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disclaimers about the host of this venue:
1. im black and a faggot
2. everything here is my own opinion. i am a proudly tough critic
3. i have overwhelmingly negative feelings towards lestat. Sam reid and i take turns with the lestat tulpa anne left behind when she died
4. im autistic and sometimes have trouble articulating my thoughts clearly. im always open to talk if something i said came off wrong. just remember that communication is a two-way street
i am aware that i talk strangely. my tolerance for trifling activity and hostility is nonexistent. if you piss me off i will kill you
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My completely unserious conspiracy theory is that Rolin Jones has been in a 20-year psychological cage match with the concept of failure ever since he was a Pulitzer finalist and the Pulitzer committee said “actually nobody deserves this one.” Fast forward: he gets the opportunity to be a show runner after a couple more middling tv gigs and his team makes an incredible first season of Interview with the Vampire, the kind of work that could plausibly become the thing he is most remembered for, but he’s still bitter and mad that he had to do a second season that was hobbled in quality by multiple strikes instead of moving onto The Vampire Lestat like he wanted. So The Vampire Lestat is not about Lestat. It is about Rolin Jones working out his frustrations about failing as an artist and getting popular for things you don’t necessarily like and punishing people for liking the thing you made that you don’t personally like. It’s a show made by him about him for him with some book names and Daniel’s old Bowie stories loosely attached
season 3 rant as of 3.03 copy and pasted directly from twitter
ive been really quiet about my big s3 critiques so far but since were 3 eps in i think i can put down the good faith and optimism:
the POV theme-turned-gimmick is ruining the season's storytelling and episode structure. I feel like im being led on, ESPECIALLY as a book reader. This season wants to be about 'lestats truth'* as much as it wants to be about him reckoning with his own trauma but it is literally not affording time for either of these things.
The gimmick is also getting to a point where its clearly infringing on the audiences' ability to engage with what's being put on screen even semi-objectively—that the separation between watsonian and doylist perspectives is becoming non-existent. Sometimes things are bad. When the rebuttal towards a critique hinges solely on "its because of [Lestat's subjective retelling!]" that's not analysis, that's cope and I think you, as a willing, invested audience member should want more than LESS than the bare minimum from this show's THIRD season.
the writers could be writing for themselves rather than the audience theyve cultivated for all we know, but there is no show without an audience. respect yourselves enough to be able to acknowledge even the most basic writing/production shortcomings.
I really, really fucking hate gabriella. I was already largely neutral towards gabrielle in the book and WAS looking forward to seeing how the show would elevate her character but this ep has left me feeling like a fucking dipshit for believing that the writers ever had the intention of doing so.
Her presence is pissing me off because it is making the writers' intent wrt lestats trauma utterly incompréhensible? am i supposed to take it seriously? do [the WRITERS] even take it seriously? why has gabrielle, a character with the potential to become extremely interesting if expanded on, been reduced to a comic "relief" where her humor solely revolves around her sexual affinity towards her son?
THIS ISN'T COMPELLING! ITS ANNOYING AND TAKING UP MINUTES OF RUNTIME that could be spent properly fleshing out characters or giving more room for lestats past? all the material that I was actually looking forward to seeing has been abbreviated for these contemporary bits which feels like more of a detriment than a useful storytelling device.
Why does it feel like Im being punished for giving a shit about louis and claudia? Lestat was afforded far more respect and grace from Louis' pov. Why does every mention of louis feel like its meant to undercut absolutely EVERYTHING about his perspective, to humiliate him? Especially with this season introducing new louis "lies"/misrememberings to make jabs at.**
Why the fuck can't the writers let claudia rest? What is so titillating about this specific trauma of hers that it feels like she is being solely reduced to it, just to up the potency of the angstfarming that's being done with louis? Why do i feel like im being mocked for being invested in both louis and claudias stories as victims despite the first two seasons clearly wanting me to be?
Who is this season for???? FUCKKKK???!??? I want to enjoy it so bad but I feel like im getting played in my face so fucking badly!!!
*He's admitted to lying to louis (about gabriella) and is maintaining that lie with daniel—am i meant to be anything but extremely scrutinous towards his pov?! The writers are really banking on Lestat's charm, but it does not work on me. It just makes me want to [TEAR HIM APART.]
**There've been multiple racially charged slights/jokes with little to no pushback in-show and I'm getting sick of it. There is something really appalling about the concept of the writers—none of whom are black—laughing about these jokes enough to incorporate them in the script.
At one point i thought “i’m glad this is a separate show” and felt really bad for thinking so. I am a fan of seasons 1 and 2 and I go into tvl as not a new viewer but as a returning viewer of iwtv who is ready to see the story continue. It's hard to get invested or even get used to it though, as it doesnt feel as if the show wants to be considered as its own show OR season 3 of iwtv. And its bouncing through that constantly throughout the episode that it doesnt feel like one or the other.
You know how netflix originals sometimes have large recaps when a new season drops; thats what the premiere felt like. Those segments that are from 2 to 15 minutes long was stretched out into a 55 minute premiere that didnt know what it wanted to do with the time it had. Are we retreading already covered ground or are we launching off into this seasons arc… whatever that may be?
I have to compare the introduction of louis’ arc in s1 and the development of it in s2 to this premiere. Because what is the arc thats in store for lestat? Louis’ was clear. We didnt finish the interview. I want to try again. Our time apart has given me the space to become the me who was meant to impart my story unto you. That shit. In season two, theres more happening to this story than even I can see. I want to solve it. You’re invested. Solve it with me. Etc.
Ive only watched detroit once and im certain that the arc is likely more obvious on a rewatch than on a blind first watch. The “telling my side of the story” slash “setting the record straight” thing is a diversion for whats actually supposed to come, RIGHT? Tvl (book) is not about setting the record straight. Much like iwtv and louis, its a reflection of lestats history up until the present day. But what does he want to actually get out of this reflection? A hug?
The premiere translates anne rice’s habit of scatterbrained storytelling pretty faithfully, possibly too faithfully. Its a very distinct voice and I can see why it resonated with readers, especially as it got more attached to lestat’s character voice as the book series continued. I hate this aspect of anne rice’s storytelling. I do not think the way they are going about adapting it for the show is very engaging or entertaining. I can recognize rice’s strengths as a writer and I can also recognize the traits in her writing that make me go “Yeah, thats an anne rice moment.” Not all of her writing traits are strengths, though...this being one of them
While the energy of lestat lackadasically recounting events is maintained, I dont think such a straightforward adaptation of it works for television. Tvl book feels conversational in how lestat presents the story to us, and because of it it feels far more intimate. I think this is also bolstered by the fact that reading books is a generally solo activity whether youre part of a book club or not, the words are for you. Lestat is speaking to you!
In the case of tv… or specifically how this narration is being handled for the show, that level of intimacy does not come thru. It feels quite the opposite somehow. I think it partially has to do with the context of which we’re hearing lestats narration. We’re hearing a pre-recording of him detailing events, and we (real life audience) aren’t even its actual recipient. Its no longer a conversation as Lestat is not even here.
More personal gripes:
-Baby Jenks’ out of body scene was really bad to the point of upsetting me (I was really looking forward to seeing it adapted.)
-I get that Lestat is the type to be really futzy about minor details of his portrayal. Even still, addressing minor inconsistencies in appearance between seasons is such a baffling choice. Scars is one thing as thats a trait unique to lestat, but the comment about hair length pisses me off because lestat/sam isnt the only person whose hair got longer between seasons. Jacob and assads hair is also longer. And the excuse of misremembering cannot be applied to them like it can to lestat because their appearances are not part of a recollection. It feels like the writers are rubbing salt into the wound, or that the “memory is a monster” theme is morphing into a gimmick that’ll just end up being at louis’ expense, especially in the eyes of the audience. Do we respect louis’ story as a victim, blank spots, misrememberings and all? How much longer is he going to be humiliated, both in the show and out?
-Season one’s premiere left me awestruck. I’ve never seen anything this good before. I need to see more. Much like season three, season two’s premiere also served as a semi torch passing/transitional episode as well though on a much less precarious scale. The only difference to me is that the torch pass into season 2 sticks the landing much better than season 3
I love this show. I dont like that I have to say that what I'm seeing is bad, but if im gonna do anything its Keep It Real. We’ll see what happens from here.
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#that's what iwtv is for louis (though as a novel it is not a hero journey. as a tv series - yes!)
Oh please talk about this further…
I would love to
while IWTV the series is very very similar, thematically, to IWTV the novel, one of the largest changes is they type of story that is being told. as a novel, IWTV was a way that AR coped with the death and loss of her child. she's stated in her autobiography and biography that in IWTV, she was Louis, her husband Stan was Lestat, and her daughter Michele was Claudia. this was, primarily, how she dealt with these factors: that her husband became domineering and controlling in the face of an uncontrollable situation (Michele's sickness and eventual death), that she became passive in the face of that same situation, and that Michele grew up far far too fast, was a little adult in a child's body by the end. in turn, IWTV the novel is written as a letter of grief, and the interview portion of the novel is meant to pose as a warning.
we see some of this in the 1973 interview in the show, but it's heavier in the novel. in the show, Louis barely gets through the story when talking to Daniel before Daniel interjects with the "Give it [vampirism] to me!" while in the book Louis gets through the entire story before Daniel finally goes, "Is that it!? That can't be it! Make me a vampire!" but one thing is very consistent which is Louis' anger at Daniel's request. he's so upset that that is what Daniel takes from the interview. this was to be a warning! not an encouragement.
the show doesn't work in this same manner though, especially (obviously) the 2022!interview.
from the first scene of Louis and Daniel together in the living area of the penthouse, we learn this isn't the same. Daniel asks what has changed, and Louis says, "the world...me...and I, too, find the tapes lacking...truth and reconciliation." this interview, the show, is not a letter of grief, it is not a warning: it is an adventure, a search for truth.
the hero's journey has a general format that it follows. because the hero's journey has existed since the very beginning of storytelling, there are a lot of deviations, but the general format is as follows:
- the hero has some kind of call to an adventure or journey
- the needed aid
- the first threshold where the hero goes into the unknown
- the willingness to change
- the trials of transformation
- atonement
- apotheosis
- the achievement
- refusal
- the final fight and rescue
- the crossing back on the threshold
- freedom to live
this is exactly what Louis goes through in IWTV.
- he has a call to adventure (the need to uncover the truth and the interview itself is the journey)
- the needed aid (Daniel), the first threshold (the beginning of retelling the interview with more nuance)
- the willingness to change (the first time Louis is confronted with questions ("Was it raining, Louis?" and the realization on Louis' face that he doesn't know things as well as he maybe thought he did))
- the trials of transformation (the interview continuing and more things coming to light)
- atonement (the s1 finale and what it reveals about Armand and about Louis' memories)
- apotheosis (the truth is revealed in the season 2 finale)
- refusal (Louis doesn't believe it at first (this is very very very brief in the show))
- the final fight and rescue (the final confrontation with Armand, the shaking of hands with Daniel)
- the crossing back on the threshold (going back to New Orleans and Lestat and them talking about Claudia)
- freedom to live ("I own the night")
in a simpler way, the hero's journey is this: a hero who goes on an adventure or a journey, is successful said adventure or journey, and is subsequently changed or transformed.
TVL as a novel was always a hero's journey, one told in a very interesting way given that Lestat's largest mental transformation comes at the very beginning of the story, but - as I said above - there are deviations to the journey given how old the general idea of it is.
but I think it's incredibly wonderful that the show made Louis have a hero's journey as well! it's part of how he's allowed to have so much more depth than he does in the novels, because we do see him transformed so fully by the end of IWTV. book!Louis isn't changed by the end of the interview. he never wanted to be changed, never searched for anything. but show!Louis goes on such a journey, one we get to take side by side with him, and we leave with such a thorough understanding and appreciation of what he went through to get there.
⚰️ IWTV Works & Research Sources (Pt∞ - AMC's S1 & S2 Auction Books)
These were a lot harder, since there's no in-universe context for where these books were--they could've been in NOLA (1132, the DPDL estate), or Armand's office at TdV, or Loumand's Dubai penthouse, or wherever. So I had to just guess for most of these. 🤷♂️
RENAISSANCE - 18th CENTURY
1533-1592: Essais Montaigne (Claudia & Louis)
1793-1875: Le Négrier ("The Slaver") - Edouard Corbière (x x x) (The Unholy Family)
19th CENTURY
1812 - 1827: Robinson Suisse - Johann David Wyss (The Unholy Family)
1827: Vie de Napoleon - Walter Scott
1847: Le Cousin Pons - Honoré de Balzac (Louis & Claudia vs TdV) (x)
1852: Les robinsons de terre ferme - Mayne Reid (Louis & Claudia…?)
1862-1941: Lettres de femmes -Marcel Prévost (Claudeleine)
1864: La San-Felice, Tome 03 - Alexandre Dumas (Claudia vs TdV)
1866/1903: Dělníci moře - Victor Hugo (Czech translation Toilers of the Sea) (Lestat) (x)
1869: Romain Kalbris, the Adventures of a Runaway by Land and Sea - Hector Malot (Lestat / TVL) (x x x)
1871: Après la pluie, le beau temps - Countess of Ségur (Claudia) (x)
1872: A Satchel Guide to Europe - William James Rolfe, William Day Crockett (Claudia)
1875: Bible (A.J. Holman & Co.) (I reckon this belonged to either Father Matthias or the DPDLs, since it's ab American Bible company making these--unless Lestat bought it for Louis as one of his poost-Ep5 Fight mea culpas.)
1877: L'Olonnais - Gustave Aimard (Lestat)
1882 - 1886: Le Tour du Monde (Claudia)
1894: Le Lys Rouge - Anatole France (Loustat vs Loumand)
1896: Revue Spirite - Allan Kardec (x) (I wonder if this was one of Louis' books, and if he'd been contemplating contacting ghost!Claudia for a while.... 👀)
1899: The Century Dictionary and Cyclopedia, Vol. IV - William Dwight Whitney, Benjamin Eli Smith
20th CENTURY
1900: Théatre de J. Racine - Ernest Flammarion (TdV)
1903: La Mortelle impuissance: roman du dilettantisme ("Mortal Impotence: A Novel of Dilettantism") - Maffeo Charles Poinsot, Georges Normandy (x) (Louis’ coming of age & gay crisis)
1905: Nouveau Petit Larousse Illustre - Claude Auge (illustrated French encyclopedia)
1914: Au bord du gouffre - Victor Margueritte (WWI & Jonah...?)
1920: Les Guides Bleus Suisse - Marcel Monmarche (Claudia...?)
1923: Le Compagnon - Victor Margueritte (Claudia)
1927: La Retraite Ardente - Marcel Prévost (Claudeleine...?)
1928: Le Nouvel anacharsis - Abel Hermant (Louis & Paul...?)
1929: La France & ses colonies au XIXe siècle - Ernest Lalanne (NOLA)
1934: Die Herden Gottes - Hans Tolten (1x7, The Unholy Family’s “plan” to migrate to Argentina) (x)
1940s: Sélection du livre - La vie quotidienne à l'Elysée au temps de Charles de Gaulle, La pionnière, Le négociateur, L'enfant et l'anniverssaire oublié ("Book Selection — Daily Life at the Élysée Palace in the Time of Charles de Gaulle, The Pioneer, The Negotiator, The Child and the Forgotten Birthday") - Rudolph Frank Claude Dulong, Jeanne Williams, Frederick Forsyth (2x2 Louis; 2x6 Madeleine)
1942: L'Étranger - Albert Camus (2x2 Daniel vs Louis)
1947: Les Bonnes -Jean Genet (1x7 Claudia’s Murder Plot)
Books from the auction that I skipped and did not put on the list:
UNKNOWN DATES (alphabetical)
L'iliade - collection des ecrivains illustres par Homere - Henri Beziat
La grace et la gloire - Jean-Baptiste Terrien
Les Conflits Intersexuels et Sociaux - Edouard Docteur Toulouse
Murray's Handbook of Travel-Talk - John Murray
Sélection du livre reader's digest Bye bye Geneviève, Kajou le blaireau, Les naufragés des neiges, La nuit du renard - M. Higgins Clark G. Dubosq, E. Clarkson, R-M. Stern
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what people often don't realize about "dear, this is a stein" scene in s2e4 is that it's not even super important if armand put those photos there or not. i can easily imagine the scenario that talamasca did it, for example, in order to put more tension between two powerful vampires.
what mattered the most in that scene (and their subsequent argument) is that it revealed hidden dynamic in dubai apartment. and i think once you fully realize all the implications of that scene, you'll also realize that there's no point at all to defend armand with technicality of "who did this".
season 1 depicted louis as someone who had full power in the apartment, since armand was pretending to be a member of the staff, someone who served louis. after it's revealed to be a disguise, armand and louis give another, more subtle performance instead: that they're equals, that they're romantic partners who do everything together. there are some suspicious details you can notice in their interactions etc, but they're almost always downplayed, made to be seen as some sorta compromise ("could i see the pages we removed?" - "we made an agreement").
and the thing is, this is the first moment when we see something very clear in their dynamic, something bigger than all the hints we got before it. the scene still doesn't say it explicitly, but it's a great opening for what's gonna be revealed in s2e5. so it's still subtle but it's also not subtle enough to be ignored anymore.
the show does some interesting things there, and i greatly enjoy thinking about them. let's look at some of them closely.
the first thing that happens after louis looks at the photographs is that he starts questioning armand. there's almost no hesitation, he immediately looks at armand and asks him "what is this?".
he also looks very distressed, even though from our pov there is seemingly no reason to think it's something more than misunderstanding or mistake in archival process. and it reveals two fascinating things at once:
1) louis is already on high-alert mode with armand, he already suspects that armand is doing something behind his back specifically to mess with his mind (and we'll come back to "mess with his mind" part a bit later).
2) armand has more control over the house than anyone else, including louis: louis immediately assumes that armand would know who put it there even if louis himself doesn't. he's asking him like he's the owner of the archive, even though it's mostly about louis' life.
and let's look at how the show masterfully frames the dynamic between two of them visually. louis is squatting of the floor in order to look at photographs, but he technically doesn't have to. this is deliberate creative decision: louis is positioned in the shot to once again look up at armand from the lower point, while armand looks down on him. it's the framing of adult talking to a child, not someone equal. very similar thing was done in s1e7 as well.
and here's the iconic line: "dear, this is a stein". armand is very condescending here, maybe a bit ironic. instead of putting himself to louis' level, like trying to look at the photos himself and maybe make some believable theories, he uses the situation to frame louis as the "hysterical" and "unreasonable" one. so even if armand didn't do this, his reaction reveals that he doesn't take louis seriously and (at the very least) doesn't mind that it makes louis look delusional in front of other people.
meanwhile louis looks increasingly anxious and desperate to be believed to. he wants to hear validation that he's not out of his mind. this is clearly not the first time something like this happened: the way louis also immediately tries to defend and explain himself demonstrates that it's a common occurrence in the house that he gets blamed for "weird" things like this. and it seems like usually armand is both the source of accusation and comfort: he implies the possibility that louis is delusional and he also calms louis down, gives him possible excuses. it's a routine.
and speaking of dismissing louis, let's look at the next thing armand does. louis asks him questions, but armand answers to daniel. the same exact thing will happen in s2e6 too when armand explains the whole san francisco incident (not looking in louis' direction at all). this is the most clear display of power: armand is calm and collected, not even looking at louis, but talking to his guest instead. there's a message here, it's like he's saying "you see, dear guest, louis sometimes acts out, but let's not blame him because he's not healthy".
another interesting thing about their dynamic: louis takes this! he's still pissed off obviously (and they will continue to argue about this later), but instead of pushing back and at least standing up to look armand in the eyes, he stops questioning him. because it's embarrassing. and now he's put in the situation where he has to apologize and explain himself to daniel. the framing is not a genuine confusion or misunderstanding, the framing is pure humiliation. and this is exactly why this scene is often compared to the painting scene in 'gaslight (1944)'.
and speaking of gaslighting, we see this scene developing into the full-blown argument later in their bedroom. and once again, the show is framing louis as standing below armand. and once again, louis looks very distressed over the situation next to mostly calm armand. and at this point it may seem like louis is simply paranoid or delusional. but this time around the audience for this is not daniel, but us and louis himself. here's another key line that reveals another hidden dynamic between louis and armand:
at this point in the show "you sure about that?" may seem like genuine frustrated reaction from armand, who's tired of being accused. and it could even be genuine! but it demonstrates how he react to louis' "paranoia": instead of finding ways to stop it or ease it, he deflects this paranoia back on louis himself.
and remember, louis already experienced hallucinations and memory lapses, louis already has doubts in his own sanity. at this point of time, he's convinced that armand knows what's better for him. so why put it there, why feed into that doubt even more? because it's all about control.
but what's also interesting, louis doesn't easily accept the excuses this time. he fights back. and he once again brings up what he thinks armand is doing: messing with his mind, trying to "coddle him". as dutifully as louis plays his role of the owner of the house, he's very aware of his position in relation to armand and what kind of control armand has over him.
and not only he's aware of it, he basically accepts this totally fucked up thing as some frustrating but unavoidable part of their life together: he's stressed, he's fighting back, he's yelling, but he's still in the bedroom with armand. they're gonna sleep in the same bed after this. it's a common occurrence that's normalized in their home.
and this theme will continue to be explored in more details in s2e5 and s2e6 ("maitre only when it's hot and convenient" - "that's how i took it"). but it was already there in s2e4.
Do you think people downplay Louis’ trauma as a black man born in the late 1800’s? saying that he had it easy compared to other black folks and other vampires given that he grew up rich(as well as all the plantation stuff) Or would you say it’s more complicated than that?
it's downplayed a thousand percent, both in surety and degree. he was born right after the civil war and riiiiight before the forceful of reconstruction. there are so many very blatant conclusions we can draw from this that are horrifying at every single level. from the start he tells us that de pointe du lac is of the lac plantation--like many free black people from the 19thc and their descendants he got his last name from the ppl that enslaved them, and since that's from his father and he specifies that his daddy's father was the one who inherited the plantation, we can assume his grandfather was born enslaved--grandfather first to have plantation implies first to be free, then his daddy loses all the money (prob partly from the encroaching sweep of jim crow, the same reason louis lost all his businesses after less than 2 decades), and the only way his grandfather would've gotten the plantation was manumission and inheritance from his slaver father who raped his mother who had probably been his favorite victim. and then florence either had the same backdrop (not likely) or was also born enslaved (most likely) prior to abolition, and i say most likely bc she wouldve been born 1840s/1850s and by then the french hierarchy of white mixed black was long gone and across the south & especially the deep south, slavery had tightened up a lot and at a peak... so probably one of many lightskin black people whose mother was raped by a white slaver. that's the family and life he's born into! that's not even generational trauma, that's just trauma, no modifiers. chattel slavery is downplayed a lot in general, and i think something that even black ppl can downplay is the depths of rape required to have as many lighter skinned black ppl as we do in the americas. i mean it's the largest and worst sex trafficking operation in the history of the world. (that the symbol of jim crow is lynching, a usually masculine violence, instead of the much much MUCH more pervasive white male rape of black women, which unfortunately made claudia getting assaulted much more common than them getting lynched).
and there's definitely a sense of ppl viewing louis being lightskin to be a marker of privilege amongst his family and although i am a notorious hater of lightskins, what privileges they do get is very complex and relative & also opens up more direct relations of subjugation from whites & higher rates of rape. this is definitely a reaosn why claudia ends up equating lestat w bruce when she gets back & also why louis is so uncomfortable/upset with the comparison before he even konws the details of it, even when he otherwise hates and fears lestat too. and also why armand deceiving louis into a sexual relationship for decades after lynching him and his daughter is so impossible for louis specifically to process. i think there's a sort of specific devastation of being a black parent & esp a maternal one in jim crow south and that constant gnawing fear of their daughter joining that high statistic, a specific devastation that i think contributes very significantly to the enmeshment. that absolute nothingness when he doesnt know where claudia is also means he doesnt know what claudia is experiencing. not only calling out for claudia with his mind--and later feeling guilty for it, thinking that how badly he wanted and missed his child put a mark on her back, that she experienced that bc he's her parent--but also the image of him surrounded by all those newspapers, glued to them, unable to throw them away, and knowing that the black press historically reported on black girls who'd been raped by white men. and this is maybe half of everything, very simplified. i think it is devastating in how plain it all is. and this doesnt undermine the class privileges but also i think everyone highly exaggerates what black well-off in jim crow south meansknfjwied like. it takes him years to pay back what cost as much as a pout and threat of silent treatment to lestat. tom is still rich decades after losing a huge source of money, louis loses everything overnight. twice. and there are a lot of trade offs
Louis' trauma (and Claudia's) is downplayed as a direct result of the Reconstruction and the post-Reconstruction era not being taught in in most US schools, except for what?-- two paragraphs in a survey textbook?
There's something about gaining rights in your living or your parents living memory only to lose them in your lifetime.
Because Louis is a specific type of creole and they're in New Orleans, Louis has a front seat to all of this Reconstruction and post-Reconstruction trauma.
Homer Plessy in Plessy v. Ferguson(1896), the plaintiff in the "separate but equal" case, went to St. Augustine, like the Du Lac family. Louis would've been about 12-18 from the time the Separate Car Act (1890) was passed to when the Supreme Court upheld the law. The very religious Paul would've been 9-15. Comité des Citoyens, the civil rights group that brought the lawsuit challenging the railroad car law, was full of wealthy Creoles and gens des couleurs, presumably like his father and mother.
If Reconstruction and its aftermath was actually taught in schools, you'd know for example:
Louis saying that Bruce burned on a bridge on Caddo Lake as part of his cover story for the coven about "Bruce" when he and Paul used to fish with their father... so loaded with possible trauma. Caddo Parish was notoriously violent.
It is actually really FOUL for Lestat to be taunting Claudia about going to college when she's self-educating and Louis for reading so much, aside from Bruce's assault. During the time Claudia was alive there was no public education available for African American children past the 5th grade in New Orleans until the opening of McDonough #35 in 1917. Claudia is self educating by going through Louis' book collection and hiding out in college libraries, which are overwhelmingly segregated.
Is Lestat's relationship to Claudia ever that of an uncle? What other reason might there be for Claudia to call one of the men "Daddy" and the other "Uncle"? Consider the setting.
Why might the filmmakers have chosen to include references to A Doll's House, Madame Bovary, Marriage In A Free Society by Edward Carpenter, and Pelléas et Mélisande? What themes, if any, do these references reinforce?
Claudia calls Louis "the housewife" and Louis later describes himself as "ignoring all other duties of the role Claudia had mocked me for... the unhappy housewife." What does this indicate about attitudes towards gender and sexuality in the society in which the characters live? What is the significance of the word "role" here in relation to Lestat's promise in the first episode to free Louis from "all these roles you conform to"?
When Claudia first introduces the idea of reconceptualizing her relationship to Louis and Lestat as a sister, what does Lestat's reaction suggest about his opinion? In the following episode, when Lestat calls Claudia "sister, daughter, infant death," what is his tone?
In the context of the story, what is a "maker"? What kind of status in the household does Lestat believe a maker should have?
Does becoming vampires allow the characters to escape the social structures of the world around them, or do they remain trapped? In what ways, if any, does sociocultural context in regards to gender, race, sexuality, and family influence the characters and their relationships?
The article "Undoing Feminism: From the Preoedipal to Postfeminism in Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles" by Janice Doane and Devon Hodges argues that the novel Interview With The Vampire "depends on an oedipal paradigm" and says that "Rice sees the oedipal moment as beginning with the father's embrace of the girl child in a patriarchal order that so restricts her possibilities for development [...] that she develops murderous rages against the father. Freud calls the oedipal stage 'a haven, a refuge' for the girl; Rice shows it to be a coffin." Do you think AMC's Interview With The Vampire is engaging with this idea? Why or why not?
8. Is Louis compared to cisgendered figures of Black masculinity in the Jim Crow era such as Paul Robeson, Richard Wright’s insert character ‘Bigger Thomas’, Jack Johnson, and social activists like Booker T. Washington & W.E.B. Dubois? If he is not, then why? [Hint: refer to your answers for Q#2 & #3]
9. What is the significance of the Storyville district in historical Black music culture, and why is AMC Louis now positioned here? What law was passed in November 1917 that is directly named in AMC’s Interview with the Vampire 1x03, and what is the significance of that with respect to Louis’s character arc and the introduction of Claudia here?
10. Who else does Claudia refer to as an ‘uncle’ besides Lestat?
every so often people start a new round of "louis was never empathetic, it's his facade, this is how he fools people" discourse and it's such a headache to approach it in any normal capacity. there are many things that can be true at the same time, and i think the only correct option is to allow louis the kind of complexity other characters are allowed to have.
first of all, empathy isn't a good thing by itself, it's basically a thing where you feel strongly what other people feel. having emotional empathy isn't the same thing as being a good person, despite what many people on the internet would want you to believe. you just live with the awareness of other people's feelings, and what would actually determine if you're a good person or not is how you choose to act on it. people often confuse empathy with "compassion" and "sympathy".
emotional empathy is not something you control and i can believe wholeheartedly that louis is a very empathetic person. it's what makes him spiral over other people's pain, what makes him cry over iolanta, what amplify his catholic guilt, what makes him forgive his lovers over and over again. it's very likely something he developed in his childhood, as a result of growing up with moody, critical and demanding mother he had to please. notice how she's the first (the only?) family member whose mind he tried to read.
the thing is, empathy often goes hand-in-hand with a particular kind of cruelty. louis weaponizes his empathy on a regular basis. because when you know and understand other people's feelings, you know how to hurt them stronger than anyone else (emotionally, i mean). and yes, it'll hurt you too because you're empathetic and it creates a fascinating loop of emotional pain, but it's not a problem for someone like louis who hates himself.
real question here, is louis compassionate? i'd say he's "selectively compassionate" like most people are. he does plenty of horrible things that hurt other people, many of which he fully recognizes and anguish over (see his confession scene), but keeps doing anyway. also he's a capitalist, so his capacity for compassion is obviously limited by that fact alone. i think his empathy and compassion levels do not align and this is what makes him suffer over his life choices so much.
another thing completely is that louis as a vampire seems to be "selectively compassionate" to humans he eats. people in fandom often say that this is a sign that louis "only pretends" to be empathetic, but fail to recognize that this is exactly how most people treat animals. just because most people treat dogs and cats better than cattle and chickens, doesn't make us less or more empathetic, it just makes us hypocrites by our nature. and vampires are all hypocrites, even to a bigger degree. they don't value human life, but live with humans, often enjoy human's attention and find future vampires (including their future lovers/companions) among humans.
just pointing out that louis is an empathetic character doesn't mean people wanna make him "morally superior", it's just the way he perceives the world. it's what makes him interact with the world the way he does. like, i'd argue that lestat can be pretty damn empathetic as well, especially when it comes to raw emotions, he just doesn't look too deeply into his perspective like book-lover louis does.
a thread on twitter i made last night (copy and pasted near verbatim)
i dont really "ship" them in the way i ship leslou or danlou etc, but i am really interested how they might bounce off each other even if im not invested in a genuine romance between them--sorta like how i feel about armandaniel..but a wee bit different. akasha aint in the show yet so ofc my thoughts are primarily based in book lore + kaien free real estate but i do TRY to envision how the show might potentially adapt her.
i think akashastat could be a really good gateway to exploring/even combatting lestats misogyny. its pretty baked into his character because of how misogynistic anne rice was, it really bled into her writing and just got super amplified bc of how many stories surrounded lestat akasha and lestat have a severe power imbalance so they could never love each other as equals nor do i think they Want to see each other as equals and bc of that i think that general impossibility is part of the attraction/desire as well as them mutually using each other.
akasha using lestat as in essentially making him her lackey and lestat using akasha for her blood/power (and the intimacy of it for them both!!) like a mutualistic symbiotic relationship. i dont think its an active scheming thought in their heads but the cycle feeds itself.
lestat is very misogynistic (see: his relationship with antoinette and claudia in the show and his relationship with gabrielle in tvl) and every close relationship he's had with a woman, he's been above them in status, literal vampiric power or both. (and yes i absolutely believe that lestats misogyny directly influences how he treats louis,) but akasha is obviously The outlier, she is above him, she is The Top. and i think that lestat would kind of... fetishize that?
i think hed be ecstatic that his lestatisms (eg: him intentionally being the most rebellious vampire to ever vampire. annoying fuck) would attract such a power (akasha) to him and revels in the idea that he, the vampire lestat, could be beneath someone, beneath a woman!
itd probably be exhilarating at first but i think the excitement would turn into despair when akasha drags him along on her mass murder spree, and despite his discomfort (especially when it comes to being opposed to louis,) he cannot just walk out of the sitatuion because akasha could literally just destroy him. i think itd be a sobering experience for him to feel utterly powerless beside someone, especially someone who belongs to the groups that normally would be below him (woman + person of color. MENA, potentially black.)
it could also put into perspective how louis may have felt while they were together in NOLA (obviously not a 1:1 experience, but specifically being on the very losing end of a deteriorating relationship)
tl;dr:
edit: ppl are twitter are interpretting the "mutually using each other" part as me trying to pedal some mutual abuse thing or denying lestat of his victimhood at the hands of akasha. that's not what's happening here, carry on!
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I read tale of the body thief in two weeks snd and I really liked it. Im not sure how i did that, but i did. I want to make a long post for both qotd and totbt respectively before I get further in memnoch and start to forget shit