UBI needs to happen. via antiwork
I think most importantly, it would give us the leverage to say “no”. To walk away from bad jobs and abusive managers. To refuse to work in unsafe environments. To demand better pay.
To demand better, because the options are no longer “suck it up” or “die”.
and that’s why there’s so much resistance to implementing it - capitalism wants workers who don’t have a choice
You do know it only ‘works’, if you can cal it that, because the countries that have it pay a lot more taxes than the US? People already bitch about taxes now. You want Universal Healthcare and then have even more taxes?
No thank you.
Capitalism isn’t bad. It’s a lot better than what you all want. More freedom to leave a job, move a state, etc than in socialism.
The US spends more per person on healthcare than most other countries while millions of people don’t have any healthcare, so this argument is pretty self evidently absolute BS. You’re already paying more for healthcare via the government than people in countries where everyone has healthcare, and have lower health expectancy than most of the countries who both spend less per capita and manage to provide universal healthcare for their citizens in some form.
If you think you’re winning anything paying more per capita and getting worse healthcare, idk what to tell you.
If we have bad healthcare why do we have other countries coming in to get surgeries and etc? Why do we have doctors from other countries coming to learn from us?
Why do we have more options for healthcare than most? Why do we, mostly, only to wait weeks or maybe two/three months for a surgery when other countries sometimes wait years for the same?
Show me where it actually works and no one ever came to our country for surgery or another thing. Show me the countries who have never had anyone visit us. Show me the countries that love their healthcare, that don’t lose doctors and nurses. Who don’t have to wait for surgeries, whose taxes aren’t higher than the cost of living. (We don’t count in this scenario. I’m talking about other countries, not ours.)
Show me and maybe I’ll change my mind on universal healthcare.
The US healthcare is a whole lot better than others and I know it can be bad.
Do your own homework 🤦🏻 you can start here:
List of countries by total health expenditure per capita - Wikipedia
Also suggest you take a look at maternal death rates per capita compared to similarly rich countries, another metric which is horrifying in the US, which is one of the few places where it’s got worse, not better, in recent years:
List of countries by maternal mortality ratio - Wikipedia
US healthcare is (mostly) great if you’re rich. Big whoop. (Also helps a lot if you’re white 😬 The disparity in maternal death rates by race is also appalling in the US.) People die from completely preventable causes because they can’t afford to pay through the nose.
Do you know how obscene it is that diabetics have to ration out their insulin based on the fact they can’t afford a new vial, not based on their blood sugar? Or have had to choose between rent and insulin? People die because of the artificially inflated price of something that’s been used therapeutically for a century! If you think the US healthcare system “works”, I don’t know if you’re ignorant or if you’re just cruel.
(BTW the “if people come here to get or give healthcare then there must be no problems” standard is laughable. You know people leave the US for healthcare reasons, too? Lackwit.)
I’m not your mum, nor am I your teacher. Fix your own damn ignorance. Frankly even as much information as I’ve given you here is out of sheer anger at your cluelessness. Fucking well do better. This is as much energy as I’m willing to spend on you.
ETA: someone else did some more of your homework for you:
Thank you @tachyon-at-rest.
The notion that US healthcare is fine really because at least the government doesn’t spend as much is BS, and the notion you get better outcomes for it is also BS. HTH!
@tinymacaroni also makes an excellent point about the US’ military budget.
I know we leave but I think more come in then we leave for healthcare.
The military budget has what to do with healthcare? Even if it does, we all bitch about it and for one thing we are helping how many countries besides our own! When we should just concentrate on our own mostly?
The insulin you can blame this government on. It was down but thanks to Biden went back up. Everything did thanks to this government.
I hate when people bitch about people asking for resources and then say do your own research. You know it’s hard for people to do so in RL sometimes.
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Would you mind telling me your thoughts on this?
Good or bad? I have to look into everything. When I have time.
You people think UI will magically make everything better. It won’t. It probably, might be worse.
I don’t do link spam, because for every argument you can find and equally as compelling counter argument online
Here’s my two cents
American Healthcare is garbage, but it has little to do with the CONCEPT of paid Healthcare or UBI for that matter
Government-run Healthcare has just as many issues, from insane bureaucracy to long waiting times, to chronic bad pay and lack of staff, to inability to get treatment for more rare ailments, to so much more. It’s not a black and white issue.
The root of American problems is insane corruption and lobbying from the insurance companies. It’s not something you can solve by throwing more money at it.
The big problem with UBI is lack of studies on generational effects. Early hardworking recipients of welfare continued to work hard, while their children and especially grandchildren who were born into the system began abusing it. There’s no guarantee UBI won’t work the same.
What are your thoughts on the German style of healthcare? Keeping the public option as default and allowing those who can afford it, can get better insurance
That seems reasonable-ish. Is there an option to opt out of paying the Healthcare tax if you get insurance?
From my understanding, those who are in the public option pay a contribution (taxes on income) to a local fund for the citizens to use. Those who unenroll from the public option would not pay to that contribution anymore. The private option would be similar to how it works in the US; which, is a lot less since companies tend not to inflate prices as much there.
I've long held the belief that going all-in with either public or private is a recipe for disaster, and that keeping both options open is the happy medium.
