I hope you don't mind! I'm curious, in what ways do you think joymu mirror shuggy? I haven't been keeping up so everything is spotty for me. I don't mind spoilers or anything.
Hello anon!! <333 I actually never thought to compare them until chapter 1181 dropped. I was going so crazy over them that I had to make this side blog XD
The moment I saw this panel, I instantly remembered this one with Buggy and Shanks in chapter 1082.
It's the way Buggy says "He shone so brightly," and how we see it shining around Joymu as they laugh, with Joy Boy positioned closer to the viewer, making him appear larger and more important, while Imu looks smaller in the background.
It's the "I knew I couldn't measure up, so I let go of my real dream," and the way Imu seems to accept that reality while laughing, despite the imbalance between them.
It's the "You said it yourself, didn't you, Shanks?" and "Isn't that right, Joy Boy?"
So now I'm speculating that maybe Joy Boy changed his mind, and they ended up having an argument, similar to shuggy.
I'm definitely not alone in noticing the similarities. I once saw a Japanese tweet saying, "Imu is basically if Buggy became King of the World after breaking up with Shanks." lol
Which leads me to another point. Unlike Buggy and Shanks, Joy Boy and Imu seem much closer in terms of strength. But something that really caught my attention was Imu's speech about envy and how such power can be achieved.
The whole explanation felt strangely personal, almost like he was speaking from experience. It sounded like he had felt those emotions himself... and chose to take the deal.
So was Imu not always close to Joy Boy in strength? Did he take the deal before or after Joy Boy's death? If it was after Joy Boy's death, then the deal could have been a response to loss. Joy Boy is gone, Imu is left with only the "Void," and accepting the deal becomes a way to preserve control or fill that absence. That would make the emotional angle stronger, though it doesn't explain the speech about envy quite as neatly.
There's also the fact that we don't know whether Imu rules the world because he genuinely wants to, or because he believes it's the only way the world can function, even if it's not what he truly wants.
We know Buggy always wanted to become Pirate King, but he felt he had no choice except to give up on that dream until he regained his confidence after seeing himself on "equal footing" with Shanks.
With Imu, though, we don't even know if becoming king was ever his dream. We'll have to wait and see.
And if Imu really was a Lunarian, there's a chance he once worshipped Joy Boy, the Sun God, and genuinely wanted him to rule. If his god failed him... maybe that's what drove him to the Devil. It could even explain why he asks, "What difference does it make?" as if, after losing faith, he no longer sees a distinction between the two.
And if he really is projecting, then that puts the line, "The world itself rejoices in a state of dominion," in a completely different light.
Is Imu talking about himself here? Is he reminiscing about the happiest moment of his life, when he was under Joy Boy's dominion? It gets even crazier when you remember that Imu was previously referred to as "the world itself."
Why is Imu so angry at Joy Boy? Does he really not enjoy ruling after all?
Buggy was angry at Shanks because Shanks broke his promise to go to Laugh Tale with him. So did Joy Boy ever make Imu a promise too? Because holding onto that much anger for 800 years can only be explained if Joy Boy broke a promise that sounded suspiciously like wedding vows.
Promises are one of the core recurring motifs in One Piece. We have:
So it wouldn't surprise me if another 800-year-old promise ends up at the heart of the story.
(Oda is the one who posted these pics of the imu plush👀)
I also find it interesting that Oda made the Red Line a sort of checkpoint for promises.
On one side, we have Brook and Laboon. On the other, we get the bombshell that is Joy Boy and Poseidon. Then we have Luffy and Shirahoshi. We also constantly see Shirahoshi and her brothers making pinky promises with their mother. Promises were a huge theme in Fish-Man Island.
So what if there was someone up there, on top of the Red Line, directly above Fish-Man Island, who was also promised something 800 years ago?
What could that promise have even been about? Or maybe the better question is... does Imu have a dream?
The fact that Imu was talking with Joy Boy about the state of the world, and the way he seems to feel responsible for it, makes me think he absolutely did have one. Just like Hashirama and Madara shared a dream. (I don't know if you've watched Naruto, anon.) Joymu reminds me of those two even more than Shuggy.
But it DOES honestly feel like Oda went, "Oh, Luffy, you want to be just like Shanks? Here, have your own Buggy. Except he's immortal, King of the World, and about 800 times more unhinged."
It's also worth mentioning that we don't actually know who Joy Boy was apologizing to in the Fish-Man Island Poneglyph. Robin explicitly asks, "Who are you apologizing to, Joy Boy?" and we still don't have an actual answer.
Fishmen don't actually need the Noah, they can breath under the water just fine. What if Joy Boy actually intended to drown the world to turn it upside down(?), and Imu is simply trying to fulfill that dream?
So... was the Xebec and Imu confrontation in the Flower Room really just a Davy Jones fan vs. Joy Boy fan face-off?
Anyways, I just stumbled across the Chapter 1188 spoilers, and they completely derailed my train of thought, so I'll end this here. 😭
I've already rambled about the "they will surely meet again," along with the sun/moon stuff, here.
As for how much Oda chooses to mirror Joymu and Shuggy, only time will tell. It could all just be surface-level similarities. For now, all we can do is enjoy the ride🔥🔥