Oh my god I legitimately believed so hard Vivienne was canon bi that I tricked myself into thinking it was real??? I did the same thing with Solas but I caught him in time to replace that post before it got too many votes. Remember kids to make polls with your head and not your heart... Anyway I'm giving Vivienne her own button because she absolutely deserves to be here and I apologize for my mistake!
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The Dragon Age franchise has a women-loving-women problem. That problem being, history of their depiction of sapphic relationships as toxic, abusive and deadly. And I wouldn’t have as much of an issue with it, if it was a once or twice kind of thing… but this is a pattern.
Branka and Hespith
In the Dragon Age: Origins quest “A Paragon of her Kind”, we meet Hespith, who shares that she and Branka were in a relationship. World of Thedas vol. 2 reveals that their affair began not long after Branka’s arranged marriage to Oghren, and probably played a role in her leaving him behind on her expedition to find the Anvil of the Void, while taking the rest of the House—including Hespith—with her. But by the time we meet Hespith in game, things have gone horribly wrong between her and Branka.
Branka became so obsessed with finding the Anvil of the Void, that she purposely let female members of their crew be captured by darkspawn to become broodmothers and breed more darkspawn, as fodder for the traps along the way to the Anvil of the Void. She even let Hespith herself become corrupted and start to turn, something that Hespith kills herself over before letting happen; this is inferred in game and confirmed in the game file notes.
Branka herself also is either killed by the player in an ensuing fight, or potentially commits suicide as well, unable to live with what she’s done if the player pressures her about it.
Marjolaine and Leliana
Also in Dragon Age: Origins, once you gain enough approval with her, Leliana speaks of her past as a Bard, including her teacher and lover, Marjolaine, and how Marjolaine ultimately betrayed her. The DLC Leliana’s Song goes into greater detail of Leliana’s past: Marjolaine tricked Leliana into thinking they would return stolen treasonous documents, but instead stabbed Leliana and left her at the mercy of the guards, pinning the whole thing on her. Leliana spent time imprisoned, where she was tortured and would have been killed, but saved by Mother Dorothea, (later known as Divine Justinia,) who helped her escape.
But even before this horrible betrayal, Leliana and Marjolaine’s relationship is depicted as toxic, by virtue of their power imbalance. Marjolaine calls Leliana “pretty thing”, orders her never to question anything, and treats her like she is an object. Marjolaine tells Leliana what to do and when to do it, and the very first time Leliana objects to this, Marjolaine betrays her.
Marjolaine is potentially killed by the player, if she is encountered.
Celene and Briala
Briala grew up serving as Celene’s personal handmaid since she was a young child. Briala’s mother instructed her to obey Celene in everything, even despite Celene saying things like comparing Briala’s dark brown curls to “horse-dung”. As such, their power imbalance runs very deep, to the point where at the beginning of the novel Dragon Age: The Masked Empire, Briala has very little self-worth, and thinks only of how she can be of use to Celene. And Celene hardly sees Briala any differently. For example, when she upsets Briala and Briala has the gall to walk away without pouring Celene tea, all Celene thinks about is how she’ll have to do it herself, without showing a care for insulting the person she supposedly loves.
When Briala begs Celene to let her quietly assassinate a human who is responsible for hanging cut-up pieces of a murdered elf in Halamshiral, to try and appease the elves who are rightly uprising against this horrible act, Celene initially agrees. But then she changes her mind, and arranges Briala to get caught and captured, while Celene herself travels there to oversee the burning down of Halamshiral’s elven quarter and massacre of “a few thousand elves”. This is horrible enough on its own, but then Celene goes on to make Briala feel like it was her fault for not being there to convince Celene not to do it!
Celene actually manages to get Briala back on her side over the course of the novel, convincing Briala that she will free the elves if they work together to get control of the eluvians. And Briala almost believes this, up until she pieces together the final nail in the coffin of their relationship: Celene arranged the murder of all her servants, including Briala’s parents. Why? So that there would be no potential witnesses left to speak of her arrangements in The Game to become Empress.
Briala realizes there is nothing more important to Celene than her public image and her power, so she takes the eluvians for herself, declaring she will use them to empower the elves of Orlais. But not before Celene tries to kill her, further proving Briala’s revelation.
In Dragon Age: Inquisition, Celene is potentially assassinated and Briala is potentially executed, depending on the player’s choices.
Ritts and Eldredda
In the Dragon Age: Inquisition quest “Strange Bedfellows”, the player is tasked with finding a missing scout named Ritts. When the player finds her, it’s discovered that Ritts was spending intimate time with another woman, an apostate named Eldredda. This discovery though, is posthumously, as the player finds them in the middle of a battle with Templars, after Eldredda has already been killed.
There is nothing here suggesting Ritts and Eldredda were toxic in any way, but I wanted to include them on this list because of another killing of a sapphic woman; something all too common in media.
Hira and Miriam
In the Netflix show Dragon Age: Absolution, Miriam is an escaped slave from Tevinter, and Hira is a runaway noble of the same nation. In the first episode, it is established that the two have a romantic history, but Hira left Miriam to join the Inquisition. She comes back to recruit Miriam on a job to steal a powerful Tevinter artifact. The last episode reveals that Hira’s actual plan was to sell Miriam back into slavery, in exchange for the artifact that she planned to give to the Crimson Knight, who she secretly works for. Hira chose to use Miriam like an object to barter with. Despite this, Miriam actually offers Hira one last chance to try and repair their relationship… and Hira refuses, stealing the artifact and fleeing.
It All Adds Up
One or two examples of this wouldn’t be much to talk about, because I am not claiming that WLW are above toxicity; unfortunately abusive relationships do not distinguish gender. What makes it worth talking about is how repetitive it is. The pattern actually outweighs the number of healthy and living sapphic relationships in the Dragon Age franchise, excluding those that are player-controlled. And that creates a negative message on what BioWare is presenting as a norm.
What we need are more examples of positive sapphic relationships. Tessa and Charter from the Dragon Age: Magekiller comics are a nice example, as are Vadis and Irian from the Dragon Age: Tevinter Nights story “Half Up Front”. I would love to read more stories with them, or more stories with other WLW in it. Thedas as a fictional world is an open space to explore fantasy sapphism in a variety of ways! I hope BioWare learns to take better advantage of that.
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Lets be real though. It is a goddamn shame that the opportunity to really explore a) what it means to be a woman in Thedas and b) what it means specifically to be a woman who loves women in Thedas, is never really seized to its full potential. Like, the setup is there to easily talk about how women are idolized as a theoretical thing (Andraste) but treated like garbage in practice (pretty much every female character ever).
And the moment a female character becomes unavailable to a male player, either because she's a lesbian or "too mean" to them? They make the Straight Sera mod and Slap Morrigan mod, etc.
And then of course there is specifically the misogynoir over characters like Isabela and Vivienne and even minor characters like Teia I've seen some real bad behaviour from fans about... Let alone the treatment they get from the actual devs themselves, because that shit is like a disease the way creators and fans just pass it back and forth.
Most of the Dragon Age franchise holds a continuous in-universe debate on the Circle of Magi’s existence in Southern Thedas; whether it should even exist, and if so, how it should exist. A key argument point are the many abuses mages suffer behind its walls. However, among the long list of abuses, the sexual violence is sometimes overlooked or understated.
When referring to sexual violence in the Circle, the first example that usually comes to mind is Ser Otto Alrik of the Gallows in Dragon Age II (DA2). Anders’s Act 2 companion quest, “Dissent”, is about Alrik’s “Tranquil Solution” to use the Rite of Tranquility on every mage in Kirkwall. In his letter to Divine Justinia, he proposes the following:
“The Tranquil Solution is our answer. All mages at the age of majority must be made Tranquil. They'll coexist peacefully, retain their usefulness—a perfect strategy! It's simply the best way to ensure mages obey the laws of men and Maker.”
Notice how Alrik puts an emphasis on “age of majority” and “retain their usefulness”? This would be sketchy on its own, but there is more evidence that Alrik is a rapist.
Confronting Alrik in “Dissent”, the player discovers him about to recapture a feeling young mage girl. She begs not to be made tranquil, saying she’ll do anything to avoid it. Alrik responds by saying “That's right. Once you're Tranquil, you'll do anything I ask.” The implication given his leer is that he is planning on raping her, something he already does to others. A Tranquil woman named Helena and her former lover, a mage named Jaken, have the following ambient dialogue in the Gallows:
Jaken: I've been searching for you everywhere. You weren't in your rooms, the libraries...
Helena: We have no scheduled appointments at this time, apprentice.
Jaken: No! Helena, it's me. Don't you remember me?
Helena: Of course. YOu are Apprentice Jaken. We were once involved in an illicit relationship.
Jaken: Illicit? I love you!
Helena: I am Ser Alrik's now. He is the only one who can command me.
The Tranquil are not always regarded as real people, even by their fellow mages. This is, of course, not true – just because they lack full mental capacity and are a vulnerable population does not make them less deserving of personhood. But the fact that they lack the capacity to properly consent is what so easily leads to them being abused as they are. If the Chantry actually cared about the wellbeing of the Tranquil, there would be proper protections for them put in place, to avoid people like Alrik getting away with his blatant crimes.
It is not just the Tranquil who suffer from sexual violence, though. Any mage is fair game for the templars. Alain, a mage first encountered in the DA2 quest “Act of Mercy”, can later be found in the Gallows. If Ser Karras survives the quest, Alain can be overheard saying, “Ser Karras said if I tell anyone he's been in my chambers, he'll make me Tranquil.” But even if Ser Karras does not survive, during the quest “Best Served Cold” when Alain is encountered again, he will uncomfortably say, “You don't know what it’s like. We're locked in our cells all day, no light, no air. The templars... ask things of us.” Alain is still being raped, just by someone else.
It is worth noting that Ser Alrik and Ser Karras are no random grunts, either. They are both Knight-Lieutenants, meaning the only two people of higher rank are Cullen and Meredith. They have been rewarded, granted even more control for their horrid actions. Other templars are supposed to obey them without question, or the Knight-Lieutenants have the power to strip them of their knighthood.
While the Gallows has the most examples, by virtue of being a central part of the plot in DA2, sexual violence is by no means exclusive to Kirkwall’s Circle.
In Dragon Age: Origins, during the mage origin, you can overhear an apprentice mage’s ambient dialogue: "Gerda told me the templars watch us while we bathe. I hope that's not true." And while voyeurism is certainly not as severe as rape, that is canonically confirmed by Anders to have happened in the Ferelden Circle as well, in a banter with Sebastian:
Sebastian: Did something happen to you in the Circle? I understand there were problems in Ferelden...
Anders: Are you saying a mage can only be unhappy in the Circle if demons were involved?
Anders: No, it's not about Uldred. It's not about being beaten or raped by a templar— that does happen, but I've been fortunate.
In the novel Dragon Age: Asunder, Cole watches two mages of the Val Royeaux Circle have a conversation about the infamous “ghost of the spire” (namely, himself). During this conversation, one mage suggests it may have been a templar the girl saw. Her response:
"You think I don't know every templar in the tower by now? Some of them far better than I'd like." She touched the bruise on her cheek, and the elven boy scowled but said nothing.
Saying that she knows templars “far better than she’d like” implies that she has had suffered from non-consensual intimacy – aggressively, given she was wounded.
The fantasy of a sexually available mage even bleeds out into the common person. In the DA2 quest “Repentance”, accompanying Sebastian to investigate the Harimann family involves witnessing Ruxton Harimann carrying out a sexual roleplay with an elven woman in which he says, “Now, you be the naughty apprentice, and I’ll be the templar torturer…” No shame on consensual roleplay, that’s not my point. My point is that this specific scenario did not come from nowhere; it is perpetuated by the Circle.
This is why I believe it is only fair to call the sexual violence mages suffer from to be a systemic issue, part of the entire structural Circle of Magi. These are not individual errors, but rather a built in part of how the Circles are set up. The Chantry giving the Templar Order complete control over the mages as they do easily creates an environment where abuse can flourish, including sexual violence. This cannot be fixed without changing the underlying system of the Circle itself.
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SOURCES:
Dragon Age: Asunder
Codex entry: Templar Letter (DA2)
Codex entry: Ser Alrik's Letter (DA2)
Dialogue: Ambient remark from apprentice mage (DAO)
Dialogue: Ambient remark from Alain (DA2)
Dialogue: Party banter between Anders and Sebastian (DA2)
Dialogue: Obtaining the quest “Dissent” from Anders (DA2)
Dialogue: Alain during the quest “Best Served Cold” (DA2)
Dialogue: Ruxton during the quest “Repentance” (DA2)
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Okay I have a TON of screenshots and art on my phone lol. Like so much. Just last week when I saw this the answer would have been Gladius @jenn2d2 , which is amazing lol.
But today! It’s Xiqaa @genjyoandgojyoandhakkai
Why is she so grumpy about it? I think we’d have fun! Is it because I’m like your bestie’s mom? Hahahaha.
I got tagged some times but I forgot to note who before I started this, so I’m just passing all the silly onto the rest of you.
It appears that the Heart of the Titan quest was originally meant to include some unique Titan rocks. This is mentioned in cut banter, where the companions remark that they've never seen anything like them before. It's unclear what these rocks were supposed to look like.
Bellara: This rock. I've never seen anything like it.
Davrin: If this is rock, I've never seen anything like it.
Emmrich: What force shaped these rocks?
Lucanis: Is this normal for the Deep Roads?
Neve: Now that's a rock. Are they like that down here?
Taash: These rocks are weird.
Harding: I think these formations were left behind by the Titans.
Harding: Or they're part of a Titan.
Taash: Wait. They're part of you? Sorry for calling them weird.
If Taash is romancing Harding
Taash: Wait. They're part of you? I didn't mean the rocks were weird. I meant pretty. They're pretty.
Harding: No, not me. A Titan, from back when—you know, it doesn't matter. They are pretty, aren't they? (in the English dub, this line is incomplete idk why)
Another cut banter, named "TitanRock" suggests Harding had special interactions with them.
Harding: I can do this!
Harding: Stand back!
Harding: Here we go!
Harding: I got it!
Harding: How's this?
Harding: Let's put this… here!
Bellara: That's still very, very exciting. Every time.
Davrin: Keep it coming, Harding. Never stops being exciting.
Emmrich: Your powers always impress, Harding.
Lucanis: Nice work, Harding.
Neve: Nice work, Lace. You've really got a handle on this.
Taash: That is so neat.
Harding: It's still exciting, too. I think I'm getting better at it.
If Taash is romancing Harding
Taash: You are so sexy right now.
Harding: Thanks, Taash. I think I'm getting better at it.
Additionally, Harding has unused animations named "TitanRock" as well. They differ from the ones used in the game mainly in that she jumps.
I'm not sure if the missing dwarves were trapped in these rocks. But there are cut lines in the script where the companions find a sword in the rock, providing the first hint about what happened to Stalgard and the others. A reference to Excalibur?
I think I found something.
Hey! Signs! Of people!
Tracks. Dwarves… or something like them.
Tracks in the dust. Interesting.
Tracks of some kind.
Tracks in the dust. Might be dwarven.
Yes. Faint lines, and chips of stone in the dust.
You saw that in this gloom?
I've had long practice in the Necropolis.
Getting anything, Harding?
Maybe. Unfortunately.
Fear. The fear of being pressed in. Trapped.
But I don't… I don't see anyone.
Let's see where the trail goes.
All right. Someone stabbed a rock.
Oh, that's just weird. Why stab a rock? And how?
I'd like to know how someone stabbed a rock.
However did someone thrust this through a rock?
That… cannot be good for the blade.
Stabbed it right into the rock. Must be a sharp sword.
Maybe the sword wasn't put in the rock. Maybe… the rock went around the sword.
Wait. You mean…
You mean…
Don't tell me…
Now there's a theory.
What.
If they were taken by something connected to the Stone…
So they're trapped. Inside the rock.
Are they trapped in the rock?
They're trapped in the stone?
They're inside the rock? Mierda.
You think they're trapped in the rock.
So whoever did this had the rock eat them?
Then it can manipulate rock, like you can.
Hey. Doesn't matter what it can do. You're better. You've got this.
Thanks, Taash. But this means the victims might be in the rock.
Also, speaking of rocks, the encounter with the Wrath of Stone was supposed to take place not only in the final battle.
More big rock things!
More of these? Rocks aren't supposed to fight!
More of them?
Harding! We've got more angry rocks!
More of these things?
More of these rock things!
Something is really mad at me!
Deal with me and leave everyone else alone!
The possibility to romance Neve is not immediately cut off if you choose to sacrifice Minrathous. However, you still need to make certain choices in your interactions with Neve in order not to lock yourself out of a possible romance.
Those choices include:
Bringing Neve with you to Solas's ritual
Supporting Neve in choosing the careful approach towards looking for the gods during the first conversation in the Lighthouse (dialogue option: Neve is right)
Completing the Study of Dock Town
Encouraging Neve to accept the Threads blackmail at the end of the Cobbled Swan Case (Neve will accept the blackmail either way on the Treviso path, but will disapprove if Rook tries to dissuade her from the deal)
Each choice grants you 1 point in the "Rook Backs Neve" counter.
If you get two or more points, Neve will note that Rook has shown up for her multiple times before and the romance will be available:
Rook: I want to be someone who shows up for you.
Rook: I don't want to lose… I worry I've lost something.
Neve: Rook, you turning up today… it's not the first time.
Neve: Maybe you're not that lost. More likely we both are.
Rook: How do we get found?
Neve: Maybe we'll figure it out.
If you only have one point, Neve will say that they hardly see eye to eye, but Rook will insist they want to get to know her better (and the romance will also remain available):
Rook: I don't want to lose… I worry I've lost something.
Neve: How much could you lose? We barely see eye-to-eye.
Rook: I won't pretend to know you. But I want to. After everything, I don't know if you'll let me…
Neve: But maybe we'll see.
However, if you scored zero points, the romance will be cut off:
Rook: I don't want to lose… I worry I've lost something.
Neve: Likely nothing good for you.
Neve: You don't know me, Rook. We barely see eye-to-eye.
Neve: But we're together in a fight against the gods. You need a friend, you know where to find me.
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This is a reminder for those who handmake Christmas presents that now is not too early to start. It may in fact be a good time to start if you have a lot to make/your craft takes a long time. You should maybe start it now, whether that's brainstorming or actually doing the crafts!