#system discussion

Also, dissociation is a trauma response in itself. Even not having a CDD, dissociation is a trauma response. You can't dissociate without being in extreme pain, under extreme stress, or a traumatic situation. Yeah, lots of people have different emotional tolerance, so some people dissociate from smaller things. Still, dissociation is an exact response to TRAUMA AND STRESS.

To be a system is to dissociate, and you literally can't dissociate without trauma. So, endos are not valid. And I swear to GOD, if anyone is in my comments going "well, I am under extreme stress/in extreme pain all the time and I'm an endogenic system!!!" I'm going to crash out because for the LOVE OF GOD, you are traumagenic if you ACTUALLY DISSOCIATE. Dissociation is a TRAUMA RESPONSE. You are most likely TRAUMAGENIC AND UNABLE TO REMEMBER THE TRAUMA. Because that's LITERALLY THE POINT OF DID. TO NOT REMEMBER THE TRAUMA.

Anyways. Sorry. Needed to talk about this. Syscourse in the comments is okay, just be respectful please.

with this post, i hope to help other people realize how a lot of syscord spaces manage to radicalize people into being aggressive, extremely demeaning and bitter people, by default. this doesn't apply to every system-based discord server, but the big ones where you get dogpiled and then shittalked for anything wrong you do — instead of, you know, being properly talked to like you're a person

no, i don't care if they're "knowledged" in it (which side note: having an interest in psychology and/or theology gives you any right to speak over others or get to invalidate them to whatever preconceived notions)

"oh the topic interests me!" it's still not your place to speak for or over.

With Simply Plural shutting down, everyone is scrambling for an alternative.

Simply Plural? The creator is selfish.

Octocon? The creators are problematic pedophile supporters, and also they hate endos.

Ampersand? The stress is getting to them, and they're "ableist against polyfrag systems."

System Connect? It's a replit site, and AI is bad.

Let's start with this: Harassment solves nothing.

Do I think the Simply Plural situation is shady? Do I think the creator is being selfish and unreliable about the source code? Do I think the creator should just hand over the project, rather than delete it entirely? Do I think it's all a money grab?

Sure.

Am I harassing Amaryllis about it? No.

Do I think you should Support Octocon? No, BUT I understand it's the best alternative at the moment for many systems.

Ampersand may shut down due to high influx, unwarranted allegations, and stress. A small HOBBY has now become a desperate scramble to improve or die trying. The creators made a small, offline application not meant for large systems, especially not large systems that were imported all at once. It's crashing, not because they "didn't account for polyfragmented systems," and are ableist, but because it was never meant to make it off the ground.

System Connect is a website created to track systems, and use its extensive UI to make the most inclusive system site experience they could. Likely by a system not too different from the rest, that wanted bits from all their apps in one place, and didn't know how to code, or have the money or time to hire or learn.

And dozens of other apps, sites, and other alternatives systems are scrambling to may not last forever.

So sure, run to Microsoft word, which was all but obliterated by Google Docs. Run to Google Docs, which uses and constantly implements AI that you can't get rid of. Run to Discord bots, which are receiving such high numbers now, they may collapse from the pressure as well.

This also isn’t saying that he wouldn’t necessarily be plural. Plurality is an inherently inclusive term and an opt-in label that’s just defined as being “more than one” in some way. While I haven’t met many people with OSDD-2 (due to its nature most people with it probably don’t want to talk about it freely on the internet) I’ve met a nonzero number who identify with plurality, consider their identity disturbance to be a plural experience, and seek advice within spaces about being more than one. It’s just that not everyone with it does that.

Anyway, I think he’s more OSDD-2. But people are okay to have their own opinions.

I'd probably agree with this myself, to be honest.

Another thing is, if you don't mind me adding my own perspective, I also don't personally like the interpretation of Bucky as plural from an ethical point of view.

I'm not convinced the Winter Soldier is actually self-conscious as its own separate. If we look at the MCU, the killing machine Bucky is turned into in Civil War (because I'm not familiar with the comics) from the triggers doesn't seem very conscious. It is driven by ingrained instincts.

If we assumed this was a headmate though, there would be a lot of unpleasant implications that would come with that.

If the Winter Soldier state was a true headmate, it could be reasoned with. It could be brought to the side of good. It might take a while, but it could be done. But instead, they simply remove the triggers, thus effectively "killing" the Winter Soldier, or at least permanently suppressing it.

Plural interpretations just leave a lot of yucky implications that bring to mind systems locking away persecutors or trying to dissipate tulpas.

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I genuinely pray that some of yall make the replacement apps yall think will blow up and be perfect because I wanna see yall fall and I'm genuinely not ashamed to say that

Because then yall will realize coding is a bitch and the plural community is full of people who are used to apps with big teams backing them that drop already perfect. Not to mention how picky some of yall mfs are with features

"We need to have chats"

"no you can't have a roles field"

"why can't we immediately import 999999999999 headmates here without crashing"

"why are you pro endo ableist ass"

"erm, you're literally anti endo why are you making anything for the community that's exclusionary..."

"Why don't you have a billion markdowns to make everything cute I literally can't even use my templates"

Get a grippppppppp god damn. Especially if the app is free cause yall realize to get something on the app store you have to pay right. It's why I'm lowkey not surprised there aren't really any options on ios. Have you SEEN the cost it takes to have and keep an app there?

Do I hope these people claiming to have apps in the work don't end up buried under the demands? Yes. But also I do hope some of them end up failing so yall can see how aggressive this community is and the work that goes into them.