.
This is not a moral stance about genAI (which is shit at what it's ostensibly for, and full of lies and evil, and fueled by art theft and burning rainforests, and there is no good reason to ever use it for anything; that's the moral reason for why you shouldn't use it), it is a purely pragmatic stance based on the fact that if you use it you will never learn the single most essential skill that is used in every single workplace.
You will never learn to bullshit.
And if you cannot bullshit, you will not understand when you are being fed bullshit by others.
For your own sake you must learn to do your own thinking, your own bullshitting, because our trashfire society runs on bullshit and for your own good you must become fluent in it, because very few people will bother to translate it for you. It was asinine in the late 90s, and it is asinine today, but it is the central truth of adult society: everything is bullshit, and you need to know what is going on beneath the bullshit, and you need to be able to bullshit back if necessary.
I know that the expectations being placed on you are ever-increasing, and I know that it does not seem rational to put effort into explaining the plot of a Charles Dickens novel to someone who has read the thing 50 times and will read 50 identical essays about it over the weekend. I know you are being handed ever-greater heaps of what is functionally mindless busywork because of an institutional obsession with metrics that don't actually measure learning in a useful way. High school was nightmarish in the 90s and I am fully aware that it has only gotten worse.
Nevertheless, you must try, if only for your own sake. Curiosity is your best hope, and dogged determination your best weapon. Learn, please, if only out of spite.
I was able to get an A on that paper because I was able to skim the reading, figure out what it was about, and bullshit for 1500 words in the space of 40 minutes.
Imagine what you can do if you learn to bullshit like I can bullshit.
For my senior year of AP English, I was assigned reading over Easter break. We were instructed to read The Old Man And The Sea, and save the rest of the short stories in the book for the first week back.
Unfortunately, what I heard was "read everything BUT The Old Man And The Sea."
Double unfortunately: the first day back was a test, on The Old Man And The Sea. Which I had read exactly zero words of. It was, notably, a short essay test. It wasn't multiple choice or fill in the blank. It was designed to require deliberate answers from scratch, entirely out of your own head, with nothing to go on BUT what was in your head.
And in the course of about 45 minutes, I was able to use the questions of the test itself to piece together a vague enough sense of how the story went to bullshit my way through other questions. I gave wide, thematic answers that were extremely light on details, since I did not know any of them, and did not even know this test would be happening until it was in front of me. An essay test for an AP-level English class.
I had a starting point of zero information, and an essay test about the thing I was supposed to have read.
I bullshitted my way to a B+ on it.
On a test I should have gotten a ZERO on.
It's been 16 years since I took that test.
I couldn't tell you a damn thing about The Old Man And The Sea.
But you better fucking believe I still know how to bullshit, and when someone is trying to bullshit me.
The power and utility of knowing how bullshit works CANNOT be overstated. It is one of the most important skills you can ever have.
How can you ever understand both what goes into real actual research and also how to spot bullshit a mile away, if you never put in the effort yourself.
You need to know how to bullshit to spot a bullshitter, as said above, but you also need to be able to do real research and figure out how to understand a topic beyond just the surface level that you get with multiple-choice questions.
How else will you be able to avoid buying into the blistering heaps of rancid bullshit coming out of the government, how else will you gain enough literacy to avoid being sucked into anti-science and anti-intellectual nonsense. This is your primary defense in the Information Age. You have to do the work yourself.
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Defaulting to they/them or asking for people's pronouns: What should you do?
(Plus some additional nonbinary/gay man ramblings)
Okay so, this is a topic that has been around for a couple years now, and I want to throw in my opinion. This was basically just sparked by a comment I just saw, and one that I left in response. A lot of this is taken directly from my comment, with some slight changes.
Long post below the cut!
First, I want to preface this with four things:
I don't think you're a bad person if you disagree with me. In fact, I'm sure most people who disagree with me are genuinely trying to be inclusive; I just think they're going about it wrong.
I'm sort of nonbinary, sort of a man. A man-aligned nonbinary person, if you will. My pronouns are he/him and I actively dislike being called they/them. I stick with "just being a man" around most people because it's literally impossible to express being nonbinary without being ostracized, especially because simply being referred to in a nonbinary way is in and of itself quite othering in a binary society.
I'm a leftist and I disagree with transmedicalism. That's not super relevant, but I can foresee it getting brought up, so figured I'd clarify.
I'm not straight, and you can tell from a mile away. Most people assume I'm gay pretty much immediately. And, they're not entirely wrong. I'm not exclusively gay, but they're not entirely wrong. People are surprised when they find out I'm bisexual specifically because they don't expect me to like women.
With that out of the way...
Should you call strangers they/them?
I am, of course, referring to the practice of defaulting to they/them with people whose pronouns you don't know. Whether or not you should do that depends pretty heavily on what "not knowing" actually means.
Generally, there are two versions of "not knowing" that exist:
Acknowledging that you literally don't know anyone's personal pronouns until told, and applying this to everyone. This is the utopian ideal, but not common practice, even among progressives.
Assuming people's pronouns whenever possible, but defaulting to they/them when making an assumption is particularly difficult. This fucking sucks. I genuinely hate this so much. But this is usually what people mean by "not knowing" in practice.
Most of the time, people only default to they/them with people who are visibly "different" or androgynous. This can be extremely othering, because they don't treat people who are (relatively) gender conforming and cis-passing this way.
This is actually part of why I actively dislike being called they/them. I've been in situations where I was in a group full of men, and at least one person referred to every other man with he/him, while exclusively referring to me with they/them... Even when most, if not all, of the other people in the group referred to me with he/him with zero problem.
This happens largely because my self expression is not strictly masculine, or they think I'm "the woman" in my gay relationship, even if they don't literally think I'm a woman. Most people assume I'm male, some just slap me into the "other" or "confusing" category, and every once in a while somebody assumes I'm female.
My gender expression through clothing is primarily masculine, but I do mix it up sometimes, even if it's usually only through small things like nail polish and jewelry. Though, I do go further sometimes, like whenever I leave town for a bit and don thigh highs or fishnets, things like that. I keep my hair short to medium length. I prefer it short, I just don't cut it often enough to maintain that length all the time.
I've been told that the way that I act is both masculine and feminine by different people at different times. Ultimately, it seems that my personality is viewed as masc-leaning, while my hobbies and interests are viewed as fem-leaning, and overall, I'm pretty androgynous. I wish none of this was gendered or categorized like this to begin with, though. Gender. Is. A. Fucking. Prison.
Also, this is a bit of a side tangent, but fuck it:
The funny thing is, the people who do this to me are usually women, even though women are statistically more progressive than men. Men seem to have an easier time with my pronouns than women do, like they seem to understand it much more intuitively. Though, it's not exactly revolutionary for a man to call another man "he" when referring to him, but I digress. It's not like they know I'm nonbinary; they don't.
And that's not to say that men never do this, because they do sometimes, but it definitely occurs less often, you know? Instead they usually just overtly call me a faggot instead of presenting themselves as an ally while doing roughly the equivalent, and honestly, I kinda prefer that in a way. It's scarier for sure, but it also feels more honest.
I wonder if that's because women are statistically more likely to be liberal than men, and therefore more likely to adopt seemingly progressive practices that are actually regressive in nature? Or maybe it's just some sort of "man recognize man" thing? Maybe the women who do this are basing my pronouns more on my gender expression, while men are basing my pronouns more on my physical traits? But even my physical traits are pretty androgynous. I'm very twinkish.
I don't know. Gender is a prison, and none of this is to say there is a distinct "woman behavior" or "man behavior" to begin with. That's sexist gender essentialist bullshit. This is just something I've noticed in my own experience. Not really drawing much of a conclusion from it.
Anyway!
I guess, what I'm saying is, defaulting to they/them can sometimes be the opposite of inclusive. In situations like the ones described above, it feels very similar to being called a faggot, but way harder to call out, because it's seen as progressive. My boyfriend backs me up with this happens to me, which is nice, but it's still unpleasant.
And this issue could probably be avoided entirely if people honestly defaulted to they/them across the board, not just the people they find confusing. Or if the concept of gender eventually becomes so meaningless that it gets completely phased out. That would be cool. Agender dream right there. Genuinely really hope it happens.
Maybe this is just an inevitability of living in such a heavily (binary) gendered society. It taints everything somehow, even the things that are supposed to be gender neutral. I think very few things actually are gender neutral. They just don't get to be in the world we live in. Even the very concept of gender neutrality is only able to exist due to its relationship with the gender binary. The "neither" or "either" or "both" type thing. It feels so inescapable.
Even if something is neutral when it comes to gender, it's not neutral when it comes to additional connotations. If "he" means "I assume you're a man" and "she" means "I assume you're a woman" then anything else inevitably means "I think you're weird and different" in a heavily binarized world, and that kinda sucks.
Now you might be thinking, "Okay, so if we can't default to they/them, what is the alternative? Defaulting to he/him or she/her still runs the risk of misgendering people. Should we just ask?"
And you know, that's a really good question.
Should you ask people for their pronouns?
No. God no. This should never have been proposed as a solution and I'm surprised that so many people don't seem to see the problem with this. It has all of the problems of defaulting to they/them and more.
People usually only ask for the pronouns of people who they find distinctly confusing. Even if you genuinely ask everyone for their pronouns, that's not usually what people do. So, asking this can still make people feel socially "othered" because of the more common practice of being selective with who you ask, unless you also ask multiple other people for their pronouns right in front of them so they know they're not being singled out.
But that brings me to my second issue with asking: it risks outing them or putting them on the spot when they might not be ready to answer. Especially if you ask them for their pronouns in a group setting. They might even be essentially forced to misgender themselves if they're transgender and partially or fully closeted.
And, just as people have sometimes defaulted to they/them'ing me, I've also been asked what my pronouns are a handful of times. Most times, it was clear that they were singling me out, and it's always awkward. Sometimes they'll even follow up with unnecessary comments about my appearance.
I even get this from kids in the form of "are you a boy or a girl" every once in a while, and it catches me off guard every time. Once, when a kid asked me that and I responded that I'm a boy (well, man, but it's good to mirror their language so they don't feel spoken down to) he followed up with "why are you wearing earrings then?" and laughed about it. I know he didn't mean any harm. But it's an uncomfortable thing to experience. Never gonna get used to it.
So, it seems like I've ruled out the two main "progressive" approaches to pronouns with strangers. If defaulting to they/them is bad, and asking is also bad, what left is there to do? I'm glad I asked!
How should you approach pronouns with strangers?
By far, the best way to approach pronouns with strangers is by offering your own. When introducing your name, introduce your pronouns alongside it. This implicitly invites others to do the same if they wish to, without being explicitly prompted.
It's like the difference between wearing a pride pin and asking someone if they're queer. One is an implicit demonstration of "hey, you're safe with me," and the other is potentially invasive or dangerous.
There are, of course, two possible responses that a person might have to you sharing your own pronouns:
They share their own pronouns.
They don't share their own pronouns.
If they choose to share their own pronouns, mission accomplished! You now know how to refer to them and can act accordingly.
But, wait, what if they don't share their own pronouns? Well, that could mean any number of things, such as:
They don't know which pronouns they prefer.
They don't care which pronouns you use for them.
They don't feel that it is important to share.
They're transgender and partially or fully closeted.
They're cisgender and/or gender conforming and don't feel it necessary to state their pronouns, because they believe you should be able to assume them based on appearance or other indicators.
Whatever the case, it is most likely that your best bet is assuming he/him or she/her, based on appearance or other indicators, if they didn't take the opportunity to state pronouns.
If they do use something other than he/him or she/her, there is probably a reason they decided not to share this information. You gave a gentle nudge; don't force an answer for your own convenience. Go with the option that is least likely to out or other them.
Also, if you're comfortable doing so, please wear pronoun pins, especially if you are cisgender and/or gender conforming! Pronoun pins are primarily used by transgender, gender nonconforming, or otherwise genderqueer people whose pronouns might not otherwise be properly assumed, but anyone can wear them!
Because they're associated with gender minorities, there is a lot of stigma around wearing them, which places a heavy burden on gender minorities. Please, please, demonstrate allyship by wearing pronoun pins. Help take some of the burden off of gender minorities. Help normalize the practice of signaling pronouns through words, rather than appearance.
This! I wish this was more widespread, whenever I'm in a new group setting and introducing myself I always want to introduce myself with my pronouns (i.e. "Hi, I'm [Name], he/him") (not even for sake of finding out the other person's pronouns just because it feels like good practice) but often I chicken out last minute out of fear that they'll consider the practice weird or they surprisingly turn out to be some kind of bigot, or I'm in a setting where a bunch of people have introduced themselves before me without saying their pronouns and obviously I'll be the weird one if I break the pattern.
I think another good practice in this kinda situation is that if specifically the person you're meeting is a friend of a friend, or when you meet them there is someone else who you know knows them better than you, just use the stranger's name until the person who knows them better than you refers to them with a pronoun and then use that pronoun, otherwise I don't think they/them is all too bad for androgynous people.
On the point that "they/them" is inherently othering and exoticising in a binary-normative world, while I cannot speak on the issue with any authority or experience, I feel like I've noticed (at least in some parts of wokedom) a move towards a gender-trinary way of thinking where she/her=woman, he/him=man, and they/them=enby/gnc, in a way that isn't derogatory or exorsexist. but I might be completely off-base or misunderstanding of the original post with this view and please forgive and correct/clarify to me if so
I feel like I've noticed (at least in some parts of wokedom) a move towards a gender-trinary way of thinking where she/her=woman, he/him=man, and they/them=enby/gnc, in a way that isn't derogatory or exorsexist.
My issue isn't exactly that the people calling me "they" are necessarily doing so in a derogatory or exorsexist way. A lot of the time, I don't think that's the intent. But this sort of "gender trinary" is actually part of the problem with the practice. In a world dominated by the gender binary, placing specific individuals into a "third" category (enby/gnc) as a default assumption is inherently othering.
That's why being singled out as the "they/them" in a group of people feels very similar to being called a faggot. They're implicitly calling out that something is "other" about the way that I present myself.
Rather than they/them pronouns being an avoidance of assumption, it has become a type of assumption in and of itself. It has become a new category. The "third" part of a new gender trinary. And specifically the "third" part, not the first or second or equal, because it is societally devalued under the preestablished gender binary.
It also implies that there is a specific way to "look" nonbinary, because there is a very specific genre of appearance that results in people defaulting to they/them instead of she/her or he/him.
A lot of "progressive" people basically gave up ground on the whole "gender doesn't have a look" argument. Instead, with the new gender trinary, nonbinary has just become associated with an androgynous appearance, in the same way that women and men continue to be associated femininity and masculinity, respectively.
This is why I get shoved into all three categories, with varying frequency. It really feels like a cage.
Defaulting to they/them or asking for people's pronouns: What should you do?
(Plus some additional nonbinary/gay man ramblings)
Okay so, this is a topic that has been around for a couple years now, and I want to throw in my opinion. This was basically just sparked by a comment I just saw, and one that I left in response. A lot of this is taken directly from my comment, with some slight changes.
Long post below the cut!
First, I want to preface this with four things:
I don't think you're a bad person if you disagree with me. In fact, I'm sure most people who disagree with me are genuinely trying to be inclusive; I just think they're going about it wrong.
I'm sort of nonbinary, sort of a man. A man-aligned nonbinary person, if you will. My pronouns are he/him and I actively dislike being called they/them. I stick with "just being a man" around most people because it's literally impossible to express being nonbinary without being ostracized, especially because simply being referred to in a nonbinary way is in and of itself quite othering in a binary society.
I'm a leftist and I disagree with transmedicalism. That's not super relevant, but I can foresee it getting brought up, so figured I'd clarify.
I'm not straight, and you can tell from a mile away. Most people assume I'm gay pretty much immediately. And, they're not entirely wrong. I'm not exclusively gay, but they're not entirely wrong. People are surprised when they find out I'm bisexual specifically because they don't expect me to like women.
With that out of the way...
Should you call strangers they/them?
I am, of course, referring to the practice of defaulting to they/them with people whose pronouns you don't know. Whether or not you should do that depends pretty heavily on what "not knowing" actually means.
Generally, there are two versions of "not knowing" that exist:
Acknowledging that you literally don't know anyone's personal pronouns until told, and applying this to everyone. This is the utopian ideal, but not common practice, even among progressives.
Assuming people's pronouns whenever possible, but defaulting to they/them when making an assumption is particularly difficult. This fucking sucks. I genuinely hate this so much. But this is usually what people mean by "not knowing" in practice.
Most of the time, people only default to they/them with people who are visibly "different" or androgynous. This can be extremely othering, because they don't treat people who are (relatively) gender conforming and cis-passing this way.
This is actually part of why I actively dislike being called they/them. I've been in situations where I was in a group full of men, and at least one person referred to every other man with he/him, while exclusively referring to me with they/them... Even when most, if not all, of the other people in the group referred to me with he/him with zero problem.
This happens largely because my self expression is not strictly masculine, or they think I'm "the woman" in my gay relationship, even if they don't literally think I'm a woman. Most people assume I'm male, some just slap me into the "other" or "confusing" category, and every once in a while somebody assumes I'm female.
My gender expression through clothing is primarily masculine, but I do mix it up sometimes, even if it's usually only through small things like nail polish and jewelry. Though, I do go further sometimes, like whenever I leave town for a bit and don thigh highs or fishnets, things like that. I keep my hair short to medium length. I prefer it short, I just don't cut it often enough to maintain that length all the time.
I've been told that the way that I act is both masculine and feminine by different people at different times. Ultimately, it seems that my personality is viewed as masc-leaning, while my hobbies and interests are viewed as fem-leaning, and overall, I'm pretty androgynous. I wish none of this was gendered or categorized like this to begin with, though. Gender. Is. A. Fucking. Prison.
Also, this is a bit of a side tangent, but fuck it:
The funny thing is, the people who do this to me are usually women, even though women are statistically more progressive than men. Men seem to have an easier time with my pronouns than women do, like they seem to understand it much more intuitively. Though, it's not exactly revolutionary for a man to call another man "he" when referring to him, but I digress. It's not like they know I'm nonbinary; they don't.
And that's not to say that men never do this, because they do sometimes, but it definitely occurs less often, you know? Instead they usually just overtly call me a faggot instead of presenting themselves as an ally while doing roughly the equivalent, and honestly, I kinda prefer that in a way. It's scarier for sure, but it also feels more honest.
I wonder if that's because women are statistically more likely to be liberal than men, and therefore more likely to adopt seemingly progressive practices that are actually regressive in nature? Or maybe it's just some sort of "man recognize man" thing? Maybe the women who do this are basing my pronouns more on my gender expression, while men are basing my pronouns more on my physical traits? But even my physical traits are pretty androgynous. I'm very twinkish.
I don't know. Gender is a prison, and none of this is to say there is a distinct "woman behavior" or "man behavior" to begin with. That's sexist gender essentialist bullshit. This is just something I've noticed in my own experience. Not really drawing much of a conclusion from it.
Anyway!
I guess, what I'm saying is, defaulting to they/them can sometimes be the opposite of inclusive. In situations like the ones described above, it feels very similar to being called a faggot, but way harder to call out, because it's seen as progressive. My boyfriend backs me up with this happens to me, which is nice, but it's still unpleasant.
And this issue could probably be avoided entirely if people honestly defaulted to they/them across the board, not just the people they find confusing. Or if the concept of gender eventually becomes so meaningless that it gets completely phased out. That would be cool. Agender dream right there. Genuinely really hope it happens.
Maybe this is just an inevitability of living in such a heavily (binary) gendered society. It taints everything somehow, even the things that are supposed to be gender neutral. I think very few things actually are gender neutral. They just don't get to be in the world we live in. Even the very concept of gender neutrality is only able to exist due to its relationship with the gender binary. The "neither" or "either" or "both" type thing. It feels so inescapable.
Even if something is neutral when it comes to gender, it's not neutral when it comes to additional connotations. If "he" means "I assume you're a man" and "she" means "I assume you're a woman" then anything else inevitably means "I think you're weird and different" in a heavily binarized world, and that kinda sucks.
Now you might be thinking, "Okay, so if we can't default to they/them, what is the alternative? Defaulting to he/him or she/her still runs the risk of misgendering people. Should we just ask?"
And you know, that's a really good question.
Should you ask people for their pronouns?
No. God no. This should never have been proposed as a solution and I'm surprised that so many people don't seem to see the problem with this. It has all of the problems of defaulting to they/them and more.
People usually only ask for the pronouns of people who they find distinctly confusing. Even if you genuinely ask everyone for their pronouns, that's not usually what people do. So, asking this can still make people feel socially "othered" because of the more common practice of being selective with who you ask, unless you also ask multiple other people for their pronouns right in front of them so they know they're not being singled out.
But that brings me to my second issue with asking: it risks outing them or putting them on the spot when they might not be ready to answer. Especially if you ask them for their pronouns in a group setting. They might even be essentially forced to misgender themselves if they're transgender and partially or fully closeted.
And, just as people have sometimes defaulted to they/them'ing me, I've also been asked what my pronouns are a handful of times. Most times, it was clear that they were singling me out, and it's always awkward. Sometimes they'll even follow up with unnecessary comments about my appearance.
I even get this from kids in the form of "are you a boy or a girl" every once in a while, and it catches me off guard every time. Once, when a kid asked me that and I responded that I'm a boy (well, man, but it's good to mirror their language so they don't feel spoken down to) he followed up with "why are you wearing earrings then?" and laughed about it. I know he didn't mean any harm. But it's an uncomfortable thing to experience. Never gonna get used to it.
So, it seems like I've ruled out the two main "progressive" approaches to pronouns with strangers. If defaulting to they/them is bad, and asking is also bad, what left is there to do? I'm glad I asked!
How should you approach pronouns with strangers?
By far, the best way to approach pronouns with strangers is by offering your own. When introducing your name, introduce your pronouns alongside it. This implicitly invites others to do the same if they wish to, without being explicitly prompted.
It's like the difference between wearing a pride pin and asking someone if they're queer. One is an implicit demonstration of "hey, you're safe with me," and the other is potentially invasive or dangerous.
There are, of course, two possible responses that a person might have to you sharing your own pronouns:
They share their own pronouns.
They don't share their own pronouns.
If they choose to share their own pronouns, mission accomplished! You now know how to refer to them and can act accordingly.
But, wait, what if they don't share their own pronouns? Well, that could mean any number of things, such as:
They don't know which pronouns they prefer.
They don't care which pronouns you use for them.
They don't feel that it is important to share.
They're transgender and partially or fully closeted.
They're cisgender and/or gender conforming and don't feel it necessary to state their pronouns, because they believe you should be able to assume them based on appearance or other indicators.
Whatever the case, it is most likely that your best bet is assuming he/him or she/her, based on appearance or other indicators, if they didn't take the opportunity to state pronouns.
If they do use something other than he/him or she/her, there is probably a reason they decided not to share this information. You gave a gentle nudge; don't force an answer for your own convenience. Go with the option that is least likely to out or other them.
Also, if you're comfortable doing so, please wear pronoun pins, especially if you are cisgender and/or gender conforming! Pronoun pins are primarily used by transgender, gender nonconforming, or otherwise genderqueer people whose pronouns might not otherwise be properly assumed, but anyone can wear them!
Because they're associated with gender minorities, there is a lot of stigma around wearing them, which places a heavy burden on gender minorities. Please, please, demonstrate allyship by wearing pronoun pins. Help take some of the burden off of gender minorities. Help normalize the practice of signaling pronouns through words, rather than appearance.
This! I wish this was more widespread, whenever I'm in a new group setting and introducing myself I always want to introduce myself with my pronouns (i.e. "Hi, I'm [Name], he/him") (not even for sake of finding out the other person's pronouns just because it feels like good practice) but often I chicken out last minute out of fear that they'll consider the practice weird or they surprisingly turn out to be some kind of bigot, or I'm in a setting where a bunch of people have introduced themselves before me without saying their pronouns and obviously I'll be the weird one if I break the pattern.
I think another good practice in this kinda situation is that if specifically the person you're meeting is a friend of a friend, or when you meet them there is someone else who you know knows them better than you, just use the stranger's name until the person who knows them better than you refers to them with a pronoun and then use that pronoun, otherwise I don't think they/them is all too bad for androgynous people.
On the point that "they/them" is inherently othering and exoticising in a binary-normative world, while I cannot speak on the issue with any authority or experience, I feel like I've noticed (at least in some parts of wokedom) a move towards a gender-trinary way of thinking where she/her=woman, he/him=man, and they/them=enby/gnc, in a way that isn't derogatory or exorsexist. but I might be completely off-base or misunderstanding of the original post with this view and please forgive and correct/clarify to me if so
Editor's note: all of the text after this paragraph has been written on april 7th 2024, apparently I have never actually sent this thing out, again. This is a little interesting from an almost anthropological angle that being said most of those haven't actually changed much surprisingly enough. I am very bad at being timely indeed.
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last song: "Cold Turkey" by The Happy Fits... no "girl in blue" by Animal Sun... no "Sometimes" by Nick Lutsko (listening to music as im typing out the post lmao)
fav color: green ofc
currently watching: nothing, just a bunch of yt videos as per usual
sweet/savory/spicy: sweet, im a certified sweet tooth
relationship status: single (aroace version)
current obsession: tamagotchi and still kind of riding out (passive*) interest in drugs
last thing you googled: "I'm having a bad day maybe I should talk to someone nevermind" <- ok so i was looking for the one short form video that i mentioned in my prev post
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Sweet/Savoury/Spicy: Savory :)
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sweet loverrrr its 9 am and ive had a chocolate chip cookie and some strawberries
current obsession: oooo ok I have like. 3 answers. A) animal crossing cuz I used to have a switch and this week I got one again (my friend sold it to me for $70 woooo), B) the great gatsby -dont look at me its for school and I hate that I’m obsessed with it, C) The DLO and DOV of somewhere ohio cuz rat grimes’ music haunts me like a ghost (positive) and before full metal black a chase petra song was on and whenever I hear them I just go. Ughhhh Scarlette Jaunt I love youuuuu
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… i didnt wanna make him sad
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Sweet/Savoury/Spicy: What if I said sweet and spicy (gosh darnit I really like chilli ginger hot chocolate)
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- SCP foundation! One of my irl friends got me into this one and I’m now really into consuming as much SCP lore as possible
- idk if this counts but I’ve been pretty obsessively working on an animation/animatic thingie for a while and I can’t stop rewatching the bit that’s done TOT
- Newsies! Yeah no I can’t lie I’m just a bit of a theatre nerd
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Last Thing You Ecosia-ed*: "films including waterslide song" < i was trying to find a film I remembered watching a while back that included the bonedaddys song, I gave up, it doesn't really matter
shey/ther OR shey/hem - a combination of she/her and they/them
These pronouns are made with masculine-aligned and feminine-aligned non-binary people (respectively) in mind, but can ofc be used by anyone in any way whatsoever
*the idea of combining he/him or she/her with neopronouns isn't original, although I don't think anyone has done this (or even this kind of) declension for them, sooo - check out these similar pronouns on pronounslist - hey/hem and shey/shem
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