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Yeah, it really is annoying and misfortunate. It also is a slight bit particularly upsetting because our system really likes Tom Holland, so it is really sad and unfortunate this is now something that has to weigh it down a bit.

I really don’t think any amount of petitioning or outcry will really do much about it, because really, but the movie industry and entertainment industry really honestly probably doesn’t care much about what we actually have to say about it, and a lot of people will still eat it up because “DID is SO interesting” or whatever people without it say.

With that being said - and I don’t mean this to demean or say anyone is over reacting because it is really frustrating and considering the community is full of traumatized people who have regularly been shat on by media, it is completely understandable to respond strongly and to stress out, panic, and be in a state of fear - we really don’t think it will be as large of a deal or make as large of an impact and damage as a lot of people seem to feel it will.

We hate it, we really do, but as far as things go, I don’t really think it will be much worse than Split and at worst, I think it’ll be just about as bad. Compared to Split, this seems to be on a much less wide spread place (being Apple+) and will likely get less traction compared to split that was on the big screen and multiple platforms. Additionally, the approach it is taking seems maybe... mildly better than Split does? I don’t really know how they expect to have a positive “inspirational story” about a murder / rapist that was not given treatment. The premise itself is either going to be stigmatizing, false, sensationalist, and/or full of misinformation. I also really do hope that they do include that DID isn’t something that can get you out of most legal situations in the modern era and at best will be a hard case. [x] [x] 

Anyways, that is a tangent. Really, as far as things go, the premise doesn’t seem any worse than Split, and it is more restricted in the reach it will have to get to people. We were around and discussing DID when Split came out. We figured out our system stuff while people were really big on the Split train. 

Will it do damage? Yeah. Probably. Will it be annoying and add to how the media perceives DID? Yeah probably. Will it bring much of anything new that Split didn’t already start? Probably not. 

From where I stand, Split didn’t ruin our lives, I really don’t think this movie will either. 

We will still sign the petition, we will still bitch about it, but I don’t think it is necessary to panic too much about it. We will likely deal with any increased stigma or increased incorrect discussion the same way we did with those affected by Split. 

We will try to educate and leave a door open, but if people refuse to listen, judge us based off a movie they watched, or whatever, then really, we really don’t need them in our life.

Anyways, TLDR; yeah we heard of it, its annoying, its stupid, its the never ending circle and yeah its going to bring another wave of stupid and bad questions and increase stigmatization and sensationalism, but personally I don’t think it will do that much of an increase compared to where we already were with the previous history combined with what Split did.

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Split isn't meant to be a representation of mental illness. It in its bare sense is a comic book movie. I don't even know what your blog is, and I don't intend to look through it. Just wanted to throw that out there. Fiction does not represent fact.

Yeah, hi, I’m one of the mods of the blog onto whose DNI post you excreted such an absolutely heinous comment. Let’s unpack this paragraph of absolute horseshit, shall we?

Split isn't meant to be a representation of mental illness.

It isn’t meant to be, huh? That’s what we’re going with? Okay. Cool. But you see, the main character has a mental illness (DID), and is in the movie, so the movie does by definition represent DID. Here, I’ll give you a better example. Your URL is “Count Ringworm.” I’m sure you don’t intend to represent a highly contagious fungal skin infection, but here you are, being exactly that.

It in its bare sense is a comic book movie.

Oh, I see, you’re one of those people who thinks that as long as a movie is derived from some other source material, it’s automatically okay. Or at least, that’s what you’re saying here. But a cursory scroll of your blog tells me that you’re a garden-variety wannabe edgy counterculture Tumblr nerd, so I’m guessing you were one of those people who shat on Twilight back in the day. If you’re going to go with the “it’s just based off of a pre-existing source material, let people enjoy things” argument, at least be honest with yourself and admit that as soon as the source material isn’t something you personally like, you stop defending its adaptations.

Or, as a counter-proposal, you could examine media more critically and consider whether or not it actually has merit, whether it’s an adaptation of something you personally like or not. See, what you fail to grasp here is that some source material is actually garbage at its core and maybe, just maybe, shouldn’t have been adapted into a movie in the first place. 

I don't even know what your blog is, and I don't intend to look through it.

So, to recap: you don’t know what our blog is, you don’t intend to look through it, and yet you decided to argue with our DNI post? Like, why even bother? Why put yourself through the effort of saying anything on a DNI post of all things when you have no intention of interacting with the blog? Sounds like you’re upset that a movie you like is getting called out for being ableist but okay.

Just wanted to throw that out there.

Cool. Thanks.

Fiction does not represent fact.

Ah, yes, the good ol’ fiction doesn’t impact reality argument. Gotta love that shit. Except, it does. For example, the movie Jaws grossly exaggerated the danger of shark attacks, which has led to a collapse of the shark population. [x]  And psychology backs this up, too. When test subjects in one study were presented with a historically accurate essay and a historically inaccurate movie, they believed the inaccuracies to be true. [x]

For the record, fiction impacting reality can also be a good thing! See the positive effects of representation. [x]

Sure, fiction doesn’t represent fact, but it still impacts our understanding of the world. And that can be for better or for worse.

Listen. Fiction or not, adaptation or not, whatever, the fact remains that movies like Split have a negative effect on people with DID. I can assure you with the utmost confidence that no human being ever has seen themself portrayed as a monster for something they can’t control and stopped feeling shitty about it just because someone who in all likelihood has no fucking clue what it’s like to have that thing, decided to point out that it was just a movie, or just an adaptation, or whatever. Because that’s literally not how anything fucking works.

So, in conclusion, kindly step on a lego and go fuck yourself.

-Mod Lia

I suppose that makes sense. A movie can be well-made and star good actors but have an awful underlying message, after all.

In my personal opinion, it’s okay to like things that are problematic if you recognize that they are problematic and are able to speak factually outside of your preferences. This means you won’t stand up for Split or Glass, you won’t support the movies, and ideally you’d speak out against the terrible representation when it is safe for you to do so.

Do keep in mind that this is my opinion only. I don’t speak for my entire system - and I definitely don’t speak for the entire DID community.

Firstly, thank you for wanting to learn. Most people talk over us and tell us we’re being too sensitive or we’re wrong so I appreciate you being willing to listen and learn from us.

Split and Glass aren’t just bad representations, they’re incredibly offensive. They reuse the false idea that those of us with DID/OSDD are criminally insane, dangerous, creepy, and will inevitably hurt people. Not only does this make the general public fear us, but it has caused tons of professionals to believe our disorders aren’t actually real (despite them being in the DSM) and refuse to treat those that desperately need it.

The actors and creators also refused the advice of dissociative disorder specialists, the community, and their fellow filmmakers who all said Split was offensive and would negatively impact us.

Im not great at explaining things so you can check out these videos that give better reactions, analysis, and explanations that I can.

Yet suddenly ignore the harmful stereotypes represented on disorders like DID, schizophrenia, ect. And then argue with the actual people who have the actual disorders who want to voice How that media is misrepresenting them.

How can you say representation matters and then see nothing wrong in a representation that gives a negative light on disorders that are already so stigmatized. Especially in something that was, in credit to Who the director is, bound to be a widely popular platform for a lot of people to be introduced to Dissociative Identity Disorder. Especially if you yourself do not have the disorder.

It disgusts me that people will argue with those who have DID and are hurt by the representation and feel strongly about that. Are there those of us with DID who don't feel as strongly against? I'm sure there are. Some of us may even like the movies. But that does not mean you can erase the rest of our voices. Don't tell us it's "Just A Fictional Movie" without acknowledging that Representation Matters. And that not every person who has or will see Split/Glass will care to do their research or think; "Hmm, maybe all that wasn't true and DID doesn't really work exactly like that."

I made the mistake of not logging out of K's Facebook account and came across someone calling Split an "Accurate Work Of Art". I just needed to blow off a little steam on this.