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Nom: (watching a Baltic spin) Look at him go, look at him go. He’s very CC coded. (The Baltoy stops spinning to look at Nom) Oh he heard me. (Five seconds of silence as Nom flies up into the air with his mace in hand) I take it back, I guess you’re 4c coded. (He misses the first hit, screams goofily as the game lags him back into the air so he can take the shot again, killing the Baltoy) The universe gave me another chance.
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Frankly I think all cc’s should stay out of fandom spaces unless they are explicitly @‘ed in a work but that’s just me
Like. Fandom spaces are for the fans, not for the creator. We are playing with dolls. And there are hundreds of thousands of these dolls because each person has their own doll, it doesn’t matter who “created” the original doll. What the original doll maker wants does not matter because they have control over the original doll, not the copies that all the fans have.
Cam: It-it-it-it-it breached containment, massively. Um, so much so that I got messages from family members as well. I got a message from my dad's best man? At his wedding, who I haven't seen in a number of years, congratulating me on my engagement. (three seconds silence) My dad's best man. In the family group chat, I got a message from my auntie that said, um, "why have I heard that you're engag-" I need to find the exact quote, because it was just so ridiculous, hold on-where is it again...yeah. "Cameron Wilson, what's with the 'he said yes' thing?" Um, "so and so thought you got engaged but I told him that wasn't Scott." The tweet went to my auntie's colleague, at work, who recognized it was me and showed my auntie, at work, that I had gotten engaged.
Cam: So that when she sees the tweet—and she has met Scott, a couple times, and gets on really well with Scott. So is obviously massively confused and calls me immediately to say, "what-what's happened with Scott? Who is this man?" Um. So, yeah, it went to my auntie's work, who-who then she had to, very very confused realize that I wasn't actually engaged, and I had to explain the situation. Um. So that was fun.
Cam: Um. I got a message from my mum? My mum messaged me, um, (through laughter) it was quite a funny message, actually. I need to find it. Cause she follows me on Twitter, my mum follows me on Twitter, I need to find what she said. She-she like said, um, (laughs). Where is it, hold on. Hold on, yeah, here it is, says, um, "is your friend Grian Scottish? Gaelic Duolingo just told me Grian equals sun." To which I respond, "no, his name is actually—" and then Grian's name, um, and then she just goes, "oh, well..." and then that's the end of the conversation. So. Yeah.
Nom: Hi Nukeri. Nuke: You struck me! (Nom laughs) The Irishman struck me! Vintage: Good. Nom: Gottem! Nuke: Not again, leave me alone! Nom: If I hit Nukeri hard enough I take his spot in MCC, I think that's how it works. (everyone laughs) Legundo: That's how that works, yeah. Nuke: Okay fine, but you have to be gay. (everyone laughs) Milkman: Yeah, that's the rules. Leia: Can you do that, Nominalgravy? Nom: Did you watch any of Bannerfall? Legundo: I could try. Uh... Leia: I tried to. Vintage: Oh my goodness. Leia: Oh, oh, there's no room. Legundo: (jokingly) I've played one on YouTube, its fine.
Mae: I kinda always felt like we-they were always. That Mae was always competing with the other people in Sco-in 4c's life. Almost like 4c could only have...one friend. At a time. And it was like. Kinda hard, in that sense.
Mae: (reading chat) Um. "I just wish Frogue didn't lick 4c as much." We were supposed-like, people were supposed to be mean to-to 4c. For his character building.
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Mae VOD (OOC talk of where 4c hopes the macing takes the story)
Purpled: Oh, I'm far right, okay, um, I need one of you two to grab the arrow— Martyn: What a confession to make on stream. Sniff: What, what did we say? (Martyn laughs) Purpled: Need one of you guys to grab the arrow— Sniff: Wh-what did I say? Kara: Wow. Martyn: No, no, it was, it was, it was Purpled, Purpled went, "I'm far right." Sniff: Wait, Martyn. Martyn, Martyn. Martyn. Look down! Look! Purpled: Oh, no, that's not, no, no, no, no—(Martyn laughs) Sniff: It looks like boobies! (Martyn gasps) Purpled: Okay, wait, whose getting the arrow— Martyn: Four boobies! Sniff: Four boobs! Martyn: Must be cause it's Pride!
dare I say that the concept of “boundaries” as it’s used in mcyt spaces is indicative of the poor understanding of consent many of these ccs have or are we going to keep pretending it’s acceptable to outright threaten your audience with targeted harassment if they don’t conform to your rules
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chatter: I'm choosing to read this as "don't @ me or send me content that makes me uncomfortable, and I won't go looking for it in spaces (like tumblr or w/e)."
pyro: um… if i hear about - i mean, i have - i have my little birds in all forests, and if i hear about, um, if i hear about repeated offenses, then, like, i will send my people after them. but, um… and i will, like, you know… deal with that, in the ways that i deem appropriate. but, um, there's obviously no way that i can fully stop it, but i really think that we as a community have a really good enough rapport to not have that happen.
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I’m typing this unable to feel my hands because of bus woes so forgive me if this is not the most eloquent, but man, the more I look at how some of these new CCs act the more I think that creators should not be in fandom spaces.
There’s this idea that we see where creators think thar material about them/their characters is FOR them, and so they lay down rules about how things should be depicted (like you would on a gift for you) and they go into the comments to fight with people who put their tag on things they don’t like, etc. All these things that we see happening.
But they’re missing the point that— and I am not the first person to say this— things tagged with their character name are not there for them to see it, they’re there for other fans of the character to see it. I don’t post into the murderbot tag for the edification of Martha Wells, I post it for other murderbot fans. If Martha Wells showed up in my comments on an established fandom space I’m liable to panic-block and scramble for the exit.
And so these creators come in and say “this isn’t a good gift for me, don’t do this”, but that’s an essential misreading of the situation, and the thing is it’s kind of a presumptuous misreading of the situation when you’re monetizing your character. As my friend TD pointed out today, “don’t draw nsfw of my OC” is a perfectly normal thing to do within a peer to peer fandom context, but you are no longer interacting peer to peer when you have monetized your OC and are distributing them to as broad an audience as possible. You are the creator of a marketed figure. If you try to keep dictating people’s behaviour, that is how you become Anne Rice, which is never something you want to be.
But these creators are walking into spaces and saying that *everything tagged with their character name* is a gift for them and just like, no. If you keyword search your name on the entire internet you’re gonna overhear a lot of conversations that were not meant for you, and acting like it is even possible to make The Entire Internet safe for a public figure to look at is not a workable exercise.
Creators should not be walking into spaces where people are talking about their characters unless they’re ready to see a lot of things that were never made with them as the target audience. Make a fan art channel im your discord and let people bring things to you, but don’t walk onto the site where people’s favourite holidays to celebrate with characters include kinktober and whumptober and goreuary, where people explore their trauma through the lens of their favourite characters, where people experiment with different art styles and body type depictions of characters, where things that fall under the “fluff” umbrella include making characters into toddlers and making them so sad so they can have a hug, and expect that everything is going to be made with your comfort in mind. That’s just not how the fandom emotion works.
Fandom isn’t for creators, it’s for fans, and believe me that I also have creators’ comfort in mind when I say that fandom and creators should be kept separate.
Notes by @the-blaze-empress
Okay so I am seeing a lot of this in my notes. And while I do agree that I should not be sending NSFW links in Philza Minecraft's twitch chat or into the fanart channel of his discord— do not put it in the creator's space— and while I agree that there are certain classes of work that should be being tagged in a way where anyone can avoid the content if they want to anyways— nsfw, gore or work containing common triggers, contentious character depictions— I do want to gently ask if you are going to keep up with all the social posting of the creator of every character you ever want to include in art or fic and make sure to tag it to hide it from them if you ever want to depict a character as neurodivergent, or lgbtq, or genderbent, or overweight, to use some famous boundaries people have tried to establish, every time you post on Tumblr or on Ao3.
Or if maybe we should have some spaces that are not being creatively policed by the creators, where we don't have to tag with their eyes in mind. THAT is my point.
or maybe should the creator not be dictating what happens in this space.
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Spidey, Ish, 4c, and Stella (as Schpood) reenact the sunset scene
Mae: Oop, there's Nominalgravy. I found Nominalgravy. Um. Katie: Is he here? Mae: He just logged on. Graecie: Oh no. Zam: Actually? Katie: Oh no. Zam: Kill him. Graecie: Please. No. Please— Katie: I agree, I agree, I agree. Mae: (overlapping) That's like my whole thing. That's like my whole thing, that's like my whole thing! Katie: We kill Nominalgravy! Zam: Actually? Mae: Yeah. We kill Nominalgravy! Katie: It's freaking awesome. Zam: I tried killing him on Lifesteal, and I said that it was for Graecie, so. Graecie: (gasps) Really, you actually did end up killing him for me?! Zam: Well, I didn't get the kill, but— Graecie: Oh. Zam: —I did start murdering him for it. So. Graecie: That. You know what, I'll take it, I'll, I-I will take that. Zam: Yeah, it was a ten v one, he had 4c, Katie, Shandrea— Katie: Yeah, and then you hunted me down, and it was terrifying. Zam: —Spepticle, ECorridor—
Nom: Here's the thing, I told Katie like, watch this be like, my dream game roster. Anpan: One of them is Ace Race, which I think is great, I think Ace Race should always be in, should always be in pride. CC: Yes, it's called Ace Race. Nom: Ace Race is always in pride, for that reason. Anpan: Is it? Good! It better be. Nom: It is always in pride because of that. Anpan: Good. CC: I'm telling you, they need to do-they need to do a flying only Ace Race called AroAce Race. Nom: Oh my god are we so for real, it is actually my dream roster, except for Build Mart. That is actually my-that is all of my favorite games except like-excluding Build Mart? Like, if you were to put parkour in there instead of Build Mart, that is every single one of my, like, best games. (CC laughs) Oh wait, I saw Railroad Rush— Anpan: Genuinely, so funny. Nom: What do you mean, Parkour Tag, Ace Race, To Get To the Other Side, and Bingo? And Meltdown and Battle Box?! Oh (bleep) me. (Anpan and CC laugh) CC: I don't know Nom, just be gay. Nom: It-it's fine, man, I just—4c's in there! What are we talkin' about? (Nom and Anpan laugh) CC: Well be a better ally, I don't know. Anpan: Be a better ally, yeah. Nom: Have you seen my community?
Cam: I dunno what's happened to CambamPreg though. Abolish: (quietly) Oh my god. Cam: Like, there was one who told me if I was pregnant or not and I quite enjoyed that one. Nuke: I think it was only up for nine months, right? Cam: No, well, I mean I could have more than one baby. (Cam laughs) But no, I— Nuke: Oh, shit, you're so right. Cam: —I quite liked, I quite liked CambamPreg, but I don't know where it is, I don't know where it's gone. They-they've gone on hiatus. I think. Nuke: Maternity leave. Cam: (echoing) "Maternity leave," probably. (Nuke laughs) I dunno where it's gone, to be honest.
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4c and Pili's adventures in the backrooms!
