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The mischaracterization of A.ang choosing attachment to Katara over mastering the Avatar State as some grand romantic expression is one thing but then using it to unnecessarily compare Kata.ang to Zutara is going an extra step in terms of watching the show with your eyes closed cause if we're really making this a dick-swinging competition, I mean, Zuko chose Katara over his own life, so I think we win this round, sorry.
I was jumpscared by a picture from the Promise because I forgot that Zuko has short hair in it.
Seriously? Stop fucking hating on aang and making up random bullshit,yiu guys say people are insecure of your ship,but no ,you guys have been hating on aang for fucking years, saying shit like this https://www.tumblr.com/demonqueenbeee/825181685577613312/i-dont-dislike-kataang-because-i-like-zutara-i?source=share, genuinely fuck off,you people shouldn't be in this fandom at all,i hate what this fandom has become, and how the fuck,a pacifist isn't a fucking good guy? The same guy who didn't want zuko too die in snow? The same guy who wanted to help find kataras mother killer? He never disrespected any fucking culture, you making up shit,this fandom is terrible ,god,anti this,anti that,smh
lmao you make me laugh. mind you, this wasn't even MY opinion. but thank you for telling me how much you hate someone else's opinion on a burner account.
people are allowed to have differing opinions in fandom, that's what makes it so fun. you can find the people who think the same as you and talk about it. what's worse? someone having an opinion and spreading it in their own circles or someone coming into those circles and hating on them for having that opinion.
being a pacifist isn't a character flaw in and of itself, it's the fact that the writers don't actually care about pacifism or any culture around it that's a problem.
also complaining about antis while being an anti in my inbox is ironic. zutara shippers aren't going anywhere, i'm sorry that you won't get your wish. but you can pretend we're not here by scrolling, blocking, and not interacting with the people you don't like.
Holy shit. Love this person going on a rampage in your comments, too.
"Aang is not bitter or jealous, Aang is respectful..."
Like you?
Also, Aang did not want to help find Katara's mother's killer.
He also not a pacifist, yes I'm going to continue to bang that drum. Like I don't even particularly respect pacifism as a moral philosophy but I can still respect individuals desire to commit to non-violence and don't think it should be reduced to just not liking to fight and not wanting to kill. A definition that would mean basically everyone is a pacifist, including most soldiers, so why would we treat it as special?
Yeah, this.
okay but hear me out….zutara x lover, you should’ve come over

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Seriously? Stop fucking hating on aang and making up random bullshit,yiu guys say people are insecure of your ship,but no ,you guys have been hating on aang for fucking years, saying shit like this https://www.tumblr.com/demonqueenbeee/825181685577613312/i-dont-dislike-kataang-because-i-like-zutara-i?source=share, genuinely fuck off,you people shouldn't be in this fandom at all,i hate what this fandom has become, and how the fuck,a pacifist isn't a fucking good guy? The same guy who didn't want zuko too die in snow? The same guy who wanted to help find kataras mother killer? He never disrespected any fucking culture, you making up shit,this fandom is terrible ,god,anti this,anti that,smh
lmao you make me laugh. mind you, this wasn't even MY opinion. but thank you for telling me how much you hate someone else's opinion on a burner account.
people are allowed to have differing opinions in fandom, that's what makes it so fun. you can find the people who think the same as you and talk about it. what's worse? someone having an opinion and spreading it in their own circles or someone coming into those circles and hating on them for having that opinion.
being a pacifist isn't a character flaw in and of itself, it's the fact that the writers don't actually care about pacifism or any culture around it that's a problem.
also complaining about antis while being an anti in my inbox is ironic. zutara shippers aren't going anywhere, i'm sorry that you won't get your wish. but you can pretend we're not here by scrolling, blocking, and not interacting with the people you don't like.
Holy shit. Love this person going on a rampage in your comments, too.
"Aang is not bitter or jealous, Aang is respectful..."
Like you?
Also, Aang did not want to help find Katara's mother's killer.
Just...the complete lack of self awareness.
In headcanons outlining a mutual respect and affinity between Katara and Zuko after the war a lot of us do revel in that dynamic presenting itself through a big family. Not only because being a wife and mother isn't a bad thing, but because we know that it can be a great thing when she has a partner who will support her like Zuko would.
What he doesn't do usually do in headcanons and fanfiction, is demand an heir. Rarely, if ever, is Zuko the one insisting that she's the only person available to him as a vessel for his kingly line.
This is not an argument we make in the fandom.
This is not a factor for us.
Zuko could give fuck all about his "line" and never is it her job to fulfill that for him.
Aang stans on the other hand...
And there's a very good reason why they often revert to that mindset: it's all over canon.
It's repeatedly held up by the creators and their favorite poster child for unrequited babysitter fantasies as his right and her responsibility.
They're just so blinded by UwU Aang that they can't see how broken that argument is.
It's so like "Mr. Burns trying to be good but winding up more evil as a result." It's like an alien from outer space heard about feminism once and only had a vague idea of what it was.
The claim that Katara having Zuko's babies is worse for her because they aren't deemed NECESSARY is exactly WHY Kataang shippers get that criticism (also not getting away from the conservative allegations). Katara having children with someone she loves is beautiful, but in no world does she NEED to give some man a child just so they can have their heir, and it's not more important for Katara to have Aang's babies than Zuko's, or anyone else's, because it's Katara's body, first and foremost.
Just for this, I'm headcanoning that Katara gets her tubes tied so she can have lots of recreational non-procreative sex with Zuko.
Just...the complete lack of self awareness.
I'm not saying Aαng should have killed Ozai, I'm just saying Aαng and Katara don't share the same values.
Katara seems to think that losing one's bending as a punishment is worse than death, so actually, Aαng could be right about taking away Ozai's bending (that's not the subject of this post though).
However, I think this difference in principles and morals is way to important to not point out. Maybe it could work if none of them ever acted on these values, but Aαng already did. I don't think you can be a happy healthy married couple if you disagree on this topic.
Aαng values life (as being not dead) and not killing above living, as Katara thinks, as who you truly are. And I don't think Aαng understands her, he never had to hide being a bender like she did most of her life, or Haru when his town was controlled by the Fire Nation, or Zuko as a refugee in Ba Sing Se. And he doesn't know what it feels like to know you can bend but you actually can't because you never had the chance to learn (Katara) or because you lost it (Zuko).
Actually, we already knew about Katara's opinion on the importance of bending as being part of one's identity, as early as Book 1 Episode 6.
And we know that Katara doesn't have a no kill rule.
I think it's interesting to have Aang not consider this because Aang does consider his airbending as a part of his identity. He never had to hide it - and this is another way the narrative contrives to shield him, because he was magically frozen before he had to live in a world where airbenders were hunted - but he sure does sneer at Teo and the others initially for not being real airbenders.
The difference in these two perspectives is that Katara looks at it from a place of empathy, even for someone she doesn't like. Aang looks at it from a perspective of what would most preserve his own values.
I agree. I don't think either of them is right or wrong, I understand both of them. I'm just pointing out that that's a major difference in values to have in a couple.
I'd just add that it's pretty bold of Aang to accuse his closest friends of not understanding him when he himself doesn't seem to know how to put himself in other people's shoes. Even bolder of him to agree to kill Zuko when he wouldn't kill Ozai (but that is another topic of its own).
Yeah, I agree. I actually am less sympathetic to Aang here, because it makes his pacifism less about actually wanting peace and more about keeping his hands clean. Katara is the one who cares deeply about other people. I was being critical of Aang when I said he is not looking at things from a place of empathy, because he cares about his own bending but doesn't seem to consider that other people care about theirs. And I think empathy is essential to someone who claims to be a pacifist.
I think his values aren't bad in and of themselves. But Aang never questions them and wants to stick to them no matter what's at stake. As a result, his intentions aren't always focused on doing good, not really. They are focused on making sure he follows his values.
I think claiming to do good but being more focused on keeping your hands clean is bad, actually.
I agree. I meant the values he were taught and is trying to follow aren't bad. And I think he thinks he is doing good by following them. But there is a difference between I do good and I do it by following my values, and I would do good because I follow my values, which are good. And I think Aang does the latter.
my last comment on this subject but it’s truly despicable that the host of kataraweek and friends would lie about people’s actions like this. just stand on the fact that you blocked ppl bc they were zks.
my twitter page has NEVER posted either of these “excuses” and it’s disgusting to even imply that i as a BIPOC, have done so. equally disappointed in people’s ability to believe lies like this so easily, and spread misinformation. none of my social media is ever a safe space to speak ill on BIPOC. i have ALWAYS held the opinion that BIPOC opinions are valid; even for those who are uncomfortable with zk. this is beyond reproachable.
From what I saw, they blocked people who "associated" with people who allegedly did those things, which means people who reblogged from popular zutara creators.
Like when they say people call Katara a human incubator, they mean people who say that canon treated her like a human incubator. There's an obvious difference that they're ignoring because they are anti zutara.
And when they say people who cracked anti indigenous jokes, they mean people who mocked zutara antis who sent harassment to zutara shippers over just shipping zutara. They specifically referred to blocking people who reblogged Dema's art, which is a lot of the zutara fandom because she's very popular, because Dema responded to people calling her racist FOR SHIPPING ZUTARA with a joke using the same words that were used against her, and kataang shippers decided that there are rules for thee and not for me, and weaponized the genocide of indigenous Americans against her for that.
It's all based around shipping discourse and very obviously a hate campaign against zutara shippers, while trying to claim it's about Katara when it's not.
In general, though, from what I can see this person should not be running a fandom event even without the obvious shipping bias, because they also are anti proship and are trying to police depictions of the character on a wider scale as well. When I see the word pedophilia thrown around it's an obvious red flag that this person does not know what the fuck they are doing.

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I'm not saying Aαng should have killed Ozai, I'm just saying Aαng and Katara don't share the same values.
Katara seems to think that losing one's bending as a punishment is worse than death, so actually, Aαng could be right about taking away Ozai's bending (that's not the subject of this post though).
However, I think this difference in principles and morals is way to important to not point out. Maybe it could work if none of them ever acted on these values, but Aαng already did. I don't think you can be a happy healthy married couple if you disagree on this topic.
Aαng values life (as being not dead) and not killing above living, as Katara thinks, as who you truly are. And I don't think Aαng understands her, he never had to hide being a bender like she did most of her life, or Haru when his town was controlled by the Fire Nation, or Zuko as a refugee in Ba Sing Se. And he doesn't know what it feels like to know you can bend but you actually can't because you never had the chance to learn (Katara) or because you lost it (Zuko).
Actually, we already knew about Katara's opinion on the importance of bending as being part of one's identity, as early as Book 1 Episode 6.
And we know that Katara doesn't have a no kill rule.
I think it's interesting to have Aang not consider this because Aang does consider his airbending as a part of his identity. He never had to hide it - and this is another way the narrative contrives to shield him, because he was magically frozen before he had to live in a world where airbenders were hunted - but he sure does sneer at Teo and the others initially for not being real airbenders.
The difference in these two perspectives is that Katara looks at it from a place of empathy, even for someone she doesn't like. Aang looks at it from a perspective of what would most preserve his own values.
I agree. I don't think either of them is right or wrong, I understand both of them. I'm just pointing out that that's a major difference in values to have in a couple.
I'd just add that it's pretty bold of Aang to accuse his closest friends of not understanding him when he himself doesn't seem to know how to put himself in other people's shoes. Even bolder of him to agree to kill Zuko when he wouldn't kill Ozai (but that is another topic of its own).
Yeah, I agree. I actually am less sympathetic to Aang here, because it makes his pacifism less about actually wanting peace and more about keeping his hands clean. Katara is the one who cares deeply about other people. I was being critical of Aang when I said he is not looking at things from a place of empathy, because he cares about his own bending but doesn't seem to consider that other people care about theirs. And I think empathy is essential to someone who claims to be a pacifist.
I think his values aren't bad in and of themselves. But Aang never questions them and wants to stick to them no matter what's at stake. As a result, his intentions aren't always focused on doing good, not really. They are focused on making sure he follows his values.
I think claiming to do good but being more focused on keeping your hands clean is bad, actually.
I'm not saying Aαng should have killed Ozai, I'm just saying Aαng and Katara don't share the same values.
Katara seems to think that losing one's bending as a punishment is worse than death, so actually, Aαng could be right about taking away Ozai's bending (that's not the subject of this post though).
However, I think this difference in principles and morals is way to important to not point out. Maybe it could work if none of them ever acted on these values, but Aαng already did. I don't think you can be a happy healthy married couple if you disagree on this topic.
Aαng values life (as being not dead) and not killing above living, as Katara thinks, as who you truly are. And I don't think Aαng understands her, he never had to hide being a bender like she did most of her life, or Haru when his town was controlled by the Fire Nation, or Zuko as a refugee in Ba Sing Se. And he doesn't know what it feels like to know you can bend but you actually can't because you never had the chance to learn (Katara) or because you lost it (Zuko).
Actually, we already knew about Katara's opinion on the importance of bending as being part of one's identity, as early as Book 1 Episode 6.
And we know that Katara doesn't have a no kill rule.
I think it's interesting to have Aang not consider this because Aang does consider his airbending as a part of his identity. He never had to hide it - and this is another way the narrative contrives to shield him, because he was magically frozen before he had to live in a world where airbenders were hunted - but he sure does sneer at Teo and the others initially for not being real airbenders.
The difference in these two perspectives is that Katara looks at it from a place of empathy, even for someone she doesn't like. Aang looks at it from a perspective of what would most preserve his own values.
I agree. I don't think either of them is right or wrong, I understand both of them. I'm just pointing out that that's a major difference in values to have in a couple.
I'd just add that it's pretty bold of Aang to accuse his closest friends of not understanding him when he himself doesn't seem to know how to put himself in other people's shoes. Even bolder of him to agree to kill Zuko when he wouldn't kill Ozai (but that is another topic of its own).
Yeah, I agree. I actually am less sympathetic to Aang here, because it makes his pacifism less about actually wanting peace and more about keeping his hands clean. Katara is the one who cares deeply about other people. I was being critical of Aang when I said he is not looking at things from a place of empathy, because he cares about his own bending but doesn't seem to consider that other people care about theirs. And I think empathy is essential to someone who claims to be a pacifist.
It may just be me, but I think Iroh's lore drop that he invented how to redirect lightning when he "studied waterbenders" is astonishingly neglected... The conflict and motivation for Katara's arc in Book One are driven by the lack of teachers who can pass on waterbending, as the Fire Nation systematically attacked the Southern Water Tribe, imprisoned waterbenders, and deprived the culture of the embodied knowledge and practitioners needed to keep waterbending alive. Hama gives us a brutal testimony of how the Fire Nation treated waterbenders. So, while Katara is severed from waterbenders and their knowledge, Iroh, the Crown Prince of the Fire Nation, somehow has access to waterbenders to extract the knowledge and insight from studying them to develop one of the most sophisticated firebending techniques in canon.
When he lectures Zuko on the elements and speaks of the waterbenders he "studied," he does so primarily to teach his nephew what they gain from appropriating knowledge of peoples that his family has been oppressing and annihilating for several generations. In other words, Iroh approached waterbenders and their knowledge as a resource for him to advance firebending. It's wild that ATLA (including when Zuko instructs Aang who cheerfully points out how this technique reminds him of waterbending) frames this piece of Iroh lore as a reason to admire him, because the moment you ask, "Okay, and how did he study waterbenders when his country has been actively at war with them and hunting the waterbenders of the South down for a whole generation...?"
Canon doesn't care (and I deem it very likely that the writers didn't think about the implications), but I do. Since I'm currently rewriting Hama's story anyway, I'll take this piece of Iroh lore as a prompt to overhaul the worldbuilding more extensively: Iroh is not uniquely enlightened for studying waterbenders, but for the raids on the Southern Water Tribe and the systematic abduction of the waterbenders aimed at studying them. That was the strategic objective of the relentless raids over years.
As far as we know, the four nations "lived in harmony" before the Fire Nation declared war. The army may genuinely not know at first how to engage waterbenders systematically in an environment that gives them a significant strategic advantage against the navy, because waterbenders can mobilize the ocean. They don't fight with ammunition; they fight with the battlefield against the Fire Nation's ammunition. That's terrifying.
I'm not saying Aαng should have killed Ozai, I'm just saying Aαng and Katara don't share the same values.
Katara seems to think that losing one's bending as a punishment is worse than death, so actually, Aαng could be right about taking away Ozai's bending (that's not the subject of this post though).
However, I think this difference in principles and morals is way to important to not point out. Maybe it could work if none of them ever acted on these values, but Aαng already did. I don't think you can be a happy healthy married couple if you disagree on this topic.
Aαng values life (as being not dead) and not killing above living, as Katara thinks, as who you truly are. And I don't think Aαng understands her, he never had to hide being a bender like she did most of her life, or Haru when his town was controlled by the Fire Nation, or Zuko as a refugee in Ba Sing Se. And he doesn't know what it feels like to know you can bend but you actually can't because you never had the chance to learn (Katara) or because you lost it (Zuko).
Actually, we already knew about Katara's opinion on the importance of bending as being part of one's identity, as early as Book 1 Episode 6.
And we know that Katara doesn't have a no kill rule.
I think it's interesting to have Aang not consider this because Aang does consider his airbending as a part of his identity. He never had to hide it - and this is another way the narrative contrives to shield him, because he was magically frozen before he had to live in a world where airbenders were hunted - but he sure does sneer at Teo and the others initially for not being real airbenders.
The difference in these two perspectives is that Katara looks at it from a place of empathy, even for someone she doesn't like. Aang looks at it from a perspective of what would most preserve his own values.
this is totally canon :)
YES TOTALLY CANON

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The original organizer of Katara Week 2026 has put out this big nonsensical, out of context, twisting statement "proving" that Zutara shippers were kept out of the space for being "problematic".
...ok I know I said that I was gonna only do one prompt for @zutaraweek, but turns out I was inspired enough to try and do another one! I actually had a lot of ideas for the "time" prompt, but where I decided to land on was "time of day", so in this case "nighttime & daytime"; and as we all know she rises with the moon, and he rises with the sun lol