Albinohai

I would say that on a systemic level trans men do not experience male privilege.

with that said, male privilege extends beyond just oppression by the system and can include interpersonal situations.

some trans men never experience any privilege because they are never perceived to be men.

all these things can be true at the same time.

trans men definitely don't experience male privilege in regards to reproductive healthcare, pregnancy support, DV resources, etc. and their history of having an F on their legal documents (even if all of them have been updated) puts them in the same boat as women in many situations. universities and jobs can often see a mismatch between a masculine name and an F gender marker. sometimes trans men have not updated any of their documents, even if they pass well.

at the same time

trans men who are perceived as men interpersonally do experience some levels of privilege because of it. cis men are more likely to be respectful of a trans man who they perceive as a man (....which almost always involves being stealth. that's its own can of worms). I can speak from experience when I say that the situations where I am perceived as a cis man are safer than the situations where I am perceived as a woman or trans man.

it's safer to be alone at night when people perceive you as a cis man.

some trans men just simply are never seen as men in any context. they cannot experience male privilege because no one perceives them as men.

I still wouldn't make a blanket statement that trans men have male privilege. having male privilege implies a relationship to male privilege that trans men just simply don't have. the vast majority of the male privilege that trans men experience is dependent on being completely stealth.

I differentiate between having and experiencing male privilege because I feel it's useful to make a distinction between the people who unconditionally will have male privilege (cis men) and the people who sometimes conditionally experience male privilege (trans men).

Well I don't like how it feels. I don't feel cleaner without body hair. I don't prefer not having body hair. But who will advocate for women like me, but me? For women who do like hair removal, they are advocated for every time they step out of the house and see 99% of the female population also conforming to that standard, or when they watch a movie and see all the shaved actresses, or view an advertisment, or open a magazine, or watch a music video, or scroll through social media, or walk down the streets without receiving insults and glares for having a completely normal bodily feature.

Taking estrogen is not a transfem experience

Wearing you first binder is not a transmasc experience

Tucking for the first time is not a transfem experiece

Phalloplasty is not a transmasc surgery

Vaginoplasty is not a transfem surgery

Top surgery is not a transmasc surgery

Having F on her birth certificate has not saved her. Systems can still demand further proof of "eligibility." People still refuse to believe her, insisting she is lying, that she is a trans woman, or that she is a man in disguise.

Legal designation does not protect assignment typical cis intersex women from misogyny, intersexism, or transphobic policing of their bodies. It does not prevent them from being publicly scrutinized, accused, and dehumanized when their bodies do not fit expectations.

So when people try to claim that cis intersex women are overwhelmingly supported in their womanhood, understand that this is false. They are asking you to ignore the reality of how quickly society turns on them the moment their bodies do not fit expectations.

Pretending otherwise is propaganda. People use the lives of people like Imane Khelif to push the idea that there is a clean class of people safely exempt from this kind of oppression, that cis intersex women are automatically protected from systemic transmisogyny because they are "really" female on paper.

Being accused of being a man, having your body publicly dissected, and being treated as fraudulent does not stop being that kind of violence just because someone decides you aren't the "right" kind of victim

The moment someone’s body is seen as suspicious, that supposed exemption disappears. They are still subjected to the same suspicion, humiliation, and violence. This reframing uses the same bioessentialist logic TERFS use to selectively define who is even allowed to "count" as a target of misogynistic violence in the first place

> “I’M GONNA GET HIM PREGNANT!”/“the boy impregnator”/anything similar where the joke is that the idea of a pregnant man is absurd, impossible, or outside of the realm of reality.

> Pregnant man emoji reactions to Discord messages.

> Commenting on the pregnancies of real men with anything about ao3, fanfiction, or omegaverse.

Shout out to trans people who don't have cis counterparts.

Shout out to multigender trans people who still identify with their original assigned gender alongside other genders.

Shout out to intersex people who identify as trans despite their gender lining up with the gender they were originally assigned at birth due to their bodies feeling incongruous with their gender identity or to being reassigned a different gender later in their childhood/life.

None of this makes any of you less trans. Your gender experience is yours to define and if you say you're trans, you are trans. It's okay and, in fact, pretty normal to have a complicated relationship with gender.