When people complain that Katara was acting OOC in The Southern Raiders, I just have to ask … isn’t that kind of the point?
I mean, we never saw Aang as angry as he was in The Desert, but no one complains that he was OOC there. We all understand that loosing Appa was one of the worst things that happened to Aang, and that it most probably also triggered his trauma of being the last of his people.
Even though we don’t approve of his actions, or how he treats the other characters in that episode (especially Katara), we understand and empathize with him. It is a unique situation that has expertly touched on a wound that hasn’t healed, and no one demonizes or expects Aang to act rationally here.
But why is it that when it comes to Katara, we can’t extend her that same treatment?
One theory is the gen fandom and the canon ship fandom likes the version of Katara filtered through Aang's lens which is Bryke's lens - mom/babysitter/care taker shaped who dotes maternally on Aang while remaining soft but comes to realize he's a HeroTM so that doting becomes a kind of fawning that resembles love.
Anytime Katara breaks this mold the fandom punishes her because they don't actually like Katara, they like the version of Katara that Aang has a crush on. A majority of the episodes that expand who Katara is beyond Aang's crush are not written by Bryke. That is why we see - outside of the next popular non canon ship - less complaints about Katara being OOC in the comics and even the film - where Bryke has majority control - despite these 'messier' emotions being cut from her character. Beyond the series, Katara's character is trimmed and optimized to best fit and compliment the main character, Aang - who does not go through this process - so she is often viewed as less problematic by the fandom post series.
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Still kinda shocking to me that tlok explicitly showed how much of a rotten, selfish husband and father Aang turned out to be, while Katara had to be stuck pumping out kids for him until he finally got the one he demanded (ignoring the previous children), then she never left her home even after the new (perfect) Avatar was born and raised (as a prisoner) despite once traversing and saving the world, and the world also apparently forgot she existed bc there were zero statues of her like the rest of the "gaang". She got reduced to an exploited housewife and babysitter. bryke (extraordinary misogynists somehow forgiven for their many crimes because they once gave people a wlw couple) saw nothing wrong with this, and fans still welcome their new trash projects with glee.
"Its been 20 years get over it" actually its been less than a month since bryke's latest display of their blatant misogyny, but go off i guess! Telling a bunch of women to "get over" two white men who are prominent and influential in their industry popping out with a brand new woman hating narrative every few years is bold to say the least, and telling us that we're being hysterical when we are bothered by people eating up said misogynist storytelling and calling it "perfect" is taking that a step further. Take a women's studies class, for the love of God
I saw some people mentioning the part in the movie where Taga calls Katara "water child" and wanted to look up the context, and the first thing I found was an AI result saying that Gran Gran calls Katara that in the first episode of the series, but she doesn't. Gran Gran calls Katara "my little waterbender," which emphasizes Katara as a child, but affectionately, and also acknowledges her power as a waterbender, not diminishing it.
What Taga says is an insult, as he says that "the skies are no place for a water child," and Katara has an insulted reaction. I am sure that this is supposed to be another example of how Taga represents division vs unity, and how he doesn't trust benders of other elements.
But a couple of problems. One is the ongoing problem of Aang having no reaction whatsoever to Taga saying racist things about his friends, and especially Katara.
The second problem is that this particular insult is particularly offensive, considering that Katara and her people are indigenous coded. "Water child" not only is a diminutive to Katara, who is not a child in the movie, but it also implies that waterbenders in general are child-like, which is historically a common stereotype about indigenous peoples, used as both a backhanded insult (the idea that they are closer to the earth) and to justify oppressing them.
And like I said, Taga is the bad guy, but the problem is that Aang never comments on it. This should be a red flag for Aang, and indeed, seems to be one for the audience. But Aang will later side with Taga against Katara, eventually yelling at her when she calls him out for driving them into the storm. Which is also funny because Taga says the skies are no place for her, but without her control of water, they definitely would have died.
When Taga makes the comment, Katara makes a super-deformed angry face and it's played off as "lol Katara is angry" instead of justifying her anger. Even as the plot validates her, Aang never really does. And I'm supposed to get the feeling that they're in love.
Aang rarely, if ever actually stands up for Katara. I think he came close to it while they were in the NWT, but he backs down as soon as there is any pushback. Of course Aang wouldn't notice any disrespect towards Katara as out of pocket. He himself doesn't respect her. Why would he expect anyone else to?
I don't believe that Katara and Aang were ever actually in love and it's all the creators' fault. Aang was infatuated with the version of Katara he made up in his head, and Katara, probably out of some misguided sense of obligation to the Avatar, went along with it. (And I only say probably because the writers refuse to give us anything from Katara's POV about this relationship).
I saw some people mentioning the part in the movie where Taga calls Katara "water child" and wanted to look up the context, and the first thing I found was an AI result saying that Gran Gran calls Katara that in the first episode of the series, but she doesn't. Gran Gran calls Katara "my little waterbender," which emphasizes Katara as a child, but affectionately, and also acknowledges her power as a waterbender, not diminishing it.
What Taga says is an insult, as he says that "the skies are no place for a water child," and Katara has an insulted reaction. I am sure that this is supposed to be another example of how Taga represents division vs unity, and how he doesn't trust benders of other elements.
But a couple of problems. One is the ongoing problem of Aang having no reaction whatsoever to Taga saying racist things about his friends, and especially Katara.
The second problem is that this particular insult is particularly offensive, considering that Katara and her people are indigenous coded. "Water child" not only is a diminutive to Katara, who is not a child in the movie, but it also implies that waterbenders in general are child-like, which is historically a common stereotype about indigenous peoples, used as both a backhanded insult (the idea that they are closer to the earth) and to justify oppressing them.
And like I said, Taga is the bad guy, but the problem is that Aang never comments on it. This should be a red flag for Aang, and indeed, seems to be one for the audience. But Aang will later side with Taga against Katara, eventually yelling at her when she calls him out for driving them into the storm. Which is also funny because Taga says the skies are no place for her, but without her control of water, they definitely would have died.
When Taga makes the comment, Katara makes a super-deformed angry face and it's played off as "lol Katara is angry" instead of justifying her anger. Even as the plot validates her, Aang never really does. And I'm supposed to get the feeling that they're in love.
Aang rarely, if ever actually stands up for Katara. I think he came close to it while they were in the NWT, but he backs down as soon as there is any pushback. Of course Aang wouldn't notice any disrespect towards Katara as out of pocket. He himself doesn't respect her. Why would he expect anyone else to?
I don't believe that Katara and Aang were ever actually in love and it's all the creators' fault. Aang was infatuated with the version of Katara he made up in his head, and Katara, probably out of some misguided sense of obligation to the Avatar, went along with it. (And I only say probably because the writers refuse to give us anything from Katara's POV about this relationship).
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But you're breaking through all the dark in me
When I thought that nobody could
And you're waking up all these parts of me
That I thought were buried for good
So...I saw The Movie, and yeah...it continues the show's tradition of Katara's trauma's being downplayed- to her face, by AANG- in favor of making Aang's unresolved trauma the focus. I hate this movie so much. What is the point of its existence?
Also, I know some noise has been made about Katara and Zuko not getting to interact, but honestly, none of them seem to have a really meaningful relationship with each other. The number of conversations amongst the team is minimal. And Suki gets less screen time than the Cabbage Man.
Bryke writing lok like "we're not sexist, look! A female main character! [Tortures her on screen for four seasons to the point where its genuinely hard to watch]
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Hhhhhh. The implication of aang being weirdly possessive of katara in adulthood + old katara in lok having virtually no contact with her friends that we know of is so.....bad. im sure bryke didnt intend for it to look that way because they want everyone to see them as this perfect romance but that is definitely how it looks. I really like aang and I find a lot of this shit ooc but unfortunately they really did make him look like an abusive husband post series; a lot of their isolated decisions, once put together, make aang and his relationship with katara look REALLY bad
You think Bryke are insecure about so many of the original female fans (a lot of the original fans in general) preferring Zutara and disliking Ka/taa//ng because it destroys the fantasy they're trying to create to heal the psychological wound they still carry from the time the taller older girl they had a crush on turned them down and started dating a slightly older sensitive broody bad boy archetype who was taller and more attractive than them? (Not saying Zuko is a Bad Boy, I think that's a mischaracterization.)
Like they see how many girls and women look at Ka/taa/n/g and say "she would not fucking do that" and it breaks their fantasy because it's a bunch of girls the same age as the girls they got rejected by reminding them that they're delusional and that 14 year old girls are not attracted to prepubescent 12 year old boys who force kisses on them?
And every time they have to think about the popularity of Zutara it is another gut punch to their inner 12 year old boy who is still not over their unrequited childhood crush? Like it just keeps reminding them that in no situation would 14 year old Stacy from next door have wanted to date a 12 year old them no matter how mature she realized they had become? And that she'd still be picking Brad the 16 year old emo boy every time? Even if they had superpowers?
Like they're very aware of the fact that they're two middle aged men saying "And then the pretty 14 year old girl fell in love with the short 12 year old," and that every 14 year old girl is collectively telling them that that would never happen and they're weird for thinking it would, and that's gotta have been dealing significant psychic damage on them over all these years.
Yes, in reality, a 14-year-old girl would prefer to choose a 16-year-old! Not a 12-year-old! That's what most people say! Seriously, screw you. This is the same guy who claims Aang is different from classic male characters, which he isn't.
I would say that toxic masculinity fits more with the guy who feels entitled to the affection of a young woman which fits Aang way more than Zuko. Going around claiming that shipping Zutara makes me toxic and that perpetuate toxic masculinity doesn’t make me less likely to ship Zutara. In fact it made me going from being indifferent to Kataang to despising it.
anyone claiming that the ship with a majorly female/queer fanbase is the one perpetuating toxic masculinity while having nothing to say about the canon het ship created by two white men who’ve explicitly talked about it as a babysitter and escaping the friendzone fantasy, and which ends with the powerful female lead being a trophy wife, is contributing absolutely nothing of value and should be blocked and scrolled past on sight.
A lot of the atla voice actors ship zutara. but just imagine if their actual characters shipped it the same way they do 🤔
Zuko is the Captain of his own damn ship!
Oh captain our (hot)captain! 😭
Katara
Avatar Korra
Uncle Iroh
Toph yes, Toph! See her interview below
Azula EVEN HIS SISTER 😭 I can see it right now…
‘Oh Zuzu, you should thank me that I brought you together. You’re an idiot of you let her go.”
Sokka YES! BRO APPROVES!!!
Uncle Iroh
Even the freaking Cabbage Man you all!
You don’t believe me? Watch this. 👇🏽
There were even talks that kat@aang wasnt even end game yet till bryke put the hammer down👇🏽
Meanwhile, the only people that ship K@taang within the atla production are…
Avatar Aang
Bryan
Mike
Who else? 😅
Goes to show.. the proof is in the pudding 😏 if you know what I mean…
You can even google it who in the atla production ship ka+@ang? And only bryke show up. (I’m pretty sure there might be some more but still…) now google ‘who in the atla production ship zutara?’
great thing about animation is that you know every frame matters, so i checked tsr zutara hug once again only to find some new jems bc wdym im just now realizing that after the hug:
1) katara was looking at zuko's lips (!!!)
2) and then looked up for the eye contact
3) and then as she was leaving kept maintaining the eye contact
my girl katara was flirting and zuko was eating that! shit! up!
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Aang didn't give Katara her childhood back, he helped steal it from her
I've seen a lot of takes about this recently going over how Katara is super serious and Aang being silly and goofy allows her to relax and be a kid again, when it's quite literally the exact opposite. She is forced into a more serious, maternal role prematurely because she feels she has no choice but to take care of Aang because he is irresponsible in a situation where him being irresponsible has disastrous and fatal consequences attached.
(I also have a problem with a lot of takes I've seen blaming both Katara and the audience for parentifying her: nope, that's intentionally included in the text. It was woven into the very foundation of the Kataang relationship. See beneath the cut.)
Katara stepped up in the absence of her mother and took on all sorts of adult roles for the other children both in the Southern Water Tribe and in the group. And people blame her for this, as if it's her fault for taking on these responsibilities, saying she could stop at any time and that no one is asking her to do these things. But if she stops, it doesn't get done and the stakes for things not getting done include the world ending and more people dying.
They will go without clothes, without food, without shelter, without emotional support (which for Aang means remaining in the Avatar state and actively endangering people!). She keeps the group moving forward, keeps them on track. Literally if she stops, the world ends because she's the one primarily concerned with Aang's training while he wants to play. It was a constant struggle for her to get him to do even the bare minimum of his responsibilities; he remains resisting training even until the very end of the show. Who knows how quickly he would have stopped if she wasn't there the entire time pushing him along?
That isn't him letting her have fun and act like a kid, that is him burdening her with more responsibilities because HE wants to act like a kid in a situation where they don't have the space to. Katara doesn't need to shirk responsibility and mess around, she needs HELP. She needs someone to take some of these necessary chores off her back. She needs freedom from being the one who is just assumed to take all these things on.
Yes, she is a kid. She shouldn't have to deal with this. But because she's responsible and moral, she won't just stop and let everyone suffer because of it. Every time she blows off chores to "be a kid" having fun with Aang, she has more work to do afterwards because no one else will have done the work in her absence. That isn't freeing, it's stressful.
It's also why him putting her on a pedestal and doing meaningless displays for her affections are not signs of real love. Real love is not distracting someone from work you put on their back in a way that makes their life harder, it's finding out what actually would make their life easier and doing that. Which for Katara would be helping her with work that was his to begin with: doing it without being asked, without expecting praise, without needing her to hold his hand through it. Doing it because it is his responsibility to begin with.
People often bring up that he was willing to give up the Avatar state for her. But I submit to you: that wasn't for her, it was for him. He doesn't want responsibility, he wants Katara. And he's willing to subject her to living in a world he no longer can save (a world where her loved ones will suffer and die) to hold onto his one-sided infatuation/attachment to her. Again, this wasn't a gesture of love, it was selfish. He didn't consider how it would affect or negatively impact Katara or if it's even something she'd want (it's not!), just how it would affect him. Just like he doesn't consider how she feels about him back and only worries about how he will feel if she doesn't like him back as if it's the only important factor in their relationship.
Aang doesn't give her back her childhood. He takes it away. She has to be the adult so that he doesn't have to. He gets to be a kid because she's taking care of everything else for him like a mother. Katara was forced to marry a guy she'd always have to be carrying in terms of both domestic labor and emotional labor because that's the dynamic they intentionally wrote. Carrying the weight of a whole other person in a relationship and having to fix all their problems like that is not sustainable and is an abusive dynamic. Love is selfless; it isn't benefitting from the toil of your partner nor doing whatever you want to their detriment.
That's why Zuko joining the group having learned the value behind this kind of labor is so important. He is the only other character shown to take up some of these responsibilities consistently: without being told, without expecting praise, without having his hand held. He packs, serves food, is strict and disciplined about enforcing training onto Aang. He is also the only one who allows Katara to process her negative emotions, another burden that she lifts from others but only Zuko helps her heal from. Katara acts way more like a teenager in front of him than she ever did around the others, teasing him and coming across way lighter. Because with him picking up the slack, she actually has the room and freedom to relax because she has less to worry about.
(How the relationship was characterized and the problems with it under the cut:)
And yes, this dynamic was intentional. Doing everything for him and taking care of him like a mother: intentional. Her feeling obligated to keep performing all this extra labor for him because he's the Avatar and she literally needs him because the world will end if he's not on track: intentional. Him distracting her instead of helping her with burdens placed on her by taking care of him: intentional. Him never actually becoming responsible and helping her pick up the slack: intentional.
This dynamic is intentionally written for Katara to be his supportive mother-girlfriend who does everything for him while he's just goofing around. Because it's a male fantasy. It doesn't matter how draining and frustrating it is for Katara, it just matters that she's eternally devoted to Aang and takes care of all his needs.
Also, it's super creepy that they even knowingly draw attention to the huge power imbalance between them forcing her into an oppressive role like this in that she thinks she has to do this for him because he's the Avatar. That should be considered a huge foundational problem in this dynamic, and it's instead glossed over as if it's a character flaw on Katara's part for Aang to feel insecure about... When Aang actively enables her to believe this all the times he shirks responsibility or puts them in danger when he's in the Avatar state and needs her to prod him back on track. Every time he runs away and leaves them in mortal danger. These all reinforce the power imbalance in their dynamic. Without Katara being forced into this role, again, the world could easily end: the Avatar would not train, or would go into an uncontrolled murderous Avatar state frenzy, etc.
Does she really have a choice here? If the alternative is putting the world at risk?
Yeah, I completely agree with this. Ever since people who know more about the philosophies and spirituality of the show explained certain things to me more, I’ve known that the show did a half-hearted attempt at East Asian philosophy.
And the things is, I really think they wanted to incorporate the philosophy all the way, but it was scrapped because of Ka/taang. For instance, Zuko had something called a Kundalini awakening in Book 2 (that fever dream thing) and in Book 3, after The Awakening he doesn’t really act like it.
Or the stuff about chakras and attachment being completely contradicted and ruined. And here’s the thing, I don’t personally believe in any of this spirituality and most of the philosophy, but I like it when a show I like is consistent in its metaphysics and lore.
You can’t choose to use a system (in ATLA’s case Hindu and Buddhist philosophy) for your show’s lore, metaphysics and logic and then contradict, butcher and or abandon it, which is what ATLA’s writers did, as Book 3 pretty much threw away all the philosophy the show was using.
I’ve said before that there’s a reason why ATLA isn’t actually popular in the places that the cultures are gotten from, and this is why, they can tell when their own philosophy is being butchered.
Then yeah, Zutara would’ve most definitely been endgame had East Asian writers who knew a lot about the philosophy wrote them. Like I’ve always said Zutara had a similar subtlety and timelessness that Studio Ghibli romances had.