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There’s a recurring theme of longing in Jaime and Brienne’s chapters, not just for each other, but for the road not taken. For the lives they abandoned in pursuit of what they believed was love. Both of them linger on the same question: who might they be now if they had made different choices?
And the possibility that they might still have a shot at happiness with each other, however fleeting it might be. Eye- 🥺
what’s your main things you’d want to change about the world building in asoiaf and or you’d want George to expand on?
Controversial... but I want so much less of it.
I literally do not care about Aegaegaerynys, the long dead Targaryen who the whole fandom has heated opinions about despite only appearing in a footnote in Fire and Blood. Equally, I do not care about the folklore of the peasants of YiTi who are never going to appear in the main series yet GRRM has wasted pages writing about in various spin-offs. The only thing I may care about marginally is the economic system that would allow lemon trees to grow in Braavos, but even then there are simpler ways to indicate things are not what they seem.
The thing I love about GRRM's writing is his characters, not his world building, and I think his characters are the strength of his writing. I literally don't give a damn about the world of Planetos unless a character is interacting with it, but GRRM has got so lost down the back alleys of "world building" he can no longer even see his main story. I know this is because all modern fantasy is built on the bones of Tolkein and Tolkein LOVED a bit of world building, but GRRM is not Tolkein and they have different strengths. GRRM's characters are leagues more compelling than Tolkein's, but he gets bored of them quite quickly and moves on to someone else, meaning the heart and direction of the story was lost years ago.
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I think that would be so much funny. He wakes up on a remote beach in Jamaica and he only speaks/understands Brythonic and Medieval Latin. Locals assume he was a tourist who fell from a cruise ship or received a head injury and floated away from a resort. The authorities cannot match his description to any missing persons reports and his fingerprints and DNA produce no hits on INTERPOL. They suspect he may be Welsh or French because the language he speaks resembles Welsh or Breton but France and the UK both state he is not a citizen of their country. Stateless and deeply confused, he is taken in by the community near the beach where he was found, being cared for by a number of local families and doing odd jobs. He slowly learns English and adjusts to the contemporary world, uncertain if his belief that he is the legendary King Arthur was formed by whatever traumatic event caused him to end up Jamaica or if he is actually King Arthur and Prydain is in eminent peril. Mysterious letters from Morgan begin to reaffirm his belief he is King Arthur. He must choose between staying in Jamaica and continuing the happy life he has made for himself or finding a way to get back to Britain without any documentation.
He gets to Britain and everyone expects him to sound like a posh noble Englishman because that is the picture Malory painted but he prefers to speak Welsh and when he has to speak English, he speaks with a thick Jamaican accent.
look winds would flat out destroy fandom if grrm released it, book and show. a whole bunch of fandom people's entire identities would crumble around them. that book would ruin lives
the mad king spoilers under the cut! caveat this was truly so detailed and long and at several points I was like fuck there’s no way I’m gonna remember this when I try to write up later. but I’m gonna bullet point it first and then I’ll get into more detail on the bits that interested me most + you can ask about anything you want to know more about. btw the chronology is going to be fucked I’m sorry.
Lyanna opens the play asking the old gods that she might choose her own fate. she meets Howland, and we meet her bros. they have a cute dynamic. rip. Lyanna is to be introduced to Robert at the tourney.
Robert’s tragic backstory is played up to 11 in this, they really focus on his grief for his parents and how that’s led him to become the drunk he is. btw Nedbert shippers will LOVE them in this they are very touchy w each other
Rhaegar is introduced: he is the conspirator at Harrenhal. Arthur and Oswell are his right hand men, and they’ve generally agreed that Aerys is unfit for rule + Rhaegar has been dreaming the song of ice and fire for his whole life, and wants to unite the realm
Elia and Rhaegar are??? easily the strangest part of this production. they are not a love match and never were; Elia is exhausted by his ‘dreaming’ and wants him to step up as a leader. she later alludes to the fact that she wouldn’t really care if he did take Lyanna as a second bride, but she wants him to take his role seriously. she also alludes to having had a love before Rhaegar but I didn’t catch who this was.
Rhaegar is??? Rhaegar is. he’s very earnest and wants to save the world. he’s nonetheless weirdly cold w Elia - they’re cold w each other. she gives birth to Aegon at the tourney and he’s like right. so no third kid. and then dreams of Lyanna
in another story, would’ve found early Rhaelya faintly charming. they dance together in the style of swordplay. later, Rhaegar discovers her in the woods and unmasks her as TKOTLT. he lies on her behalf to Aerys, and when they abscond it’s not shown - we go straight to the burning of Rickard.
back to Harrenhal. Aerys arrives w an open shirt bare feet and acrylics. he’s really fully lost it in this, and some of this is attributed to the trauma of Summerhall (make of that what you will). he and Rhaegar have an interesting relationship?? there’s some level of love on Aerys’ part for Rhaegar but he doesn’t trust him at all. Rhaegar wants to murder his dad straight out but when aerys literally invites him to do so he can’t. this btw takes place in a scene following Aerys’ intro where Rhaegar removes his acrylics and trims his hair to make him presentable lol
Jaime’s story is extremely close to canon in this, so he shows up to the tourney, is inducted into the KG and abruptly dismissed. his role gets bigger in act 2.
Brandon and Ashara are lovers and very romanticised in this. Barristan selmy is portrayed a weird creep in the bg more or less. also this show does NOT care for Barry generally lol he is bystanding the fuck out of proceedings.
Ashara is extremely close to Elia and Arthur. however their stories and characterisations are the ones I suspect most have been spun a bit for the play - following Rhaegar and Lyanna running off together, Elia is literally imprisoned in CHAINS with Ashara caring for her children in the Red Keep. anyway generally Elia is very politically minded in this and wants her children on the throne, with or without Rhaegar.
Rhaegar and Lyanna have an odd relationship as well, you can see in the Rhaegar/Lyanna/Elia triangle that they’ve struggled a bit to make things really emotionally click. Rhaegar and Lyanna are in love but like. on another plane kind of. they have been in each other’s dreams I think before they even met?? they establish a connection because Lyanna just ‘gets’ his song, which is the song of ice and fire and for those wondering, is basically choral Valyrian idk.
Robert and Lyanna are not enemies in this - she likes him and even pities him and doesn’t want war with him. but she’s not into him and we get the canon lines from her about his not keeping to one bed. Btw I really can’t stress enough how much they’ve hammed up Robert’s grief in this like there’s a bizarre bit where Aerys says hey I’ll unveil a to scale model of the ship your parents perished in and Robert is like oh amazing cheers and then aerys unveils a fish tank w splinters in it and he’s like there you are. idk I laughed nice one aerys
god I’m so sorry for the chronology ANYWAY. at the tower of joy, Rhaegar is actually kind of done with the prophecy and it’s Lyanna who is into it. she and Rhaegar ardently believe Jon will be TPTWP. they literally create a red comet in this for Jon to be conceived under, it’s clear they want you to understand that he is at least one of TPTWP, assuming there can be two.
BUT. bizarrely, Dany is also conceived under the same comet. Dany stans are gonna absolutely hate this so I’m sorry, but here goes!!! Rhaella is summoned to Aerys’ room, because he wants to conceive under the red comet and birth TPTWP. Jaime tries to defend her and fight the other KG (including Barry smh smh), but Rhaella (who is very arch in this, not a soft character) says she will do her duty but she will birth a daughter who will bring her vengeance, and burn the realm to cinders.
Ned and Cat’s wedding features briefly. they negotiate the terms of their marriage and then decide they want to bed one another.
Arthur and Oswell (at TOJ) are really impatient for Rhaegar to put an end to the war, but Rhaegar as I say is done w prophecy. Lyanna meanwhile has been exchanging letters with Elia (who knows where they are I forget how) and they’ve agreed together that Rhaegar needs to take action. Rhaegar agrees to go to war so long as three KG remain to protect Lyanna, who is now heavily pregnant.
anyway the trident happens. Rhaegar repeatedly offers Robert the opportunity to yield but Robert’s rage is implied to be a mix of bitterness about Lyanna and bitterness about Rhaegar’s tangential relationship with his parent’s death. you know what happens then.
back in KL. Jaime really disillusioned w Aerys. Tywin arrives at the gates and Aerys is remembering him as a bosom pal, decides to let him in against Jaime’s protests I get my kingslayer scene and I am so grateful. it’s line by line accurate and exactly as I pictured it. aerys’ actor lies on the steps of the throne for literally about 20 minutes after this I applaud him. Jaime ascends the throne, the scene w Ned happens, then Tywin marches in and you think he’s gonna hug Jaime but he actually just rips the cloak from his shoulders and chucks it over aerys which I thought was a fun adaptational bit.
Gregor (who is played by an enormous puppet) drags Elia and her children’s bodies into the throne room. Ned and Robert argue heatedly, before Ned agrees to go find him Lyanna.
Ned arrives at ToJ and this happens as it does in the show. we hear Bran calling to Ned a few times. Howland ultimately wins the duel with Arthur for Ned by getting him in the back.
Ned goes to Lyanna and she gives him Jon, asks that Ned let him live ignorant of prophecy and choose his own path. JON IS NOT NAMED BY LYANNA AT ALL. Ned later names him beneath the heart tree in winterfell, as Benjen says Jon must join the watch some day for his own safety. Cat (Robb in arms) meets Ned with Jon and is furious, storms off.
Jaime and Cersei talk. people from the wings name Jaime kingslayer and pelt him w cabbages. Jaime falls to the floor whimpering. me and several others laughed but I don’t think we were meant to. Jaime wonders why Tywin didn’t claim the throne when given the opportunity. Cersei says the throne is only a crown, Tywin wants real power. Jaime asks what Cersei wants - she says she wants it all. then she says that they should have children together and sit them on the throne. Jaime says that treason, Cersei’s like fuck it why tf do u care.
the show ends more or less with Robert demanding the deaths of Viserys and Dany, and Ned objecting. Robert criticises Ned for burying Lyanna in the North, Ned screams that Robert isn’t the only one grieving. they part ways on bad terms, and Robert goes to marry Cersei.
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actually sooooo fucking annoying how good of a character jaime lannister is. most pathetic obnoxious bratty guy. he canonically peaked at 19. and yet he really is the goat. "there are no men like me" fuck OFFFF WHY ARE YOU RIGHT
It always cracks me up when Reddit dudebros finally stumble into conclusions shippers reached ten years ago. Almost like paying attention to the characters’ interpersonal - and yes, often romantic - relationships gives you a better grasp of a story about human nature. Who knew. Maybe if they’d actually read Jaime and Brienne’s chapters properly, they’d have gotten there sooner. I think there were some clues there about it.
Let’s pause for a moment here please. Jaime VI, A Storm of Swords:
The moonlight glimmered pale upon the stump where Jaime had rested his head.
“Do you believe in ghosts, Maester?” he asked Qyburn.”
The man’s face grew strange. “Once, at the Citadel, I came into an empty room and saw an empty chair. Yet I knew a woman had been there, only a moment before. The cushion was dented where she’d sat, the cloth was still warm, and her scent lingered in the air. If we leave our smells behind us when we leave a room, surely something of our souls must remain when we leave this life?”
Jaime ran his fingers through his hair. “Walton,” he said, “saddle the horses. I want to go back.”
“Back?” Steelshanks regarded him dubiously.
He thinks I’ve gone mad. And perhaps I have. “I left something at Harrenhal.”
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i like when fiction treats love as a more complicated force and not something that is inherently pure or redemptive. portray it as flawed and complex as any other human impulse. give me love as prejudice, love as possessive stasis, love as addiction, love as blindness, etc.
at that, i find it disingenuous to frame it as “if the person hurt you they could not have loved you. that is not love.” just not a productive definition of the word to me
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