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I was on the slab preparing to have my appendix removed in a hurry. I recall chatting with the anesthesiologist and asking if I should count back from 100 or such? "Nope" was the confident reply.
They had taken away my glasses. I was looking up at the fuzzy light thinking I'll try to fight it. I blinked, the light got fuzzier, and I woke up in recovery.
Really drove home that I'm a chemical machine with a "sleep" button.
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Text of tweet under the cut because it is loooong.
But... Stochastic Parrots.
Timnit Gebru was fired from Google in December 2020 for refusing to retract a research paper, and every single warning that paper made about large language models has now happened at a scale the industry spent 4 years trying to make people forget about.
Her name is Timnit Gebru.
She co-led the Ethical AI team at Google. She co-wrote a paper called "On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots" with Emily Bender at the University of Washington and two other researchers. The paper was 14 pages long. It was submitted to a top AI ethics conference. And it was the reason Google decided that one of the most senior Black women in AI research could no longer work there.
The story Google told publicly was that she resigned. The story she told, confirmed by 2,695 of her colleagues in an open letter, was that she was fired by email while on vacation because she refused to either retract the paper or remove her name from it.
The paper had not even been published yet.
Here is what she actually wrote, and why every prediction inside it has now come true.
The first warning was about scale itself. Bender and Gebru argued that training ever-larger models on ever-larger scrapes of the internet would produce systems that appeared fluent but had no actual understanding of language. They called these systems stochastic parrots because they would repeat patterns from training data with statistical confidence and zero comprehension. The paper predicted that this apparent intelligence would fool both users and developers into trusting outputs that were structurally incapable of being reliable.
This was 2020. GPT-3 had just come out. The paper predicted the hallucination problem before anyone had a word for it.
The second warning was about bias amplification. The paper documented in detail that internet-scale training data contains systematic overrepresentation of dominant viewpoints and underrepresentation of marginalized ones. The models would not just absorb this bias. They would amplify it, because the optimization process rewards confident outputs, and confidence in language patterns tracks frequency in the training set.
The prediction was that hiring tools built on these models would discriminate against women. That healthcare triage tools would underperform on Black patients. That loan approval systems would entrench inequality while presenting their decisions as neutral algorithmic judgment.
Every one of those things has now been documented in deployment.
Amazon's hiring algorithm penalized resumes that contained the word "women" in any context. Healthcare risk scoring algorithms used by major US hospitals were found to systematically underestimate the medical needs of Black patients. Apple Card's credit algorithm gave wives credit lines 10x lower than their husbands for the same financial profile.
The third warning was about environmental cost. The paper calculated that training a single large language model produced emissions equivalent to the lifetime output of 5 cars. The prediction was that the race to scale would create an environmental footprint that would eventually rival entire industries.
In 2024, Google's emissions were up 48% from 2019, and the company explicitly blamed AI infrastructure. Microsoft's were up 29%, same reason. Both companies have now quietly abandoned the climate commitments they were publicly celebrating the year Gebru was fired.
The fourth warning was about documentation. The paper argued that the training datasets being assembled were too large for anyone to actually audit. Nobody at Google, OpenAI, Meta, or any other lab could tell you with confidence what was in the data their models were trained on. This was not a temporary problem to be solved later. It was a permanent feature of the approach.
In 2023, researchers discovered that the LAION-5B dataset, used to train Stable Diffusion and other major image models, contained thousands of images of child sexual abuse material. The companies that had trained on the dataset had no way of knowing. The paper predicted that category of failure 3 years before it was found.
The fifth warning was the one Google cared about most.
Bender and Gebru argued that the deployment of these systems would centralize linguistic and cultural power in the hands of the small number of companies that could afford to train them. The internet would become a place where the dominant voice was a statistical average of dominant voices, presented as a neutral assistant. Languages underrepresented in the training data would degrade over time as more web content was generated by these systems and fed back into the next training run.
This is now happening in real time. A 2024 study found that 57% of new web content in English is AI-generated or AI-assisted. Researchers studying low-resource languages have documented active degradation in translation quality, because the synthetic content fed back into training is itself worse in those languages.
The paper Google fired her for predicted the model collapse problem before model collapse had a name.
The mechanism behind why this all happened is the part of her work that nobody quotes.
Gebru's argument was not that AI is dangerous in some abstract sci-fi sense. Her argument was that AI is dangerous in a very specific structural sense. The technology was being built by a small group of researchers who shared similar backgrounds, worked at similar companies, and were rewarded for shipping products faster than competitors. The incentive structure made it impossible for safety, ethics, and bias concerns to slow anything down. Anyone inside the system who raised those concerns was either ignored, sidelined, or removed.
She was making that argument from inside Google.
Then Google proved her right by removing her.
The team Google had built to make sure their AI was safe was dismantled in 90 days because they did the job they had been hired to do. Margaret Mitchell, the other co-lead of the Ethical AI team, was fired two months after Gebru for searching through her own emails for evidence of how Gebru had been treated.
Gebru did not stop. She founded DAIR, the Distributed AI Research Institute, in 2021. The mission is to do AI research outside the control of the companies that have a financial interest in not hearing the answers.
Every prediction in the Stochastic Parrots paper has now been validated by deployment. Hallucinations are an industry-wide problem the largest labs cannot solve. Bias amplification has been documented in hiring, healthcare, lending, and criminal justice. Environmental costs are larger than entire small countries. Training data audits remain impossible. Model collapse is an active research crisis at every major lab.
The question worth sitting with is the one almost no one in the industry will say out loud.
Every researcher with the technical credibility to call out these problems watched what happened to her in December 2020 and made a calculation about their own career. The number of people willing to speak publicly about safety and ethics issues inside the major AI labs collapsed after that firing and has not recovered.
The researcher Google fired for warning about exactly what is now happening was right.
The company that fired her is now the second-largest deployer of the technology she warned about.
And the people inside that company who agree with her are not allowed to say so.
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Why is lasagne the only fresh food that gets sold in a pre-made "some assembly required" state in grocery store? You get a jar of red sauce, jar of white sauce, the pasta sheets and meat, and assemble at home. Boom, fresh homemade pasta.
Why is there no tiramisu being sold semi-assembled in jars?
I don't want to be mean, but somehow you got every single part of what I just said backwards, to mean the opposite of what I meant. I am frankly just impressed you managed to do that.
I'm really scouring this with my reading comprehension beam, and I don't understand how the replier got OP's question backwards
OP says the following: Lasagna is sometimes sold as a kit in its constituent parts instead of as a whole. Tiramisu, for instance, is not. Why is that?
Replier posits that it is because lasagna noodles would get soggy, whereas in OP's example of tiramisu, the ladyfingers are supposed to be soggy, and self-assembled tiramisu would have to sit for several hours or overnight to achieve soggitude
Ergo, OP's question is answered: lasagna is the only food item sold this way because of the sog factor, which is not relevant to most other foods
the only issue I'm encountering is that I have literally never seen lasagna sold in the way OP is describing, and sogginess in prepackaged lasagna has never been an issue for me
I was wondering why tiramisu is not sold IKEA style - in separate parts that you assemble at home - while lasagna is also sold as separate ingredients (pictured below, the red sauce and white sauce, pre-made specifically in order to be arranged into lasagna at home):
Both tiramisu and lasagna are sold as pre-made packaged things, that are ready-to-eat as is (although microwave meal lasagna is best when heated before consumption):
And instead of reading it as "why cannot tiramisu also have both of the two options, like lasagna does?" they understood the question to mean "why do they not sell premade lasagna?"
Ah, I see. I think they got confused by the phrasing "sold in a pre-made 'some assembly required' way" which implies a kit you buy as one unit with all constituent parts included, as opposed to buying all constituent parts separately.
I also forgot to clarify that they do sell pre-made lasagna in grocery stores, as it did not occur to me that this is not an universal experience. I am too European to comprehend a grocery store that does not sell microwave meal lasagna.
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Anyone advocating "treat bikes like cars" has never seriously used a bike as transportation.
I've gotta pedal my ass, and all my stuff, uphill, in the rain, with 2 ton death machines whizzing by, avoiding storm drains and parked cars. If I'm lucky there's a bike lane which will probably disappear and feed me into traffic. I'm constantly choosing between legality and safety.
Car drivers sit strapped in climate-controlled comfort surrounded by air bags while they slightly depress their foot.
When we talk about a living wage and the answer is "get a better job", the jobs paying poverty wages still exist. That work doesn't go away. That labor is still necessary. The pay is still poor. Someone is still laboring in poverty so others can get rich.
Don't bring anyone's mother into this, she ain't here! If it wasn't for your mother, you wouldn't be here! So remember, when you put down one mother, you're putting down mothers all over the world!
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ID: three bluesky posts by Kat Tenbarge @ kattenbarge.bsky.social.
At a time when mass surveillance and autonomous weapons companies like Palantir are openly announcing their plans for violent world domination, it is crucial that our attempts at "big tech reform" don't actually give them more power---ie via government mandated age verification/identity software
A lot of our big "we're gonna hold big tech accountable" bills actually hand them + the government unprecedented power to track, censor, and deplatform internet users---and would require us to link our identities to everything we do online, meaning no more privacy. Greatly reducing opposition to them
And the big cultural push around "big tech reform" is the idea that we're protecting children from the harms of big tech, when we're actually giving big tech the very power they seek to destroy the world for all children. And that is no longer hyperbolic when Palantir is announcing it via manifesto.
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