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I hate seeing ZukAang be used as a gotcha to Zutara
People want Zuko n Katara to not interact so bad that they use ZukAang as a “Zuko loves Aang more than Katara!”
It’s even gotten to Zutaraang where Aang is the one the two are fighting for only.
It’s just embarrassing as someone who’s loved all three ships during some point in my life :(
Exactly. I like all three ships, but too many people use the other two as a way to neutralize zutara.
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Someone is never beating the self insert allegations...
I do not want to hear about Bryan talking about how hot he thinks Aang is.
Also, if Aang is not yet the Avatar he needs to be, and he's dead in LoK, when does he actually become the Avatar? This movie was supposed to be his moment?
Seems to me that Bryke is trying to address Aang’s problematic behavior in ATLA show/comics/LOK by continuing to demonstrate how immature and selfish and inconsiderate he still is at the age of 25… but promising to the fans “don’t worry! Aang will grow up at some point. He’s just going through a lot right now. Go easy on him.” … Kind of like how some women believe that, once they marry that goofy carefree childlike guy, they’ll finally step up and be the mature, calm and emotionally-collected partner who can also raise some kids?
😣
Also, I never really saw Aang as being vain enough to deprive half the world of its tofu supply all for a 12-pack of abs and swimmers’ shoulders… but it seems like Bryke really wanted to emphasize that Katara would’ve never left Aang for a hot guy with definitely-no-chest-scar because nobody is hotter than Aang now. 🤷🏽♀️
It also seems like a statement designed to market more content to us. "The story isn't over yet, guys! Promise! We definitely aren't trying to milk the rotten, dried corpse of this franchise!"
precipice between adolescence and adulthood, at 25. You know, we let 18 year olds join the military so they can shoot guns and people and operate million dollar pieces of machinery, and we're not even a society in the middle of an industrial revolution where the concept of a modern teenage wouldn't even exist.
The thing is, as an adult who is older than 25 I do think 25 year olds are grown children, not in the "everything is pedophilia" tumblr way, but in the sense that I was stupid at that age. But the reason Bryke are saying it is so they can market more story to us. Which is funny because they always said that the story was concluded and there were never any plans to continue it when book four was brought up.
I can't believe Bryke spent 20+ years coming up with ways to make Kataang worse every time they make a new project.
An accomplishment truly.
I'm honestly impressed at this point.
Katara hating Zuko, especially in the context of zukka, is one of the most bizarre things to come out of the fandom, honestly. If Zuko and Sokka had romantic feelings for each other, Katara would know it before they did. Unfortunately, they don't.
If Sokka found out about the two times that A.ang force-kissed Katara you can't convince me that Sokka wouldn't beat his ass.
When Aang asked Sokka for advice in the Fortuneteller and Sokka told him that the best way to get a girl's attention was to act aloof, I think that conversation would have been very different if Sokka knew the girl was Katara.
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Apparently, they don't like that Katara is forcefully shipped; only when she is forcefully kissed! As long as it's their fav.
Make up your minds, did she reject him or not?
(I don't even want to talk about this. Godamnit)
It's only okay to ship one character with another (even when they already have a partner) if it's my favorite ship; otherwise, they're fake and annoying fans!!
I think these are just a few examples of the hypocrisy in this fandom. Remember to ship themes that YOU yourself decided were problematic as long as they're gay or canon!
I always thought the Kataang fandom used to interpret that scene as a mistake Aang made and got annoyed with the Zutarians whenever someone complained in the same way I usually get annoyed when someone complains about Zuko, like "omgg, he already made up for his shit, leave him alone." Not that they genuinely believed that shit was okay. That she was simply "surprised and didn't know how to react 🥺🥺"
She literally yelled at him, "I TOLD YOU I WAS CONFUSED," and you think that wasn't a "no"? That it was simply unexpected and that's why she didn't reciprocate? As if she is going to accept kisses every time he wanted them?
Why is the picture of Katara being "forcefully shipped" (whatever that means) a picture of her tenderly touching his cheek? Looks like they're about to kiss, to me.
Azula is a dangerous friend to have as a girl.
Yes you read it right and no I'm not kidding. Azula is by far the most dangerous kind of female friend ANY girl can have.
This is exemplified in The Beach episode where both Azula and Mai show their ass but I'll start off with Azula first.
The girls and Zuko are at the Beach at Ember Island. Ty Lee is getting a lot of attention from the boys at the beach because of her appearance and Azula is not happy about it.
This girl is a princess who's been catered to her entire life but the moment the attention isn't on her but on Ty Lee instead, Azula gets upsetty. I feel the need to explain that this jealous behavior isn't a general thing but a Ty Lee exclusive thing.
When Azula couldn't do cartwheels as a child but Ty Lee could, Azula's response was to push her down. She doesn't act this way towards Mai who also gets a decent amount of male attention during this episode. It's strictly about Ty Lee.
The girls and Zuko go to a party and are socializing. Mai is alone and Zuko is getting Mai food. What about Ty Lee?
Oh nothing, she's just getting sexually harassed by multiple dudes while hemmed up in a corner.
This scene didn't bother me as a child because I was unaware of the implications. But looking back as an older person, this episode now disgusts me. Not because of this scene exclusively but because of how under-protected Ty Lee was. Where the hell was her friends when this went down? Where the hell was ANYONE?!
Ty Lee had nowhere to go and did the only thing she did to feel safe. Fawning
The fawn response is a type of people-pleasing behavior present in stressful circumstances or triggered by situations involving coercive con
This is the link to what I'll be using as proof of Ty Lee exhibiting these behaviors.
“Difficulty saying no or setting boundaries.”
In the picture I showed above, Ty Lee caters to the ego of the boys surrounding her, trying to let them down easy.
“Hyper awareness: Constantly scanning the room to gauge and manage the emotions and moods of those around you.”
Ty Lee is in distress and looking around. Waving her hands when she realizes they're getting more upset.
And she's forced to defend herself when words don't work. Zuko was walking around in the food section and Mai was alone doing whatever. So that leaves Azula. What was Azula doing?
Azula was watching this happen. She saw her female friend, pinned in a corner, harassed by boys and did nothing.
You can make the argument that Azula didn't know and she was probably looking at Ty Lee because she was approaching her. Okay cool.
Here we go, Ty Lee just admitted to being sexually harassed by a group of guys. We can't make the argument that Azula wasn't aware because she has now been made aware.
How does Azula handle this situation?
Well would you look at that. Azula decides to criticize Ty Lee by calling her "easy." How is being easy a bad thing? Shouldn't women be willing participants in their relationships? Why is that a failure on Ty Lee's part?
We must also address the slut shaming that Azula is doing.
Azula is doing the victim blaming half. She tells Ty Lee that it's her own fault for being "too friendly" with the opposite sex and she should've been more difficult.
Ty Lee was excited to see Azula but is how reduced to tears by the lack of emotional support.
Azula tells Ty Lee to calm down and that she didn't mean what she said. Azula stans and Tyzula shippers praise this scene because they believe that this is Azula's version of apologizing, something she never does. Except this isn't Azula bestowing an apology onto Ty Lee, no, this is Azula making herself the center of attention yet again.
Azula admits to slut shaming Ty Lee out of, you guessed it.
✨ JEALOUSY ✨
The writers ignore what happened to Ty Lee and instead centers Azula's desperate need for male attention. Ty Lee has to push aside her own issues and make Azula "desirable" by teaching her how to flirt. Azula runs off and kisses the boy she wants and Ty Lee is left alone yet again.
A jealous, male centered friend is a dangerous friend to have. Avoid the Azula type at all costs.
(Tumblr won't allow me to put more pictures so there's gonna be a part two. Stay tuned.)
That scene where Ty Lee is cornered by the guys is so uncomfortable because I'm absolutely sure the intention was to portray her as a tease.
And I think the reason Azula is not jealous of Mai is because Mai's more downcast demeanor has no chance of showing up Azula. Although I do think young Azula was jealous of Zuko having Mai's attention in that one scene. Azula can't stand not being the center of attention, and this scene is one of the reasons I hate it when people act like Azula is a feminist.
I do think that we are supposed to understand that Azula is treating Ty Lee horribly by turning things back on herself, and that Azula is being really self-centered in this scene, but I also think the writers agree with Azula's slut shaming of Ty Lee.
fake zuko enjoyer checklist
1. i love him but—
2. zuko is aang’s number one glazer
3. *abuse joke*
4. *victim blaming*
5. poor helpless azula—
6. *throw him under the bus for old chinstrap*
7. for the “doomed siblings””poor azula deserved—“ variety of fake zuko fan: *kiyi hate for no reason other than the fact that she feels like the child character is stealing a role from azula that azula herself never wanted or the fact that kiyi character isn’t fully centered around propping up azula like they think every character should*
8. no you guys just don’t get it, zuko was a fascist and therefore needs to be “humbled” by this other fascist who did fuck all the entire show to make up for it and had to be made into a completely different person in the comics to fix it
9. REAL zuko stans bully him💯
"Why like Zutara when Z.ukka is right THERE!?"
If I read another fuckass comment like this, im starting my villain arc.
I mean, I guess zukka is right there, but you gotta have a microscope to see it.
I think people who say “Zutara is fine but I don’t like (specific hc or AU) so I hate the ship” don’t actually want to be respectful.
It’s usually less about “I can’t like Zutara” and “I don’t want to like Zutara” because it’s a huge fandom. If you don’t like Fire Lady Katara, great, there’s a section for you here. You don’t think there’s enough time in canon? We have thousands of post-canon AUs.
But that’s just a guess.
Yeah, a lot of people like this ship zutara, but don't want to be associated with the fandom, usually for misogynistic reasons. You hit the nail on the head on how it's often about "I don't want to like zutara / don't want to be associated with this specific stereotype I have about it."
And then they'll wonder why the fandom doesn't give them a cookie for their super special unique opinions.
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The anti-zutara sentiment of "they hated each other/they were never even friends/they barely interacted except for when they were trying to kill each other" will always be funny to me.
Because aside from the fact that it is just. Blatantly untrue. There will be people who will unironically say things like "literally all he did was jump in front of lightning for her. 🙄 Why are you people so delusional." And it's like, my guy. Do you hear how you sound right now.
All they did was go on a journey together to track down her mother's killer after he sought forgiveness for betraying her, thus completing the arc of redemption and forgiveness that began when she offered to heal his scar. You know, they barely interact.
I got a very niche question. Let’s say hypothetical Zuko and Katara got married and he essentially “adopts” Bumi, Kya and Tenzin. Would they get titles or like what’s the situation with that I guess not but also I’m not sure? What the fandom’s opinion on this?
I think they would not automatically become princes and princesses but he could declare them as such.
It wouldn't work for a number of reasons but there is potentially a really funny Zutara fanfic in the idea of Katara-as-the-Painted-Lady asking her mysterious new ally and vigilante partner the Blue Spirit for help finding the enterence to the Library. Zuko agrees because he thinks it'll give him a good chance to snatch Aang (or so he tells himself) he ends up going into the Library too for... reasons. There he talks to Roku, learns about his bloodline, Sozin's Comet, and that his father really is THAT CRAZY. And that (plus other things) is enough to convince Zuko to disavow his father completely and join the Team Avatar. Unfortunately, his mask gets knocked off while they're all trying to escape but at that point they have a giant owl trying to eat them so they agree to table the discussion of Zuko's new moral alignment.
They also have to deal with Zuko yelling at the giant owl who is trying to eat them because he's trying to dress it down for not taking a moral stance in the war like wow people are DYING what do you MEAN? And the gaang is like well I guess he really does have good in him after all. No, Zuko that's too much good, you're going to die.
I feel like TSR would have had the exact same result without Aang's intervention. I don't think Aang's "advice" for Katara had any influence at all on her decision to not kill Yon Rha.
It just showed us that Zuko understood Katara's needs better than Aang and that Aang didn't trust her to make the right choice.
Exacty! She didn't choose not to kill Yon Rah because she forgave him, or saw the sanctity of his life, or whatever nonsense Aang was peddling. She chose not to forgive him because he was pathetic. Had he made any move towards defending himself, that would have been the end of Yon Rah. She says it, out loud, in the end that Aang was wrong about what she needed, and she was right. She didn't need to kill Yon Rah, or forgive him. What she needed was to confront him- confront her biggest trauma and realize she was stronger than it. Just like Zuko needed to confront Ozai. Aang wouldn't understand that, though, because Aang has never actually had to confront any of his trauma. Any time he got close, the narrative shielded him from the weight of it.
I think the biggest change if Aang had been just somewhere offscreen with Toph during the episode is that Katara would be less pissed off about the whole thing, and would be less angry, less likely to commit violence because now no one is pushing forgiveness on her and making her feel like she isn't being understood (she straight up told Aang he didn't understand, it doesn't matter if you think Aang does, Katara does not feel understood), and then when she got back, she still would not have killed or forgiven, but she'd be less sad and confused and more confident that she'd made the right decision because she doesn't have to face Aang judging her anymore. That's a net positive.
my headcanon for Aang being an uncle to Zutara's steambabies is that he'd draw arrows on the baby to be funny (and it is funny) and then play around with them pretending to make them fly around and airbend with swooshy sound effects and subsequently get himself banned from babysitting alone bc he accidentally used ink that takes days to wash off so Fire Lord Zuko and Fire Lady Katara had to act serious and diplomatic while carrying around their baby with airbender tattoos drawn on their head, AND they were posing for a family portrait the next day.
Decades later some historian uncovers this portrait and is like "hm, we know firelord Zuko and fire lady Katara were friends with Avatar Aang, but who knew that Avatar Aang was in fact a baby?"
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Hi,
Hope you are doing well.
Regarding the Taga subplot, with Aang wanting to reconnect with the guy because he was an "airbender" (I know he is lying as per the leaks), I had a query.
The idea that Aang finds out about surviving Air Nomads made me think, how would they react to his presence? Would they be happy that he survived or would they be antagonistic to him because to them Aang had abandoned them to the Firebenders attack, even if it was not his intent.
I would like your thoughts on this.
From what I remember from the movie, Taga isn't lying about being an airbender, it's just that he isn't a true one in the sense that he was not born with the ability. This doesn't seem to matter at all to Aang, oddly. Especially considering that his alleged connection with Taga was supposed to be about his culture and people, not just airbending. And also considering Aang's previous characterizations when he had repeatedly seen people who he thought were like his. He was initially resentful of Teo and his friends, for example, and dismissive of the nomads in the Cave of Two Lovers episode when he found out they weren't Air Nomads. He was also initially uncomfortable with the Air Acolytes. It's strange that he becomes so accepting of Taga so quickly.
I think that the question of how surviving Air Nomads would react to Aang is an interesting one. I think it would be mixed, like the way the EK people reacted to Aang. Some would see him as a symbol of hope, and some would probably resent him for surviving when they themselves had to watch their people be persecuted and live in hiding for a hundred years. It would be interesting to see how Aang as a character would have to square his unwillingness to bend his cultural rules with descendents of his people who had assimilated with the EK (or even the FN) for survival.
The fights will absolutely be more entertaining than the movie, but zutara antis still won't win.
