I just want to check up on the toxic antis . How you doing after last night? How's your evidence because Harry literally said he's not queer baiting, they talked about him being bi, liking ass ( mainly guy ass), kissed a man, AND did a whole sketch about Harry being romantically ( basically sexually) involved with a man and being bi. I'll give it to you, he may be queer and not with Louis but like...after all this evidence and him being so outwardly loud makes me belive they are in fact together.
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For some reason (*cough* neurodivergence *cough*) I like to get introspective about why I like the things I like. My love for jaydick came kinda naturally β a red/blue aesthetic between 2 dorks with canonically strong and complex feelings towards each other? Been there, done that, sign me up. But, like...why? Why was I obsessed with this ship? Why is the pairing itself so compelling, whether you ship them or not? I thought: "I don't know, it's the way they're coded as opposites but aren't really, and the way Jason admires Dick but also resents him a little, and the way that Dick's entire identity shifts when Jason comes along, I guess."
And digging a little deeper, I could finally put it into words: it's because Jason was made for Dick. In much the same way that Dick (and consequently Robin) was made to be Bruce's ward / Batman's partner, Jason was created to be someone Dick could conceivably pass his mantle to, someone he could see something of himself in and trust to take on the responsibility he'd been safeguarding for years so that he could finally go do something else (i.e. become Nightwing). Metatextually (i.e. between text and audience), this makes sense, especially given the logic that Jason needed to be similar enough to Dick for audiences to like him while being his own person so he wasn't just a shameless ripoff. (This logic evolved over time, hence retcons, but still.) But contextually (within a text, between characters), what must that look like?
If I had to put it in a single word, it seems like both fans and writers have settled on pragma. (EDIT: I like the Wikipedia article better.) According to Greek philosophy-based types of love, pragma is the type of love based on personal qualities, a sense of duty/obligation, and long term commitment. There is compromise and mutual understanding here. It's the type of love most associated with married couples who have been together for a while.
What's awesome about this is it can coexist alongside other types of love, like philia (platonic), eros (lust-driven), or ludos (flirtatious). These secondary types are where I see the disconnect between shippers and antis, but pragma is still the foundation, not necessarily in a romantic way, but certainly in the commitment.
A few examples under the cut.
Nightwing (1996) #119-122. I wrote about this enough, and so has frog. Commitment, sense of duty/obligation
Nightwing (2016) #15. Jason and Dick being bros, and Jason being self aware and commenting on their coping mechanisms (i.e. violence). Long-term mutual understanding.
Red Hood and the Outlaws (2016) Annual #1. stealing this from @the-mocking-robin to make a point. Admiration of personal qualities.
Grayson (vol. 3). This one's just fun. Jason feels betrayed that Dick faked his death.
Nightwing (2021) Annual #1. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Nightwing (1996) Year One #5. Commitment, sense of duty almost immediately.
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I just love that Danny is the king of this ship and loves Ryan as much as usπ
YES! HARD SAME!! He knows it would absolutely not be anything close to the same with any other actor. What they managed to create is RARE, everyone wants to recreate it, but as we can see from other couples both on ED and off, it's not as simple as writing Character A and Character B get together. I'm forever grateful that we got Ryan and Danny and that both actors genuinely know that what they created together is SPECIAL.
