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He is apparently unable write any sort of satisfying payoff to a narrative arc, so he just skips it. I mean, considering the attempted payoffs we get, maybe this is for the best.
Felix: I did what I had to.
Marinette:ah yes, clearly. I should have known you were in danger. It's my fault. I'm so sorry. Everything you did was justified.
Kagami:Yes, it is as I said, he just does not know how to communicate.
Felix:I'm glad we got that sorted. Now, I need to go make out with my cool azn sentigirlfriend.
Adrien:*coming from the mansion* Hey, anyone know where the Mountain Dew is?
Whenever anyone tries to defend Chloe's botched redemption arc by saying "you thought she was ml's Zuko, but she's actually Azula," I just know for a fact that they have the shallowest understanding of Zuko and Azula as characters.
I mean, I like him and Lukanette fine, but so much of that ship is just "it's better than Adrinette" and arguments that literally always come down to "only Adrien is the problem with Adrinette, so all of that would be fixed if Marinette got with Luka".
I don't hate Luka, but he's officially been tainted for me. And ngl, even ignoring all that for a moment, I always thought Luka was a bit boring BECAUSE of how "perfect" he is. At least at this point in canon Luka doesn't have nearly enough flaws for me to care.
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Tbh Felix kisses Ladybug for the same reason that QOTD and Derision exist- to spite fans. Astruc specifically called that moment out on Twitter as a "fun nod" he threw in for the PV fandom.
Which immediately puts it into the Disregard As Canon pile for me. His various tantrums over not being able to control how people perceive his characters is not my problem, nor should it be.
Most shows are able to do lie plots just fine by letting the writing speak for itself. Miraculous Georg, who lives in a cave and thinks its audience is made up of space aliens, is a statistical outlier adn should not have been counted.
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Re: Felix tried to kiss Ladybug because he wanted to make Adrien look bad
I see this explanation all the time but it's not fully satisfying to me because it doesn't seem like the full truth. And the reason for that is that there was real, non-zero chance that Ladybug would kiss "Adrien" back or at least not reject it. (In fact, it's what I thought would happen when I was watching this episode for the first time). Like, Felix looks surprised after Ladybug punches him, not smug, meaning that wasn't the reaction that he was expecting. I think he fully expected to actually get to kiss Ladybug. Which is why I suspect that his real goal was some sort of weird power play where he got to hurt both Ladybug and Adrien. This actually makes "Felix" episode parallel "Strike Back" better.
Yeah, I went back and watched that scene, and you've got a point. I was remembering the episode wrong.
I know it's been a minute and I'm not going to watch it again bc I'll roll my eyes too hard if I do BUT I'm still confused by the end scene of Daddycop when that grown ass man in a school uniform threatens to expose Zoe's past to her friends as if she didn't literally introduce herself to everybody with "hi I'm Zoe and I PRETENDED to be a BULLY but I'm ACTUALLY a LOSER whom EVERYBODY at my OLD school BULLIED FIRST"
So Iâve heard from someone that Chlonath was a decently liked ship at some point in the past. Around season 1 and 2. Do you have any details on the popular hypothesized dynamic of the time?
They were also teammates pretty often, with Nath wielding either the Peacock or the Fox. Lots of fics in this genre involved either amnesia or time travel, where one or both of them were extremely confused as to how the actual fuck they ended up together and had to like retrace their steps. Hilarious. Nath was also one of the frequent shortlisters for getting a Miraculous in general, and if anyone other than the OG 5 got one in a fic, it was almost invariably him. Which, considering this was before the Zodiac Miraculous were introduced and people were under the impression only 7 Miraculous existed, was a pretty big deal.
By the way, since I saw you wondering how MarcNath would sideline Nath if he was already a side character: it's this. The expectation was that he would become one of the big important characters. Being part of a dubiously canon ship that appears like once per season is kind of a downgrade from that. It's also most likely why Astruc was looking to pair him up with a guy specifically. Revealing that Nathanël is queer is pretty much the only thing impactful enough to overcome that expectation.
I donât think people really understood Misaâs character
(Pretty half-assed analysis)
Misaâs whole point of existence was to represent what a victim of circumstances can become.
Due to how she lost her parents and how she entered the modeling scene at such a young age, itâd make sense why she has a few screws loose. Remember, Misaâs journey takes place during the early 2000s of Japan meaning the modeling agencies are all corrupted (and still are to this day); models during the early 2000s, especially in Japan, were taught that their whole life had to be devoted to modeling or else. And since Misa joined at such a young age, she was practically fresh meat for these corrupt agencies to toy with and shape.
So just imagine that youâre a young Misa Amane, you have no family, no sense of self, and yet, your passion to be loved and seen by the world is whatâs driving you to live, so you enter the modeling field expecting greatnessâonly to be groomed by the cruelty of the modeling world. Misa is confirmed to have had multiple stalkers before, to have met parasocial fans irl and was even forced to interact with them due to her image as the âperfect idolâ, and was then forced to get used to this behavior from fans, which would explain why she was fine when L had touched her buttâwhy she laughed about it.
Not only that, but itâd also explain why Misa thinks sheâs so perfect, why she thinks she deserves the best, because sheâs doing what everyone wants her to do and be with ease. And sheâs sick of it, she just wants to be the young woman that she is while still being relevant in the modeling world; but both of those dreams canât come true, only one can.
Now letâs get back to the topic of her parents death. Since her parents died by a man attempting to rob them, Misa wanted to see that same man suffer. She wanted him dead. and reasonably so, but the government wasnât helping her get that revenge, instead the court case had ruled the man innocent and falsely accused of the murder. This made Misa furious, and reasonably so. Not only was this the first form of loss the world would throw at Misa before the modeling agency tragedies occurred, this was the very event that shaped Misa as the obsessive young girl the fandom knows her as today. She went mad hoping the man who murdered her parents would suffer the same way she did and how her parents did before their final moments. Hence why, when Kira killed him (during her era as an idol since the case for Misaâs parents was prolonged for so long), Misa would immediately became a Kira supporter, because Kira brought her âjusticeâ.Â
Not only that, but she was then given the ability to see peopleâs names and lives over their heads as if some deity blessed her (in a sense she was right).
With those powers, with her fame, and her love for Kira, that alone made Misa believe that sheâs a goddess and that Light is hers and hers alone. And whatâs worse, when she finally met her âsaviorâ (and the fact that he ((Light)) was near her age range and rather handsome) she further fell in âloveâ with him. That âloveâ was so twisted that sheâd begin to show her body off to Light in hopes heâd give her attention, like how her creepy fans would, sheâd threaten him and force him to not talk to other girls, because sheâs never had full control of her life before, until now, and sheâd even off herself just to stay with him.
Misa didnât have a life until Kira came in, until Light did (ironic, huh?). So, sheâs not only a victim of circumstances, but also the doer of her self-destruction.
So, before you judge Misa for being annoying, and obsessive, try to understand where that obsession came from first.
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hii! i don't know if this has been answered, or whether you have anything to say on the matter, but i'd love to know how you would've handled the Agreste arc, especially Gabriel. just an ask to comment on a rewrite you might've done? mayhaps?
lol i waited so long for this ask box and i forgot everything i wanted to ask đ blessings
I have a "Gabriel deserves better" tag and an "Emilie deserves better" tag that cover a lot of my thoughts on the Agrestes and how they could have been handled better. My favorite pitch is still this one because canon so clearly wants the Agrestes to be tragic figures and I like that approach way more than what canon actually did. Pure evil villains can be a lot of fun, but in long-running stories, I prefer more complexity and nuance.
Quick summary of the linked post: remove the backstory of the Agrestes being selfish idiots who messed with forbidden magic and got what they deserved and replace it with a backstory where Emilie got her hands on the butterfly and the peacock by accident or inheritance. The peacock is still broken, but in this version she knows that and is avoiding using it. Instead, she wields the butterfly.
As a bold, but soft-hearted woman of substantial means, she decides that it is going to be her mission to fix the peacock so she became a world traveler. During her travels, she meets Gabriel and they work together to try to fix the peacock. Then something happens and Emilie is forced (or feels forced) to use the peacock for a reason that isn't a magical slave baby, making her illness and Gabriel's reaction to it infinitely more sympathetic.
Yes, I'm STILL not over canon letting Emilie use the peacock without knowing the consequences. What the hell was that? Why would you do that? That's so much less interesting! Same goes for the magical slave baby. How is that even remotely sympathetic? Yes, infertility is sad. That doesn't change the fact that she decided her want to have a kid was more important than the child having free will. That deeply selfish choice kills any sympathy I might have had for her especially since the butterfly could have gotten her pregnant just as easily and without the nasty consequences for her or Adrien. That makes Emilie dying feel like the natural consequences of her playing God. She picked the wrong miraculous and paid an extremely reasonable price. Something her equally egotistical husband couldn't accept which lead to him also getting his just desserts. If only canon had let Nathalie pay too...
Back to the rewrite!
Once Emilie gets sick, Gabriel would go through a corruption arc where he slowly goes from a genuinely good and loving father to a monster over the course of the story, another thing canon seems to think it pulled off, but didn't. You can't have his corruption all be pre-canon if you want it to compel the audience. You need to actually show it on screen! Season one Gabriel should be a sad mess we all feel sorry for, but he wasn't so no one cares that he's dead now.
Basically, I see the vibes the writers were going for and I am fully on board, I just think they completely failed to actually capture those vibes which is why things like the season five ending failed to land.
Btw, I saw you sent a second ask elaborating on this first one and I'll answer that, too.
While we're at it, Gabriel wanting the Ladybug and Cat Miraculous in order to heal Ămilie is also kind of weird, because we've never given a reason why he can't just use the Butterfly for that purpose. The Butterfly has been shown to be extremely OP, and we also know that he can akumatize himself. Failing that, Nathalie would probably agree to it as well. It's why personally I like clairvoyance as a power for the Peacock. Gabriel talks about using the Wish to "erase their past mistake" a lot. If they toppled a chain of dominoes that would cause a bad future, and bringing back Ămilie is a more of a side effect of preventing the bad future rather than the actual goal, it'd make a lot more sense and would go a long way to explain why he needs the Ladybug and Cat specifically. He really wants to be sure, and time travel runs the risk of him moving the wrong chair and accidentally becoming his own grandpa. I also think it'd be really funny if Ămilie was brought back and she was immediately all like, "Congrats, kids, that was the easy part."
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