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Does anyone know if there's, like, any sort of context to the naked bathhouse scene in Brand New Day?
Because the immediate surface reaction is that this scene hit really weird. The in-universe context for why Yelena spends the movie naked in a bathhouse is because it's "her office". Anyone going to meet with her as an Avengers representative has to meet her in the bath.
It's a "Ha ha, Yelena's so quirky!" joke.
But also. You know. Hollywood. Long history of exploiting women. All of that.
The scene just feels so weird and random, and it features a character who isn't really a part of this movie and just showed up to get naked in a bathhouse.
So. Like. It hits really weird.
Did Florence Pugh want to get naked in a bathhouse? Did she think that would be a fun thing for her character to do? Or was the director just like, "You know what would be really cool? If we could have Florence Pugh come in and get some Implied Nudity in a bathhouse. That's something I'd love to film for this Spider-Man movie."
Where did this scene come from?
I don't know. I don't want to make a thing out of it if it's not a thing. It just. It hit weird that the first thing Yelena does as leader of the New Avengers is get naked with Spider-Man. But maybe that's just me.
My pop culture osmosed knowledge tells me that it’s fairly common to use bathhouses for meetings in some parts of New York. Came up in Brooklyn 99. It’s also specifically a Russian crime related thing for the reasons Yelena spells out. Harder to sneak in a wiretap or weapon if you’re in the bath.
So that’s where the context the idea probably came from. I haven’t heard whether or not it was Florence Pugh’s idea.
It's been a bit since I saw the movie but I also don't recall the scene being very gratuitous for Yelena. IIRC, she spent the entire scenewith her whole body concealed up to the shoulders.Not really showing off anything, and we never see her enter or exit the Spa to give a greater look.
If the scene is supposed to tittilate anyone I think it was intended to tittiliate the female audience by showing Tom Holland in his underwear
Does anyone know if there's, like, any sort of context to the naked bathhouse scene in Brand New Day?
Because the immediate surface reaction is that this scene hit really weird. The in-universe context for why Yelena spends the movie naked in a bathhouse is because it's "her office". Anyone going to meet with her as an Avengers representative has to meet her in the bath.
It's a "Ha ha, Yelena's so quirky!" joke.
But also. You know. Hollywood. Long history of exploiting women. All of that.
The scene just feels so weird and random, and it features a character who isn't really a part of this movie and just showed up to get naked in a bathhouse.
So. Like. It hits really weird.
Did Florence Pugh want to get naked in a bathhouse? Did she think that would be a fun thing for her character to do? Or was the director just like, "You know what would be really cool? If we could have Florence Pugh come in and get some Implied Nudity in a bathhouse. That's something I'd love to film for this Spider-Man movie."
Where did this scene come from?
I don't know. I don't want to make a thing out of it if it's not a thing. It just. It hit weird that the first thing Yelena does as leader of the New Avengers is get naked with Spider-Man. But maybe that's just me.
My pop culture osmosed knowledge tells me that it’s fairly common to use bathhouses for meetings in some parts of New York. Came up in Brooklyn 99. It’s also specifically a Russian crime related thing for the reasons Yelena spells out. Harder to sneak in a wiretap or weapon if you’re in the bath.
So that’s where the context the idea probably came from. I haven’t heard whether or not it was Florence Pugh’s idea.
Does anyone know if there's, like, any sort of context to the naked bathhouse scene in Brand New Day?
Because the immediate surface reaction is that this scene hit really weird. The in-universe context for why Yelena spends the movie naked in a bathhouse is because it's "her office". Anyone going to meet with her as an Avengers representative has to meet her in the bath.
It's a "Ha ha, Yelena's so quirky!" joke.
But also. You know. Hollywood. Long history of exploiting women. All of that.
The scene just feels so weird and random, and it features a character who isn't really a part of this movie and just showed up to get naked in a bathhouse.
So. Like. It hits really weird.
Did Florence Pugh want to get naked in a bathhouse? Did she think that would be a fun thing for her character to do? Or was the director just like, "You know what would be really cool? If we could have Florence Pugh come in and get some Implied Nudity in a bathhouse. That's something I'd love to film for this Spider-Man movie."
Where did this scene come from?
I don't know. I don't want to make a thing out of it if it's not a thing. It just. It hit weird that the first thing Yelena does as leader of the New Avengers is get naked with Spider-Man. But maybe that's just me.
Tom Holland has spoken on his part of it. He mentioned in interview that he tried to do "that dehydration thing" where men dehydrate themselves on purpose in order to give them more defined muscle tone, like how we get all those shirtless Wolverine scenes.
Which is, in and of itself, a problem with Hollywood though he makes it sound like he did it voluntarily here. Like he just googled "How to Wolverine Pecs" and then tried doing the thing.
But he doesn't think it made much difference and really it just made him super grumpy all day.
But I don't know if anyone's asked Pugh about that scene. I'd be really curious to know if she had any thoughts on it or if it was just like "This is the scene they wrote for me, let's go do the scene."
Does anyone know if there's, like, any sort of context to the naked bathhouse scene in Brand New Day?
Because the immediate surface reaction is that this scene hit really weird. The in-universe context for why Yelena spends the movie naked in a bathhouse is because it's "her office". Anyone going to meet with her as an Avengers representative has to meet her in the bath.
It's a "Ha ha, Yelena's so quirky!" joke.
But also. You know. Hollywood. Long history of exploiting women. All of that.
The scene just feels so weird and random, and it features a character who isn't really a part of this movie and just showed up to get naked in a bathhouse.
So. Like. It hits really weird.
Did Florence Pugh want to get naked in a bathhouse? Did she think that would be a fun thing for her character to do? Or was the director just like, "You know what would be really cool? If we could have Florence Pugh come in and get some Implied Nudity in a bathhouse. That's something I'd love to film for this Spider-Man movie."
Where did this scene come from?
I don't know. I don't want to make a thing out of it if it's not a thing. It just. It hit weird that the first thing Yelena does as leader of the New Avengers is get naked with Spider-Man. But maybe that's just me.
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The Hundred Line: Last Defense Academy 2219 - Leave It On Her Desk
Day 70. Looks like it's getting to be time for Tsubasa to show up.
The Hundred Line: Last Defense Academy 2218 - Making Good on Determination
Day 70. Today's delivery day! Show me what you've got, Tsubasa!
The Hundred Line: Last Defense Academy 2217 - Code of Chivalry
Day 68-69. Gathering materials was pretty cut and dry. Got all of Tsubasa's requests and all the extra requests out of the way by Day 67.
The Hundred Line: Last Defense Academy 2216 - Approved
Day 64. Overslept due to the battle again but what's more important is finding out what the direction for this timeline's going to be.
The Hundred Line: Last Defense Academy 2215 - Lazy and Cowardly
Day 63. What if we decided that Sirei can go fuck himself?
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Pitch: For over a decade, the city's been protected by a rich Batman-esque hero with his own lair full of high-tech gadgets and sophisticated supercomputers.
One brilliant teenager with a knack for puzzle-solving is captivated by this hero, and spends weeks piecing together his identity and locating his secret hideout through information gathering and deductive reasoning.
She finally locates his lair and goes there to prove her stuff to the great hero! At which point she walks in and discovers the hero's gruesomely murdered corpse. One of his archenemies discovered his lair and got the drop on him.
No one knows yet. When the city finds out, it will be a supervillain free-for-all. To ensure the hero's legacy doesn't go to waste, there's only one thing she can do. The hero must not disappear. She is going to either need to impersonate the hero herself, or find a body double that can fit the costume while she guides them from behind the scenes.
While also figuring out who killed the hero, because they're going to be the one person out there who knows the truth.
The opening part of this is basically the third Robin's origin story, so this could even work as an official Batman AU. (Albeit, it'd need to be a Genderbent AU. But DC has whol alternate universe dedicated to that, so that's not a huge ask)
Yeah, I was kinda thinking about Barbara Gordon specifically when I wrote it, but figured it'd be easier to file the serial numbers off.
Honestly, Tim Drake resembles a Batgirl more than a Robin at times. He's not even Bruce's ward until like years after his debut.
Depending on the nature of the hero's equipment, there could be shades of Inspector Gadget here, with her remotely guiding drones and activating gadgets to help the field agent out.
Major spoilers for Part 1 of Magic Knight Rayearth but I just want to make sure I'm understanding the chain of events correctly.
Okay, so like. If I'm understanding right, it all went like this?
-> Emeraude is the Pillar of Cephiro and because Cephiro is a world where will shapes reality, the Pillar's task is constantly praying for the stability and harmony of Cephiro. This keeps the land peaceful and prosperous and prevents monsters from being formed from the fears and negative feelings of the denizens.
-> Emeraude fell in love with her high priest Zagato and became unable to fulfill her duty because her mind wasn't focused on preserving the harmony of Cephiro. It was focused on Zagato's sexy chin. Cephiro began to crumble and monsters started to form.
-> Realizing that she was now too thirsty to fulfill her role as the Pillar, Emeraude summoned off-worlders to kill her. Which I assume would allow her to then be replaced as Pillar? She can't just step down and promote an underling?
It has to be off-worlders because Emeraude is metaphysically incapable of self-terminating and the denizens of her world all adore her too much to go through with it. She needs complete strangers to knife her in an alleyway.
-> Zagato found out she did that and went "FUCK NO YOU DIDN'T" and then kidnapped her so he could keep her safe.
-> And so this entire time we've been trying to "save Emeraude from Zagato", he and his followers have in fact been trying to protect Emeraude from the Magic Knights. This whole time.
Is that about the gist of it?
Sincere question, are there any superhero movies where a male superhero is pitted against a total weenie loser who they'd be able to easily shitstomp if they could just get their shit together?
I ask because Captain Marvel, The Marvels, and Supergirl all pit their cosmic-powered planet-crushing infinity protagonists against Bob from the office, Bob's supervisor Sarah, and a local gang leader respectively, while coming up with ways to tie the protagonists' arms behind their backs through most of the movie in order to drag them down to a level where they might be challenged by their relatively pathetic foes.
And I want to say that this is a gender thing, that we keep handicapping female superheroes specifically instead of letting them get into punch-ups with the kinds of genuinely powerful threats that their male contemporaries get to fight.
But I'm not 100% sure so I'm trying to think of movies where extremely powerful male heroes were forced to struggle against relatively harmless foes who were made threatening to them by plot convenience.
I can say that it's not an All Female Superheroes thing. There are movies where superheroine leads get to fight against comparatively powerful opponents.
Black Widow gets to fight Taskmaster. Wanda Maximoff gets to fight Agatha Harkness, who in turn fights the personification of Death. Black Panther (Shuri) fights Namor the Submariner.
So it's definitely not "Female-led superhero movies always pit the lead against a pathetic opponent and then nerf the heroine."
I'm just trying to think of the opposite: Do superhero movies that pit the lead against a pathetic opponent and then nerf the protagonist always star female leads?
The closest I can think of with a male lead is Iron Man 3, which does nerf Tony for a significant amount of its runtime. But it still pit him up against a regenerating dragon-man made of fire who can melt titanium with his bare hands and his army of regenerating molten men.
Well let's look at the themes of each movie to see if a pattern emerges. In Captain Marvel Carol is kept weak by a patriarchal, classist, colonialist empire that only sees her as a means to an end. Her abuse is framed through a patriarchal lens that punishes her for trying to defy the expectations placed on women, it's only when she realizes that they were afraid of her power does she stop holding back. In The Marvels what's holding Carol back is her shame, after gaining all that power she thought she could solve everything by herself and failed. That shame prevented her from reconnecting with her daughter(don't lie to me, Monica is Carol's daughter) and tangled up all her realtionships (including with Kamala, who was taken in by her stoic facade), forcing her to learn how to open up to others to untangle them. I haven't seen Supergirl but from what i've read, her powers are drained to symbolize her grief, self-destructive behavior and the feeling of helplessness that comes from witnessing your entire people die. So yeah i think they just used similar plot mechanics to convey different things that just happen to feel debiliating or restrictive. I don't watch that many movies anymore so it does make me wonder if this is gonna become a trend with high powered female heroes or if it's just gonna stay popular plot structure meets unfortunate implications.
I will say, I semi-prefer this to "woman gains so much power that it causes her to self-combust and become a supervillain" which is another worrying Marvel (comics) trend.
Oof. Yeah, gotta agree there.
As we approach the MCU's Mutant Saga, is everyone psyched for a third iteration of Dark Phoenix?
GIVE ME THE DARK PHOENIX SAGA AS WRITTEN YOU COWARDS.
Sorry, I'm not done.
GIVE ME JEAN WHOSE MIND GETS BROKEN AND HIJACKED. GIVE ME JEAN WHO SEES THE LOVE OF HER LIFE KILLED AND SNAPS. GIVE ME JEAN WHO TURNS TO THE MAN WHO TWISTED HER AND MADE HIM GO INSANE. GIVE ME JEAN WHO REALIZES THAT SHE HAD TO SACRIFICE HERSELF BECAUSE NOT ONLY CAN SHE NOT MAKE UP FOR LITERAL GENOCIDE BUT ALSO ANYTIME SOMETHING HAPPENS TO CYCLOPS SHE IS GOING TO GO DARK TO HURT WHOEVER HURT HIM.
GIVE ME PHOENIX ENDSONG. GIVE ME THE SHIIAR TRYING TO DESTROY THE PHOENIX FORCE BUT JUST SHATTERING IT INTO PIECES. GIVE ME THAT SHARD RESURRECTING JEAN BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE LOVED. GIVE ME PHOENIX OF THE WHITE CROWN.
AND GIVE ME THE PHOENIX FORCE. NOT A SPLIT PERSONALITY. AN ACTUAL SEPARATE ENTITY ON THE SCALE OF GALACTUS. GIVE ME PHOENIX AS ITS OWN CHARACTER.
AND GIVE ME RACHEL. IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S HARD.
Pitch: For over a decade, the city's been protected by a rich Batman-esque hero with his own lair full of high-tech gadgets and sophisticated supercomputers.
One brilliant teenager with a knack for puzzle-solving is captivated by this hero, and spends weeks piecing together his identity and locating his secret hideout through information gathering and deductive reasoning.
She finally locates his lair and goes there to prove her stuff to the great hero! At which point she walks in and discovers the hero's gruesomely murdered corpse. One of his archenemies discovered his lair and got the drop on him.
No one knows yet. When the city finds out, it will be a supervillain free-for-all. To ensure the hero's legacy doesn't go to waste, there's only one thing she can do. The hero must not disappear. She is going to either need to impersonate the hero herself, or find a body double that can fit the costume while she guides them from behind the scenes.
While also figuring out who killed the hero, because they're going to be the one person out there who knows the truth.
The opening part of this is basically the third Robin's origin story, so this could even work as an official Batman AU. (Albeit, it'd need to be a Genderbent AU. But DC has whol alternate universe dedicated to that, so that's not a huge ask)
Yeah, I was kinda thinking about Barbara Gordon specifically when I wrote it, but figured it'd be easier to file the serial numbers off.
Honestly, Tim Drake resembles a Batgirl more than a Robin at times. He's not even Bruce's ward until like years after his debut.
Pitch: For over a decade, the city's been protected by a rich Batman-esque hero with his own lair full of high-tech gadgets and sophisticated supercomputers.
One brilliant teenager with a knack for puzzle-solving is captivated by this hero, and spends weeks piecing together his identity and locating his secret hideout through information gathering and deductive reasoning.
She finally locates his lair and goes there to prove her stuff to the great hero! At which point she walks in and discovers the hero's gruesomely murdered corpse. One of his archenemies discovered his lair and got the drop on him.
No one knows yet. When the city finds out, it will be a supervillain free-for-all. To ensure the hero's legacy doesn't go to waste, there's only one thing she can do. The hero must not disappear. She is going to either need to impersonate the hero herself, or find a body double that can fit the costume while she guides them from behind the scenes.
While also figuring out who killed the hero, because they're going to be the one person out there who knows the truth.
The opening part of this is basically the third Robin's origin story, so this could even work as an official Batman AU. (Albeit, it'd need to be a Genderbent AU. But DC has whol alternate universe dedicated to that, so that's not a huge ask)
Yeah, I was kinda thinking about Barbara Gordon specifically when I wrote it, but figured it'd be easier to file the serial numbers off.
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Pitch: For over a decade, the city's been protected by a rich Batman-esque hero with his own lair full of high-tech gadgets and sophisticated supercomputers.
One brilliant teenager with a knack for puzzle-solving is captivated by this hero, and spends weeks piecing together his identity and locating his secret hideout through information gathering and deductive reasoning.
She finally locates his lair and goes there to prove her stuff to the great hero! At which point she walks in and discovers the hero's gruesomely murdered corpse. One of his archenemies discovered his lair and got the drop on him.
No one knows yet. When the city finds out, it will be a supervillain free-for-all. To ensure the hero's legacy doesn't go to waste, there's only one thing she can do. The hero must not disappear. She is going to either need to impersonate the hero herself, or find a body double that can fit the costume while she guides them from behind the scenes.
While also figuring out who killed the hero, because they're going to be the one person out there who knows the truth.
Finished "Part 1" of Magic Knight Rayearth and I just want to say to the author: How dare. ( ˃̣̣̥ᯅ˂̣̣̥)
