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A quick Jaime Lannister painting.

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My place is with the king. With my son. Would Tommen want to know that? The truth could cost the boy his throne. Would you sooner have a father or a chair, lad? Jaime wished he knew the answer.
Jaime doesn't realize from what we see of Tommen, he absolutely would choose the former. Tommen loves Loras because he's the big brother he always wanted as opposed to Joffrey to borrow from Terminator 2: Judgment Day:
Watching Tommen with Loras, it was suddenly so clear. The Knight of Flowers would never stop. He would never leave him, and he would never hurt him, never shout at him, or get drunk and hit him, or say he was too busy to spend time with him. He would always be there. And he would die to protect him. Of all the would-be brothers who came and went over the years, this man, this Knight of Flowers, was the only one who measured up. In an insane world, it was the sanest choice.
Compared to the abusive Cersei and negligent Robert, Tommen would want a father who is interested in him, and supports him the way we see Jaime do in AFFC. Of course, Jaime grew up in a family obsessed with power with Cersei preferring a crown to him, his father wanting his grandchildren to sit the throne and disowning him when he refuses to leave the Kingsguard and be his heir. Jaime never wanted power, he wanted to be the next Ser Arthur Dayne and love.
While Joffrey was Cersei's son, Tommen and Myrcella are Jaime's children in that they prefer healthy relationships to power as they suffer for being royalty. Tommen only likes pressing the seal, but dislikes the attention he's getting from his mother. Myrcella got scarred for being a Lannister princess and saw Arys killed during a failed plot to crown her by someone she trusted. My guess is that he'll at least tell Myrcella, and learn the answer is that she does want a father.
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Regarding the post-LSH confrontation, do you think is it possible that Jaime might turn briefly back to self-loathing? Like "oh yeah of course she chose the others, I'm the Kingslayer I don't deserve better". I feel like this would be a good catalyst for a love realization/declaration
Jaime never actually hopped off the self loathing train, so I can totally see it happening.
Re: the effects of LSH on Jaimeâs character specifically, I think the whole incident will force him to confront what he did to Bran in a serious way. So far heâs always justified it to himself and kind of shrugged it off in his internal monologue. He doesnât think about it. But going through what will probably be a traumatic trial in which heâs forced to confront the creature grief and many, many injustices turned Catelyn Stark into, and his own affiliation with the people who orchestrated the atrocity that was the Red Wedding, and the fact that he inflicted the first blow on Catelyn and house Stark by pushing Bran and crippling him (and it was all a domino effect from that)⌠I think it will be somewhat of an eye opener for Jaime.
And while Jaime is having this emotional and hopefully ~ moral ~ freakout, Brienne is also freaking out, dealing with her own crippling guilt even though she knows she did the right thing but her heart tells her otherwise (whether or not Brienne has a plan, sheâll be angst-filled I think), and reeling from the aftershocks of watching the man she just realized she loves nearly die. I almost wonder if Jaime will go as far as blaming her for putting herself in danger and risking her life for him, wretched hopeless cripple that he is. In any case Iâm sure their post-LSH conversations and interactions are going to be pivotal. Iâm hoping for something as strong and dynamic-changing as the bathtub scene.Â
"What are you doing here?"
"Something stupid. Get behind me." He circled toward her, putting himself between Brienne and the bear.
"You get behind. I have the sword."
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no im not even kidding ive just seen a TikTok that appears to reason that Jaime and Brienne are sexually attracted to each other but in a platonic way. that they are into each other but incompatible with intimacy it would be wrong for them. they are a romantic beauty and the best but in a platonic way. DO YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW RIDICULOUS YOU SOUND I CANT DO THIS ANYMORE
like i think some of yall need to look at yourselves and wonder why you are filled with such dread and discomfort at the very idea of Brienne having sex. bc that's what it is, isn't it. you are squicked at the idea of Brienne fucking. you will NEVER see people (cishet men in particular) twisting themselves into pretzels trying to explain why any other m/f pairing is actually platonic like they do this one it is INSANE
okay i don't want to link back to the guy bc I'm worried about inadvertently sending hate his way when I think he means well and is just trying to share some honest thoughts (whatever I may think of them LMAO) BUT I want to share what he's said bc I feel like the cognitive dissonance is just wild and I want to unpack it.
so like he starts off the video pointing out a handful of lines where he agrees it is blatantly apparent that Jaime and Brienne are sexually attracted to one another. but then we get this:
But will they get together intimately in the books? No, I donât think they will. See, and this is just my opinion, I could be totally wrong, but I think itâs because they donât need to. I donât think it would do anything for their characters, I donât think itâs that type of story, I donât think itâs that type of relationship. And the best way I can describe it, this may not make sense to other people but it makes sense in my mind, is that this relationship, which people have often said is the juxtaposition of the Beauty and the Beast story. You know, beauty, beast, whatever. And that story - and that type of story - is more about love rather than intimacy. And I know those things can go hand in hand, but due to the nature of the world, and due to the nature of the characters, I canât see them having a serious - even a one-night-stand type of thing - successful intimate scenario. I think Jaime would feel too vulnerable, similar to Brienne. But what I can see is an attempt⌠maybe drunk, maybe they just go like âscrew it, letâs go for itâ, and itâs very awkward, and theyâre like âno, this isnât rightâ type of thing. I know I may not have explained it right there, but thatâs just my opinion.Â
I find this slightly fascinating because I think he's actually verbalising what I've seen many other readers do when they look at the facts, and realise yes, this is a romance, and yes, there are already strong sexual undertones - but they cannot reconcile what is objectively on the page with how they personally feel about the pairing, and try to kind of intellectualise why courtship and intimacy don't really apply to Jaime and Brienne the same way they might any other romance.
like:
I donât think it would do anything for their characters
...... why??? why wouldn't sex do anything for two characters who are sexually attracted to one another, and have a drawn out arc getting closer to one another?? one has only had secretive sex with one person he's now effectively divorced, the other has never had sex and has never imagined that she would get to enjoy sex?? so like..... what do you mean it would do 'nothing' for them, it would HAVE to do something
I donât think itâs that type of story
there is sex all over the place in ASOIAF. Just a few POVs who have sex in their chapters include: Tyrion, Jon, Daenerys, Catelyn, Asha, Cersei, literally Jaime - so why would there not be room for Jaime and Brienne specifically to have sex?? it is VERY much that type of story.
I donât think itâs that type of relationship
you said yourself they are sexually attracted to one another and seem to agree it's romantic. so... why wouldn't it become that type of relationship?
people have often said is the juxtaposition of the Beauty and the Beast story. You know, beauty, beast, whatever. And that story - and that type of story - is more about love rather than intimacy
..... i mean it's a children's fairytale so they do tend to leave the fucking out but here's a thought: George doesn't
and I know those things can go hand in hand, but due to the nature of the world, and due to the nature of the characters
due to the nature of.... their world?? where people fuck all the time??? or our world?? where people fuck all the time?? also the nature of their characters, they both have sexualities and desire each other, YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN
I canât see them having a serious - even a one-night-stand type of thing - successful intimate scenario. I think Jaime would feel too vulnerable, similar to Brienne. But what I can see is an attempt⌠maybe drunk, maybe they just go like âscrew it, letâs go for itâ, and itâs very awkward, and theyâre like âno, this isnât rightâ type of thing.
here is what I find very telling, and what I also found very telling in D&D's JB 'sex scene'. I think we are seeing awkwardness imposed upon JB from the perspective of the reader here. like yes, I agree, their first time would probably be a bit awkward - Jaime has experience with only one person, and Brienne with no one, but I'd say perhaps the majority of 'first times' are awkward. but if it's a consensual encounter between two people who are sexually and romantically attracted to one another..... you have to explain, on what basis do you think it would be 'unsuccessful'? what is going to poison this encounter? what is fundamentally 'not right' about it?
I'm going to take a guess that there is something about Brienne, an ugly woman who presents in quite a masculine way, having sex with a beautiful man, that strikes a lot of people as 'not right'. I think it struck D&D, even though they had Gwendoline Christie of all people to ease them into the idea. it just flies right in the face of what so many people consider 'sexy', and so they work to get the sex out of it. there is a reason that D&D adapted Jaime and Brienne's love scene the way they did, and it has a lot more to do with their discomfort and awkwardness around the pairing than it has anything to do with the characters themselves. and without meaning to project that onto this tiktokker..... i'm going to hazard a guess that given the prevalence of these bizarre non-arguments, some of that discomfort factors in here too.
we both know that the nights were mainly made for saying things that you canât say tomorrow day
early asos chapter jaime povs r pretty fun
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#THOSE IDIOTS #whose relationship is build on recognition and listening and trust and understanding  #AND BELIEVING OKAY #maybe most of all on believing #I CANâT GET OVET HIS FACE AFTER SHE CALLS HIM âSER JAIMEâ #like he has recently told her about the most important and totally misunderstood (because unknown) moment of his life #that has shaped him as a person and shaped othersâ view on him #but even moments after his revelation it was still too early for Brienne to change her mind about him #or to adjust it maybe; sheâs still aware of how shitty he can be but now she also knows he can be much better than that #BUT when the time passes and sheâs left alone with her thoughts - this is what it takes #she begins to understand him and sees him for the man he might be and once was #and I think that when Jaime sees this in her eyes #the trust she has put in him finding the girls #and the believe that he will keep his promise (look at the little nod she makes) #I think that this is what causes him to literally lose his breath for a moment #and just look at her with wide eyes and GASP #I mean when was the last time we saw Jaime at a loss of words? #Jaime the one who can always outsnark everybody and who likes to do it #but right now heâs staring at a woman who actually SEES him #who sees BOTH sides of him #and who gives him a title with which she gives him his old self back #because nobody understands the importance of a name as well as Brienne the Beauty #and nobody understands what being a true knight means as well as somebody whoâs been refused this title herself #and even if she doesnât understand the impact of her actions yet #this one here is a redefining moment in Jaimeâs life #when he gets a chance to shape his life again because somebody believed that he can do it
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