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There's a lot of carnivores there, isn't it? As a hare myself, I wonder how many of us herbivores are here, being somehow active in the community.
If you have 2+ theriotypes, answer with what is your main / stronger theriotype right now, in the moment.
For adults only please, I want data from my fellow adults. And care to reblog for reach?
You're a..?
Carnivore 🍖🥩
Omnivore 🍗🍏
Herbivore 🌿🌾
My twisted self-esteem quietly hints to me that there are more open-and-proud carnivores because very few want to be proud of being what is considered prey, and therefore those with pronounced herbivore theriotypes often sit in the closet. Even orthohumans (most of the time) answer the "what animal would you be" question with some cool carnivore.
I'm embarrassed that I'm a hare, it takes a stupidly long time accepting it. Not even a stronger herbivore that can defend itself, like those with mighty horns and hooves. A hare, a creature every carnivore wants to chase down and eat. So, yea.
yknow, I never really questioned if watchers are carnivores, omnivores, or herbivores. I'm guessing they're omnivores, but they don't really need to "eat" in the traditional sense of the word. In canon, watchers feed off emotions and knowledge, but that's not really food. I'm guessing they could eat whatever, if they really wanted.
It's funny how these polls and questions are so difficult to answer to those of us who are polykin. Because it's different for each one our kins. I'm dogkin, and dogs are omnivores. But I'm also a winged catkin, and cats are obligate carnivores, but magpies are omnivores. I'm a prey archetrope, and prey are herbivore, but the "prey" is not a specific animal. Nor are any of my other archetypes.
We keep mentioning how transspecies as a term has existed long before the radqueer & transID communities formed, and started claiming it as part of those communities despite it's actual usage within nonhuman/fictional/unusual human species identifying spaces and objections from said spaces.
As a sort of quick thing to back this up, here are some examples before the year of 2020 (estimated beginnings of the radqueer/transID community)!
All of this excludes troll posting/mockery, and is focused on NH/FICT community's discussions. Some additional content warnings are provided for some of the e-mails, however.
This is not extensive, feel free to show us any other finds (excluding alt.horror.werewolves e-mails, we've already scoured trough everything. There is actually more mentions via that, but all from the same person).
Mentions of term:
01 - "Gender-bender" e-mail, 1999. Included in this section due to the unclearness of if the original author of the e-mail identifies as otherkin or transspecies personally.
[Link] [Link 2] [Archive] [Archive 2]
02 - "On cosmic surgery and personal identity" e-mail, 2005
[Link] [Archive] [Archive 2]
03 - "Da Jakkal's work revisited" e-mail, 1999. Warning: has some outdated terminology/beliefs.
[Link] [Archive] [Archive 2]
04 - "Re: Introduction" e-mail, 2002
[Link] [Archive]
05 - "Re: Shifters: in need of Help." e-mail, 1999. Warning: thread has mentions of an un-nameable native American creature.
[Link] [Archive] [Archive 2]
06 - "Re: Musing of the Week" e-mail, 1999
[Link] [Archive] [Archive 2]
06 - "Re: define were" e-mail, 1997. Warning: thread has mentions of an un-nameable native American creature. (This is the second time we've have to issue this CW. Sucks.)
[Link] [Archive] [Archive 2]
07 - "Re: Fun with Faith" e-mail, 1997. Same warning as above, unfourtunately.
[Link] [Archive] [Archive 2]
08 - "Re: Questions on Were's/Shifting/etc" e-mail 1997. Same warning, a lot of early instances of the word being used seem to all be from this one being, sorry.
[Link] [Archive] [Archive 2]
09 - "Re: Slithering into AHWW" e-mail, 1997
[Link] [Archive] [Archive 2]
10 - "Re: Odd Dreams" e-mail, 1998
[Link] [Archive] [Archive 2]
11 - "Shifters: WereBreeds" e-mail, 1999. Warning: has some outdated terminology.
[Link] [Archive] [Archive 2]
12 - "On the appropriation of trans narratives by therianthropes" article, 2013. Contrary to the title, it is supportive. It does mention the native creature again due to excerpting an AHWW member's ramblings, so thread with caution.
[Link] [Archive] [Archive 2]
13 - "An Introduction to Animality" article, 2009
[Link] [Archive] [Archive 2]
Usage of term for clear self identification (flags and symbols are included):
01 - "Re: A question to everyone out there" e-mail, 1997. Warning once again for mentions of an un-nameable native American creature, and questionable identity that may or may not be considered cultural appropriation (we have no place to say as we are not native). Still, it is an clear account of identification with the label and experiences that'd come to be associated with it.
[Link] [Archive] [Archive 2]
02 - "Chewing and biting (and intro)" e-mail, 1999. The poster at the time of posting already specifies that they do not identify with the label anymore, but used to.
[Link] [Archive] [Archive 2]
03 - "Transspecies Pride stamp" flag/pride graphic, 2017.
[Link] [Archive] [Archive 2]
04 - "Transspecies Flag" flag, 2018
[Link] [Archive] [Archive 2]
05 - "Why I call myself Transspecies" personal article, 2018
[Link] [Archive] [Archive 2]
06 - "Gender: Furry II (Now With More Scales)
[Archive]
07 - "Real Dragons: Transspeciesism" article, 2001
[Archive]
Not only did the word transspecies come first, transID terms were actually derived from it! The terms transID people use were created by trolls back in like 2012 to mock otherkin; I actually have some of those first posts archived on my old blog because I used to collect the weirder or funnier troll posts for fun. Stuff like "transfat" and "transabled" (or "trans" with any other suffix people could think of) were commonly used by anti-otherkin for a while to make fun of the term transspecies, and those terms weren't used unironically until much later.
The transID phenomenon is functionally built on the backs of 2010's anti-otherkin trolls, which honestly says everything about how I feel about it.
EDIT: Found one post so far talking about this back in 2012 if anyone wants receipts
One correction: transabled was first used sincerely. Transabled.org (now defunct) started in 2005 as a personal blog, and grew into a community for people with BIID; I don't know if Sean, the site's owner, coined the term, but it seems fairly likely. It has no relation to trolling, otherkin or transIDs.
An old version of "What is an Otherkin?" on otherkin.net uses the word "trans-species": https://web.archive.org/web/20010221024705/http://www.otherkin.net/basics/what.html That capture is the oldest available (February 2001), but the internal dating at the bottom of the page says March 2000. The word was removed by April 2003.
(pedantry: Usenet posts are not emails)
When asked about my species/identity, I always prefer to refer to myself as a zoanthrope. The thing is, I honestly never call myself a clinical zoanthrope, nor do I feel like it is truly a fitting term. This isn't because my experiences are much different than those of most clinical zoanthropes—in fact they are nearly identical in many ways—but rather my existence as a shifter and biological nonhuman has never seemingly been the result of psychosis. You see, when I hear about the experiences of clinical zoanthropes, nearly all of them seem to share this common trait of having some form of psychosis or other significant mental health issue (usually diagnosed, if not self-diagnosed with heavy evidence). But that isn't me. I hold the same beliefs about my nonhumanity that most clinical zoanthropes do, but I have never had a history of mental illness outside of general anxiety. I tried to call myself a clinical zoanthrope for a while to find community, but it never felt right being in spaces so centered around psychological conditions I didn’t seem to have. Calling myself a zoanthrope (dropping the "clinical") has been a comfortable way to better express the nature of my species.
(For added context, I do not believe clinical zoanthropes are any more or less their species than me. I also do not believe psychotic disorders makes the experiences of clinical zoanthropes any more or less real than my own experiences. I call myself a zoanthrope because again, our experiences are incredibly alike. I only separate myself because I do not wish to intrude on spaces focused on disorders I do not have.)
I was going to leave this post here, but when I reread it, I realize it lacks substance. I've spent a long paragraph comparing and separating my experiences from others without explaining what being a zoanthrope actually means to me. For me, zoanthropy defines my experience as a biologically yet inperceivably nonhuman animal. In a way, it kind of describes my species of being by itself. I'm a fox zoanthrope, which would be a zoanthrope in the form of a fox. Or perhaps it's the other way around, and my species is a fox, but I'm the "zoanthrope version" of that species. I'm overcomplicating, none of that matters. I hold firm the belief that on a physical and biological level, in the most literal interpretations of those words, I am a nonhuman animal/animalistic being. I appear to be human as the result of some kind of... effect—an effect I do not understand nor have proper words to describe. It is, however, nothing more than an illusion. Because I am a biological animal just like humans and theriforms, I unfortunately also fall victim to this illusion. I am luckily able to sense my real body through it and have been working on ways to make more prominent, physical breaks in it (i.e. shifting).
Zoanthrope is equivelent to Clinical Zoanthrope. The term is the rejection of the psychiatrisation we experience at the hands of the humans and their explanations of our experiences hence dropping the clinical term. However the experience of the psychiatrisation is necessary as part of clinical zoanthropy as it is the lens through which our animality is processed in the human world and defines our interaction with various nonhuman communities. Without the psychiatrisation and humans explanations of psychosis or similar, or reasonable belief that would be the case, the experience is not clinical zoanthropy but some form of physical nonhumanity. Zoanthrope is not an open term and is specifically for clinical zoanthropes, most of whom reject the humans explanations of our experiences.
Appropriating our language makes it harder for us to find others with similar experiences and contributes to the destruction of our communities as people misunderstand the terms and meanings. The experience you are describing is a form of physical nonhumanity. You are welcome to be around and interact with us as you relate, but please do not use our terms unless they actually apply to you.
Kindly, Kala.
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just a PSA to ALWAYS RESEARCH HERBS/PLANTS BEFORE PUTTING THEM IN YOUR BODY
did you know that st john's wort can induce serotonin syndrome? which is life threatening (and very painful!!) btw
did you know that red raspberry leaf can worsen hormonal imbalances and irregular menstrual cycles?
did you know that ginger (yes!! that ginger!! the one that's in every other tea recipe out there!!) can thin your blood? which can be life threatening for people with certain conditions
and there's so much more this community as a whole should be aware of, especially when considering herbs to consume or apply to the skin
the resource i use most often is just this wikipedia article, although you should do individual research just to double check
i don't make this post to try to induce widespread fear of herbal remedies/a good ol herbal tea now and then, im just saying that not everything natural is good for you, and sometimes modern medicine is right. always consider consulting a physician before self-medicating or trying potentially harmful substances
because this post has been taken WILDLY out of context, i want to clarify that this post is about abusive and unfounded "wellness" companies telling you to ignore doctors and science and self-medicate instead
i know i could have worded it better, it was stupid! i didn't think about how it could have been misinterpreted!
what this post is saying: do not try to heal yourself with "quick fixes" or replace medicine with internet "wellness" bullshit. don't start self medicating just because some bozo said to do it online. all i want you to do is to not put random "supplements" or "immune boosters" in your body without knowing how they could affect you. i know the witchcraft community is rife with misinformation but please remember to USE LOGIC and DO YOUR RESEARCH
what this post is NOT saying: never interact with herbal medicine or natural remedies or GOD FORBID eat bananas and grapefruits (/s)
At some point, I grew almost avoidant to talk about my otherkinity/nonhumanity.
Not for whatever the usual suspect is, like, I don’t know, shame or want to hide it or nothing to talk about or writer’s block etc etc.
No. I grew avoidant because how much people make nonhuman equate to alterhuman. Nonhuman is alterhuman, but alterhuman is NOT nonhuman.
Maybe it’s spite, maybe it’s anger, maybe it’s “nonhumanity is overrated” in a way in terms of community topic—that’s a joke, it’s always fascinating to talk about.
But alterhumanity is so much more, and a big, inclusive umbrella. And I’m tired of my other identities being a footnote, or forgotten. I’m tired of my friends or fellow community members feeling like they don’t have a space, that they don’t belong, or aren’t welcome inside a space that is theirs and ours and for all of us.
I’m still going to talk about my nonhumanity, it’s part of me, I’m going to make noise about it. I’m just going to put forth extra effort with all my other identypes—hearttype, linktype, vaguetype, kardiatype, paratype, hearthome, archetrope, and more. As a stern reminder that yes, all these identities are part of the alterhuman community, that once again, alterhumanity is so, so much more than just identifying-as-animalistic-nonhuman.
This project was a dream of mine for a very long time. As someone interested in language and literature who also happens to be alterhuman and a furry, I have really been wanting an organized creative space where individuals can easily find and engage with community writing and art. I finally began work on starting ANIMAL this March, and now I'm sharing it with all of you! I'm not really sure how much sustained interest in this magazine there will be, or if it will be enough to even get it off the ground, but I figured I'd give it a shot anyways. It's my hope that ANIMAL can be part of a movement that promotes furry&alterhuman pride, understanding, and acceptance, starting with our own voices and creations. If you're an animal in any way, shape, or form, we'd love to hear from you! The support we've received thus far has been absolutely incredible!!! Thank you to each and every one of you who has already subscribed to our substack and followed us here on tumblr <3 Do you have a personal essay or a piece of art you're proud of? Have you always wanted to try writing flash fiction? Did you write a poem for a class assignment that one time, or do you have a lot to share about a new book you just read? We are looking to publish writing and visual art from our communities, regardless of subject matter: works do not need to be explicitly about being an animal. We accept submissions of all genres from all animals, everywhere. We especially encourage submissions from BIPOC and disabled creators. You can find submission guidelines and instructions here on our blog and on our website!
I feel suddenly inspired to write, thanks to a post I saw. I hear the community needs more writing? About ourselves? I would be more than happy to share, really. I have avoided the alterhuman tag and others due to finding myself very out of place in the community.
I reflect often on how alterhumanity was what preserved me. That ending up as what and who I am is what saved me from what seemed like unavoidable death. Losing the identity of human gave me power at a time in which I had none. I could either accept what had become of me, or refuse and perish into the empty stillness. If I had the choice to be human, I would refuse every single time. I am delighted by who and what I am. Dare I say I was overjoyed by the process of “corruption”, as one born in a religious home constantly emphasizing “purity” and stasis.
But as of late, I have wrongfully covered up that aspect of my life, hoping to wait for better time in the world to be myself. What a fool I am. My strength is in that aspect. The moment you forget what you are is the moment you concede power to those who want you gone. I desired to avoid the toxicity I know that comes with people online, but I am forced to realize there are people who need to hear voices like mine.
And to them, I say: I know you are out there. I know you are frustrated by the expectation to keep things whimsical and palatable. I know you are ashamed of your grim truth and style. I know you are troubled by being “the odd otherkin out” and frustrated that you cannot mimic the expressions of others. I have been here this whole time. Feeling unwelcome for my experience with vampirism, for my own story, for my refusal to think in monochrome duality. I know what it is like to be you. And you should be respected completely.
Do not be afraid of the dark; make peace with it. Know yourself to the fullest and offer yourself love and compassion. Form your values through reasoning and stand by them. Most importantly, I ask that you remember that you are at least loved by a stranger who may never know your name. Know that this stranger is proud of you and all you have done and even just managed. You are always kept in mind as my community. Hunt for that which you desire to make yours, flee into the wilderness which you desire to know so intimately, and defend yourself and your herd.
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Friendly reminder that:
The concept of starseeds promotes ableism by minimizing or denying ADHD and autism.
The ancient astronaut hypothesis promotes spiritual colonialism and destruction of other cultures by twisting other people's mythologies and sacred texts to fit their narratives.
The reptilian alien mythology is based on conspiracy theories historically used to justify oppressing and murdering real people. Loosh/blood/adrenochrome harvesting is just repackaged blood libel.
New Age mythology is chock full of repackaged right wing conspiracy theories, the same kind pushed by QAnon.
It's also full of repackaged racist pseudoscience about genetic superiority/inferiority and the function of evolution.
Ascension to 5D was supposed to have happened back in 2012, and the prediction failed.
New Agers are recycling their predictions over and over to catch new waves of people who don't know the movement's history.
Belief in Atlantis is strongly motivated by white supremacy.
For more info, see:
Looks like it's time to talk about starseeds and the New Age movement again.
How the mythology of starseeds, indigo children, crystal children, rainbow children, etc. harms kids
New Age YouTube channel caught recycling claims of imminent "first contact" for three years
Is the spiritual person a conspiracy theorist? A list of red flags
What is spiritual eugenics?
New Age beliefs that derive from racist pseudoscience
hi, asking, because I can't find many resources on this: What's with starseed community? I've heard that it is problematic and I also saw that some state it is a Nazi thing. Do you have any info (and resources) on what is going on with this community and why is this problematic?
Boy, I admit I don't have much in the way of resources onhand for that specifically; it's a bit out of my scope. I probably can't tell you anything Google can't. It sums up to, starseeds are a New Age concept proposing that certain people are extraterrestrial souls sent to Earth to guide humanity to some kind of ascension. It purports that certain people are born inherently "higher" while others are more "primitive" spiritually speaking, which is already a pretty yikes concept even before you get into the history of this movement and ones like it being deeply steeped in racism and eugenics. Suspiciously, whenever you see physical descriptions of these "higher races," the ones who aren't just bog-standard "greys" always seem to be pale-skinned and often blonde, at least from what I've seen (Pleiadians, one of the most well-known and "highest" races, are literally described as "Nordic aliens" or "indistinguishable from Nordic people").
It's also heavily linked to the idea of aliens "seeding" earth in the past, which is itself a concept steeped in racism and the ideas that a) different peoples are literally different species (some of which are of course "higher" than others) and b) historical people of color of course couldn't actually accomplish anything impressive or significant, it must have been aliens. It's also linked to the idea that Someday Soon™ there will be a great purge, I mean ascension, where the enlightened and spiritual starseeds will rise to a New Earth and everyone else will be left behind (which doesn't sound like the Rapture or like every dream of the Grand Revolution which conveniently doesn't care how many people it leaves behind or kills in the process of creating its new dream).
So. yeah. There's more to it, but that's about all I know off the top of my head and with minimal research (all of which comes up in the first few links of google results for various starseed-related searches). I don't really have any spectacular resources that have all this information in one place, but it's not hard to turn up with a little searching.
Tl;dr, the big difference between starseeds and otherkin and the reason one is kind of problematic and the other isn't is that otherkin aren't generally claiming to be "Nordic aliens" sent to "guide humanity to ascension".
it reminds me of Indigo Children which was a similar, if not related, concept from back in the 90's
Both the Stareseed and Indigo/Crystal/Rainbow/whatever Child movements were also ways for a particular type of middle class suburban parent to lable their very clearly autistic child. It was like the Changeling myth, almost, but in a more "benevolent" new age way.
No of *course* my child isn't autistic, they are a special new form of humanity meant to lead us to a higher state of being ect ect ect
And the two communities, while perhaps starting separate (I don't actually know) did at least definitely become intertwined.
also a lot of overlap with “earth angels” (distinct from angelkin).
and yeah it’s very frequently both white supremecist and ableist. Physical “signs” of bei g a starseed/indigo child/earth angel are often being blonde, having blue eyes, being pale, being very empathetic, being very passive, facing persistent cruelty, and being able to easily “read rooms/intentions”. You might notice that these might also raise red flags for a kid being abused.
often comes with a lore background of being an alien or future being or spirit inhabiting a human body for the purpose of protecting/saving/educating/guiding humanity. They’re seen as paragons of kindness, gentility, and virtue. This often leads adults around them who believe this shit to outsource morality and decision making, use kids to vent to, and punish them for failing at these things.
adults who believe theyre one of these archetypes often have a savior/superiority complex around it and see themselves as above those around them.
i fucking hate these concepts/communities with a passion. I dont think theres any healthy way to engage with them.
Most of this is good which is why I chose to reblog this far down the chain rather than directly from Rani, but I wanted to pick on one thing a little bit:
otherkin aren't generally claiming to be "Nordic aliens" sent to "guide humanity to ascension".
Not the first part, but the second part -- here to spiritually guide humanity in some way, reunite this world and the otherworld, or variations on that theme -- has definitely been put forth both by individuals about themselves and as a theory about otherkin as a whole.
It has, but it’s not the foundation of the community in the same way it is for starseeds. That’s something that’s inherent to the definition of a starseed - not so for otherkinity. Individuals hold that belief, but it’s not an inherent part of otherkinity or even a significant majority of the community that believes that (especially these days; I know it was once more widespread than it is now). Hence the “generally” in the sentence. :P
Going off on a bit of a tangent, but I definitely remember those beliefs being pretty widespread back when I first joined the otherkin community (1999-2000).
Certainly less so these days, yeah. But encountering that attitude early on definitely contributed to me getting caught up in the starseed and earth angel communities for a brief while. (Though even my clueless teenage ass could tell they were racist as fuck, so thankfully it didn't last.)
Catastrophize Benedictine
Practically every other post I see by a fictive is them apologizing for their source, feeling bad about their source, or laughing at themself for just fucking existing in this world as a fictive. Stop that. Stop insulting yourself. Stop putting yourself down. Stop telling the world that you don't deserve to be taken seriously. Stop telling the world that your relationships, your efforts, your experiences are worth mockery. You are worth more than that. You have worth. You have a right to love yourself, too. You have a right to respect, too. You have a right to be taken seriously, too. You have a right to everything that everyone else has a right to. Every time you feel like you need to make a joke at your own expense, remind yourself of that. You. Deserve. More. Than. Laughter. At. Your. Existence.
front question
wonder if others feel pressure in head based on front .
main front pressure is always present , but others conditional . can communicate with anyone regardless of if front or not , so proximity determine where pressure is . and yes , someone far enough back literally feel like pressure in airspace behind head .
for kossai none of this is especially intense or painful , genuinely tune out main front pressure most of time . hellsbands also get pressure , but say all above head - think that difference is neat ! wonder if that also speak to front mechanisms of both this court and hellsbands' legion respectively , and if other collectives have similar thoughts .
We don't actively feel pressure so much as we do a tingling or presence. Using similar colors, this is sort of how it feels for us when we're front/cofront/observing.
Our observers feel like they're "behind" us in a way so we habitually roll our eyes back or look "behind" us when speaking with them.
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I've never understood the hyper empathy approach to other animals and how humans are villainized for killing animals. Animals will literally kill and eat each other, they aren't more morally "pure" than humans are. I promise you that the coyote eating roadkill has no empathy for the roadkill, they are just trying to survive and reproduce like every other living organism.
Please stop applying human empathy onto animals, human morals don't apply to animals.
Now, this isn't to say to not be sad at an animal's death, it's a totally normal and okay reaction to have. But don't villainize humans who hunt other animals to survive, they are as much a part of the ecosystem as we are. Humans are animals, they are also a part of nature.
EDIT: I would also like to add on that a lot of anti hunting stuff does stem from classism, especially in rural communities where hunting is deeply tied to the culture, lifestyle and history of the location.
Not to mention that a lot of folks generalize humans and human activities (which is extremely racist on so many levels) humans may all be the same species but they are a diverse species with many different cultures and ideologies, don't assume that humans are all the same western stereotype of a hunter
not every mutual fits neatly into an archetypal medievalism but there are some mutuals that im like yeah addressing you as “my liege” would come strangely naturally
what mutual is prev
my liege lord
my loyal knight
my wise wizard
my evil advisor
my brother in arms
my lady muse
my wild mermaid friend
my fellow alchemist
my dashing rapscallion
my monstrous foe
