Writer - Slave to my imagination

"What are you doing here?"

"Something stupid. Get behind me." He circled toward her, putting himself between Brienne and the bear.

"You get behind. I have the sword."

so like he starts off the video pointing out a handful of lines where he agrees it is blatantly apparent that Jaime and Brienne are sexually attracted to one another. but then we get this:

But will they get together intimately in the books? No, I don’t think they will. See, and this is just my opinion, I could be totally wrong, but I think it’s because they don’t need to. I don’t think it would do anything for their characters, I don’t think it’s that type of story, I don’t think it’s that type of relationship. And the best way I can describe it, this may not make sense to other people but it makes sense in my mind, is that this relationship, which people have often said is the juxtaposition of the Beauty and the Beast story. You know, beauty, beast, whatever. And that story - and that type of story - is more about love rather than intimacy. And I know those things can go hand in hand, but due to the nature of the world, and due to the nature of the characters, I can’t see them having a serious - even a one-night-stand type of thing - successful intimate scenario. I think Jaime would feel too vulnerable, similar to Brienne. But what I can see is an attempt… maybe drunk, maybe they just go like ‘screw it, let’s go for it’, and it’s very awkward, and they’re like ‘no, this isn’t right’ type of thing. I know I may not have explained it right there, but that’s just my opinion. 

I find this slightly fascinating because I think he's actually verbalising what I've seen many other readers do when they look at the facts, and realise yes, this is a romance, and yes, there are already strong sexual undertones - but they cannot reconcile what is objectively on the page with how they personally feel about the pairing, and try to kind of intellectualise why courtship and intimacy don't really apply to Jaime and Brienne the same way they might any other romance.

like:

I don’t think it would do anything for their characters

...... why??? why wouldn't sex do anything for two characters who are sexually attracted to one another, and have a drawn out arc getting closer to one another?? one has only had secretive sex with one person he's now effectively divorced, the other has never had sex and has never imagined that she would get to enjoy sex?? so like..... what do you mean it would do 'nothing' for them, it would HAVE to do something

I don’t think it’s that type of story

there is sex all over the place in ASOIAF. Just a few POVs who have sex in their chapters include: Tyrion, Jon, Daenerys, Catelyn, Asha, Cersei, literally Jaime - so why would there not be room for Jaime and Brienne specifically to have sex?? it is VERY much that type of story.

I don’t think it’s that type of relationship

you said yourself they are sexually attracted to one another and seem to agree it's romantic. so... why wouldn't it become that type of relationship?

people have often said is the juxtaposition of the Beauty and the Beast story. You know, beauty, beast, whatever. And that story - and that type of story - is more about love rather than intimacy

..... i mean it's a children's fairytale so they do tend to leave the fucking out but here's a thought: George doesn't

and I know those things can go hand in hand, but due to the nature of the world, and due to the nature of the characters

due to the nature of.... their world?? where people fuck all the time??? or our world?? where people fuck all the time?? also the nature of their characters, they both have sexualities and desire each other, YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN

I can’t see them having a serious - even a one-night-stand type of thing - successful intimate scenario. I think Jaime would feel too vulnerable, similar to Brienne. But what I can see is an attempt… maybe drunk, maybe they just go like ‘screw it, let’s go for it’, and it’s very awkward, and they’re like ‘no, this isn’t right’ type of thing.

here is what I find very telling, and what I also found very telling in D&D's JB 'sex scene'. I think we are seeing awkwardness imposed upon JB from the perspective of the reader here. like yes, I agree, their first time would probably be a bit awkward - Jaime has experience with only one person, and Brienne with no one, but I'd say perhaps the majority of 'first times' are awkward. but if it's a consensual encounter between two people who are sexually and romantically attracted to one another..... you have to explain, on what basis do you think it would be 'unsuccessful'? what is going to poison this encounter? what is fundamentally 'not right' about it?

Dungeon rat Jaime

Bald (hides nothing from the gods) Jaime

I think there are two possibilities??

Loras has the sword - this has been theorised since it’s mentioned in Cersei’s POV that Tommen gifts Loras a jewelled sword when he departs KL in AFFC. I honestly don’t think Cersei would notice Tommen handing over Widow’s Wail, so makes sense it goes unremarked upon. Anyway, if that’s the case, it just means the sword has to make his way to Jaime somehow - and given the potential ambiguity around Loras’ condition plus future within the plot, plus the fact that really GRRM could orchestrate any manner of things to get the sword from Loras to Jaime (like how he gets Needle back to Arya), this doesn’t seem impossible at all.

It's difficult to ride with your ankles chained together.

asoiaf meme (minor characters): 4/8 relationships ~ jaime lannister and addam marbrand

I am honestly tired of people trying to push back against rightfully enraged fans saying “this makes sense, if you think about it”, because it does NOT. 

In order for this to make sense you have to ignore internal consistency (not just from one season to another, but even within the same season - if not episode), you have to ignore past events, you have to write characters as forgetful of their own past events and those of the characters they interact with, and you have to resort to Deus Ex Machina explanations such as “addiction” and “madness” to explain why characters who were seemingly moving in a certain direction, as grey as they can be, can suddenly flip a switch with the sound of a bell or with one sentence, like they are brainwashed sleeper agents in a bad 60s Cold War movie. 

And we *know* for a fact that this is the kind of handwaving D&D have been doing all along this season, to get the plot where they wanted it to go, against all internal logic. It was them saying that Dany “kind of forgot about Euron’s fleet” just because they needed her to be weakened and Missandei executed to justify her madness (and in that war council full of people, not ONE advisor remembered Euron? Sure). It was Nutter saying that Euron “wasn’t paying attention” when Tyrion brought up Cersei’s pregnancy, because they didn’t want drama over the paternity to be explored. And you can see that kind of modus operandi across so many of the pivotal, destructive moments in this season:

- In order for Jaime and Brienne’s breakup to work, they had to deliberately write Brienne as a passive, weak recipient to Jaime’s words. Brienne who, only two episodes prior, stood in front of a room full of people ready to kill Jaime on the spot, in order to defend him by listing just a couple of his many honorable deeds, had to stay quiet as Jaime listed the three bad deeds that apparently write off his character as unredeemable (one, which he asked and received forgiveness for; another, which was show-only, and yet another which was changed in the show to be about Cersei rather than about Catelyn). They could not have her respond with a list of all the honourable things he had done FOR HER and for others here, or it would have made no sense for Jaime to leave like that. So Brienne “kind of forgot” about the fact that she knows Jaime better than anyone, wept and let him go. 

- Despite Jaime and Tyrion spending most of the season hanging out with Brienne, and Tyrion obviously knowing about Jaime and Brienne’s relationship and being happy for them, once Jaime leaves Winterfell, it’s like Brienne has been wiped from both their minds. Nobody brings her up. Why? Because there would be no way to logically justify how Tyrion, who was fantasizing about killing Cersei as a zombie two episodes prior, and Jaime, who dropped Cersei’s plans in Daenerys’ lap when she was still at full strength with two dragons and two full armies, would suddenly BOTH be so concerned with rescuing their abusive sister from her well-earned doom, instead of protecting the happiness they finally found as a family in the North, with Brienne. So both Jaime and Tyrion “kind of forgot” about Brienne and that’s all she wrote. 

- Cersei threatens to kill both Tyrion and Jaime when they are in King’s Landing, and sends Bronn after them to make sure they are dead. Yet, neither brother seems concerned or in any way angered by that fact, and, instead, really wants to save her. And when Jaime shows up in King’s Landing, Cersei is suddenly concerned that he’s injured, when she would have dropped the keys to Riverrun in Bronn’s lap had he brought her Jaime’s head not long ago. In order to make the (vomit) “romantic” twincest death possible, Tyrion, Jaime, and Cersei all “kind of forgot” that Cersei has wanted her brother dead for months. 

- Jaime sacrificed his reputation to save the people of King’s Landing. Yet his greatest sacrifice amounts to nothing, not only because he’s unable to prevent Daenerys from finishing what her father started, but because, apparently, Jaime now does not even care about the innocent. Had Jaime been true to his character and cared about the innocent and tried to help them, he would have never made it back to Cersei in time, and would have died honourably instead. D&D could just not have that. So Jaime “kind of forgot” he threw his reputation away when he was just 17 to save a city. 

Gwendoline Christie as Brienne Of Tarth in Game Of Thrones (S8E04, 2019)