Lord Panda of the Panda Dynasty

This is the truth. Zuko’s scar is too carefully placed and too old to be anything other than the act of a firebender deliberately burning a child. A child who would have been held or restrained in some way for the damage to be so contained.

So whatever favoring Marinette already got back then due to being the main character got amplified by a 1000 and turned into a #girlboss incel's moral disaster of a paradise.

This is how we are now at the point where Marinette in Werepapas is willing to risk killing Adrien with her own hands because the mere thought of risking a future where he wouldn't wanna marry and fuck her anymore is treated as a fate worse than (HIS) death.

The current "it's not Marinette's job to tell Adrien about the secrets she made everyone else keep from him" is the direct successor to "Chat Noir wanting to be included in this team he's a founding member of is really selfish of him actually".

Like, even pre season 4 there were people who actively ignored Marinette's stalking/ bullying Adrien's friends who happened to be girls. In order to paint Adrien as a misogynist.

..and yet..Marinettes the only one of the two that's stolen his phone, stalked him countless times in each season to see what he's up to, planned several dates and weddings, broken into his house, tried to sabotage a girl cuz she liked the same guy as her. Gets weird whenever he's in the same area as her..and now, she stalked his friend cuz she felt 'inadequate ' and THEN when Adrien told her he didn't wanna go to the movie night (twice mind you) she assumed he would just show up, disregarding his 'No'

What is your opinion on the “Chloe deserves/doesn’t deserve redemption” situation or the “Chloe wasn’t meant to be redeemed and there for what happened to her is fair game” stance?

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My thoughts on the Chloé situation are kinda complex. Back when the show only had three seasons, I did think Chloé’s character trajectory made sense. Sure, she’d saved people when she was acting as Queen Bee, but she still treated her classmates the same. In fact, she started treating Sabrina worse than before because she considered being anything other than Queen Bee hanging out with Ladybug was slumming it. For me, it really was a 50/50 on whether or not Chloé would be redeemed or fall into actual villainy.

Because, here’s how I saw it: I didn’t think Chloé was an actual villain-villain in seasons 1-3. She was Marinette’s school nemesis and a decidedly defanged one. Marinette was scared of her exactly once, in Origins, a flashback episode meant to showcase how much more confident being Ladybug has made Marinette that she views Chloé as small potatoes. The season 3 finale could have been the culmination of an arc where Marinette accidentally causes Chloé to become a villain and ally herself with Hawk Moth in the future.

And it would have been caused by Marinette, even if unintentionally. It would have shown how good intentions can have unforeseen consequences, especially when you don’t know what you’re helping someone with or what they want before you do so. Marinette doesn’t really understand what she’s trying to help people with whenever she does try to be helpful, because she assumes what they want and need instead of asking and listening (like in Reflekdoll, the latter part of Ikari Gozen and Quilt Trip). Many heroes create their own villains this way, and Marinette could have done so as well since she was the one to strengthen Chloé’s bond with the person who taught her to be an entitled bully and then she dragged her feet on whether or not she could use the Bee Miraculous.

The season 3 finale shows Chloé brought to a new low. The following New York Special gives us a glimpse of a Chloé who is withdrawn, like she’s reconsidering her life. This could have led to Chloé deciding that she would have revenge on Ladybug for leading her on and then dumping her (as a teammate). But, it could have also have led to Chloé realizing that, while Ladybug wasn’t her friend, Sabrina was, and she pushed the latter away in pursuit of being the Bee Miraculous holder. Chloé could have gained new insight that would have led her to start working on how she treats those closest to her, finally starting to treat her schoolmates with decency and, maybe, with time, kindness.

Then season 4 came along and all that foreshadowed introspection was dumped out the window in favor of having Chloé do cartoonishly stupid school antagonist character things. In season 4, where this kind of hijinks are so incredibly low-stakes that it’s both laughable to see, and laughable to realize the writers think this is good television.

I think the writers realized this too, because then comes season 5 with the retcon that, actually, Chloé is an evil mastermind who is so heinous that she orchestrated a traumatic event that led to Marintette’s character flaws and therefore Marinette should be forgiven for her flaws and Chloé blamed for them. Never mind the damage this episode does to Kim’s character, turning him from an oblivious to jock to a total creep, it also tries to convince us that Chloé is this big threat despite that it happened at least a year ago in-universe and that she had never done anything even close to this bad since. It just makes no sense when contrasting with the early seasons, where Marinette treats Kim as just one classmate among many and Chloé as a low-threat nuisance.

The problem was that they decided that they didn’t want Marinette to hold any responsibility for anything she does anymore. This is why they wrote the episode ‘Derision’, to absolve Marinette of all responsibility in her stalking of Adrien, even though them making it a serious trauma response instead of a cartoon-logic joke means that now she absolutely should take responsibility for her behavior and get therapy. Because they wanted to give Marinette a retroactive justification, the episode just doesn’t mesh with the rest of the show. But, like, the writing in Miraculous seasons 4-5 is so bad it’s of course never just about a single episode, it’s all about how the Miraculous writers don’t know how to build up arcs that then come to a logical conclusion, which is why all their story arcs’ endings fall flat and leave viewers thinking “where’s the rest of it?” when they’re not considered one of the worst finales for a show.

Basically, making Chloé a villain could have worked, but it would have required her getting built up into such a status. The Chloé of seasons 1-3 isn’t a monster, she’s a brat. But the writers didn’t want to do that work despite wanting that story, thinking some repetitive episodes of Chloé being a brat some more will accomplish the same thing. So, Chloé just keeps performing petty bullying until the writers think the viewers forgot that she’s like this because of her mother, who Marinette reunited her with, all the while pretending the woman who calls her by the wrong name to her face on purpose has done nothing wrong as a parent other than “leave”, before she randomly turns on Miss Bustier and starts working with Hawk Moth for supposedly no reason in Collusion.

Aro laughed. “Ha ha ha,” he giggled.

“Don’t worry, we’ll find you a teacher. There are plenty of amazing earthbenders out there.“

“Not like her.”

Mai's family is also part of the old pro-war elite, and we've never been given any indication that she disagrees with them. In fact, we've been shown the opposite. "You're betraying your country!", anyone? Mai doesn't share Zuko's views. Her support of him would boil down entirely to "he's my boyfriend", and that arrangement isn't sustainable. She's a politically fraught choice who would send the wrong message both in and outside the FN, and we know she dislikes doing the kind of political maneuvering she'd have to do to clean up that image.

Sincerely netflix, whatever you’re doing I’m all for it.

Add on: somebody said ‘me thinking it was a wedding shoot 😭’ in the comments section.