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the way some people who love tvl aren't content to just enjoy the season on its own terms but seek out and try to shut down any critique of the season shows how insecure and anxious they are about what this season depicts- and the fact that they're worried that the critics specifically of the show's bigotry might be right or might be making valid points, and what they think it might say about them that they enjoy tvl despite (or honestly sometimes because of) the writing's descent into narrative antiblackness, queerphobia and even more overt misogyny than what was in s1-s2. a lot of mostly-nonblack, and within that group mostly-white, viewers have either been completely oblivious to the textually racist choices of s3, unbothered by it, or even straight-up reveling in it- however, these are viewers who for the most part self-identify as "liberal" or "progressive" or "anti-racist", and they attach more value to those labels than they care about the work of actually being progressive and anti-racist. this is why so many white people act like being called a racist is a more grievous offense than actually being racist, and why they think a black person calling out racism (even in "polite" and conciliatory tones that are usually perceived as attacks and aggression anyway) is worse than a white person being racist. and despite a lot of performative claims about how these characters are all monsters and all evil and what they enjoy in fiction has nothing to do with their real politics or morals, these viewers identify extremely closely with the show and it's an integral part of their fannish identity online, to the point that they perceive any criticism of the show as an attack on themselves. there's also a fair amount of moral anxiety involved bc despite the performative gothic genre monster evil edgelord posting, a lot of them tacitly buy into the idea that they're good people with progressive values, this is an inherent quality about them instead of goodness or progressiveness being an active form of work that you do, therefore anything they enjoy and identify with has to be good and progressive.
and that brings us to the critique of tvl's bigotry and where the cognitive dissonance kicks in- these are liberal(tm) and progressive(tm) viewers- they're good(tm) people. and they know a good and liberal and progressive person should notice and care about racism. they've probably retweeted or reblogged some posts about how representation matters or how good jacob anderson is as louis and they might even have blacklivesmatter in their account bio. but the reality is they don't actually recognize, or if they do they don't care about, the racism in tvl- and they love tvl and still identify with it deeply, to the point that any criticism about it stings and makes them feel like they're the ones being criticized, they're the ones being judged for enjoying it. and it's one thing when the parts of the show being criticized are about awkward scripting or bad pacing, but it's another when the critique feels destabilizing to their sense of self as a liberal(tm) progressive(tm) good(tm) person- and it's a lot more comforting in the moment to lash out at the person voicing the criticism about tvl's racism or queerphobia or misogyny or anti-survivor bias and say no, the show isn't bigoted (and therefore i'm not bigoted for uncritically enjoying it), you're the problem and what you're saying is completely untrue and meaningless bc you just hate lestat/you're a bitter armand fan/you're a bitter louis fan/this is all unserious ship and stan wars and there's no depth or legitimacy to what you're saying. even if the critique at no point suggests "you're a bad person for liking this show" or "i'm judging you for liking this show" (bc liking fucked up or flawed or "problematic" media doesn't make you an inherently bad or bigoted person, it's perfectly possible to go "yeah these parts had problems, but this work still resonated with me for xyz reasons") they feel judged, they feel like they're being called a bad person, and only by finding a way to dismiss the critique wholesale can they soothe the moral anxiety they feel.
ian danskin talks about this phenomenon in his series on gamergate (if you don't know about gamergate i really rec reading up on it bc so many reactionary currents online and in fandom can be traced back to it, it's foundational, and this video series is a good intro point to explain it). here's a relevant excerpt about the hate campaigns against anita sarkeesian for announcing her series talking about misogyny in video games-
"it’s all about perception, about what jack (context- "angry jack" is the stand-in figure ian uses for mostly-white-cishet men who participated in the reactionary hate and harassment campaigns of the gamergate movement) wants the world to *feel* like. it’s a world where bigotry of all stripes exists as purely rhetorical abstractions- they’re all just ideas to him, and he can choose the ideas that make him most comfortable. all jack needs is a reason for anita sarkeesian to be wrong- or better yet, lying. the reason doesn’t have to be good, it’s purely utilitarian. it only needs to serve its purpose, to insist the doctor’s a quack and justify getting a second opinion. this is why sarkeesian’s critics can’t politely disagree with her- they have to treat her with *contempt*. the whole point is to spare themselves from actually considering her arguments, so her arguments have to be *beneath* consideration…most of sarkeesian’s detractors are not trying to destroy her, although they do want her gone. jack is not a psychopath- since his only understanding of a sexist is shunning, shaming or incarcerating, he reads any critique of his gender politics as an appeal to shun, shame or incarcerate *him*. he’s a guy who’s terrified of who he is if the world sarkeesian describes is real, of how he’d be treated there, of what it would ask of him, of what his conscience would tell him to do."
and although the iwtvl fandom skews more politically "liberal" and is dominated by women and queerfolk (still white-majority and white-centric though, as most fandoms are) we're seeing a different version of the same phenomenon happening with the response to tvl. we've even seen with the white-majority critics who are so defensive of even a minority of fan criticism being fielded at tvl- of the reception to the season being merely mixed/uneven with the general audience than universally glowing- that they wrote multiple articles berating fans for "watching tvl wrong" and not being patient enough with the show, despite their awareness of s3ep6 and its antiblack dialogue. (some of those white critics have ofc started publicly backpedaling.) and we're still seeing it with the way so many fans with alleged progressive beliefs have committed themselves to not only defending tvl and denying its racism on their own pages, but actively seek out critique that upsets them and makes them feel attacked so they can try to "debunk" it and prove the people sharing those critical thoughts are lying or making things up and there's nothing substantive behind what we say. and ironically, by trying so hard to protect their progressive self-image, they end up playing into the exact type of conservative rhetoric and denial that has fox news pundits talking about how america isn't a racist country and black people are trying to make them falsely believe america is a racist country by continuing to be uppity troublemakers and talking about racism, or how if you talk about white supremacist christian hegemony you're attacking everyone who enjoys christmas or something. we can all pretend the problem doesn't exist if you don't create the problem by giving voice to it. there's no antiblackness here. there's no queerphobia here. i'm a good and progressive person and i would never passively go along with a bigoted status quo- you're lying to take away the things i enjoy and identify with (you're lying to slander me). if no one says the emperor has no clothes, we can all close our eyes and ears to what's plainly there and keep talking about the wonderful stitching on the emperor's shirt.
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the way the show wanted me to be mad at louis for saying to ghost claudia that she should be thanking him for killing bruce just... didn't work on me at all. the main problem is, this whole storyline felt very awkward in the first place: it wasn't his idea and he didn't wanna do it, talamasca manipulated him into it for arbitrary reasons and then narratively it was mostly used to prop up lestat's story.
he could say literally anything else but he brought up the lamest plot point where he had the least narrative agency. and i think it's indeed a writing problem: they wanted louis to say something unhinged and mean and get wacked for it by claudia, but they could only use what happened in this season.
like, walk with me (and you know how much i love louis) and imagine if louis said "you should be thanking me for following you around when no one else ever cared about you". imagine if he said "you should be thanking me for giving you 50 years of life". like, it'd infuriate me and it'd be perfectly in-character (like, welcome back, florence de pointe du lac) and i can imagine what claudia would have to say in response!
but no, we have this shitty lame ooc bruce thing and louis being like "oh i can't believe i said this to her. lol. moving on". just... this is so frustratingly boring holy fucking hell. this whole season is full of the softest beigest pillows alternating with shock value bullshit.
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also having said all that about not supporting retributive justice and not wanting to impose irl punitive frameworks on fictional characters, i also wanna make it clear that i still plan on getting some serious mileage out of the guwutine meme when iwtv s3 rolls around and white french heads literally start rolling onscreen
my bad yall i think i caused the monkey's paw to curl with this one. yeah we got the decapitation of an aristocrat and a billionaire but at what cost
incredibly sorry for the black writers and directors of the previous two seasons who thought they were building something. I am so sorry that your work was not respected and now dismissed by this new season. I am so sorry that the love and care with which you crafted the characters, especially of Louis and Claudia was so resented that the current writers' room chose to dilute all. I am so sorry that you are having to see the anti blackness in full force on a formerly black led show and everything you worked on- your vision- it was all wiped off. I am so sorry to Jacob and Delainey for having to work with those scripts.

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the biggest problem i have with loustat this season is that it lacks passion. desperately so. i'm aspec and i don't care much about romance in fiction, but gothic romance in iwtv was excellent, it made me feel something beyond myself. even outside of what we can consider their "good" times in season 1, the passion and yearning and painful co-dependency was ever-present.
louis was sitting there at the trial watching lestat say the most disgusting shit about him and he still couldn’t stop loving him. and we agreed he was insane for that, and we wanted more. louis couldn't stop loving lestat and longing for him even when he thought lestat wanted to kill him. when he was angry at him. when he was scared of him. but in s3 i simply can't feel anything anymore.
i know more great loustat scenes are coming soon but i really just... i think i'll have troubles in believing the sincerity of it after these 4 episodes. one, two, five great scenes won't replace the ever-present yearning in s1&2 and the devastating nature of it.
right now it feels like s1&2 were written by people who were crushing on lestat along with louis, but s3 is written by someone who doesn't really like louis and doesn't understand what lestat likes about him. just like the most of loustat fanfiction actually lmao. it's just... should i care? will they make me care again? because i don't think it's possible right now... they'd need to compensate so much in the next 3 episodes.
well said and 1000% agreed. i'm almost positive we'll get some great scenes from them in the remaining episodes, but they won't feel earned. for all intents and purposes, the present-day scenes in s3 have done nothing to illuminate lestat's relationships that are core to his personality (sans gabi, which is becoming extremely one-note). not marius (who i fucking hate in the books fwiw, trust me i was happy not to hear a four-episode spiel from him, but SOMETHING more than what we got would've been nice). not nicki, who we got not even a full episode for. not lestat's relationship to paris as a city, to armand.
we keep being told again and again that's intentional. and sure, it is! he's isolated and in a downward spiral and doesn't want to tell daniel about his fucked-up past! i believe you! but i don't need 5 episodes of this kind of stasis and eye-rolling meme references when we only have 7 to tell a story, or at least part of it.
we keep being beaten over the head with gabi in nearly every scene. any references to louis are about how angry lestat is about a book louis didn't even write and didn't consent to get published.
i understood the anger at the start. hell, i still understand it. it's characteristic of lestat. but we've wasted precious airtime on barely-there flashback scenes (and the ones that were there, prior to episode 3 or so, were very cheap-looking), superfluous footage of a band we somehow still barely get to know, and characters telling us exactly what's happened
--(i.e., armand telling daniel he watched over him for 52 years...could we have seen flashes of that, like, sprinkled anywhere in the season? saying "well it's lestat's season, we wouldn't see that" doesn't hold up. we got snippets of daniel's life in the first two seasons that were largely told from louis' POV.)--
and now, at the end of episode 5 when we learn lestat has apparently found his true/honest sound via allowing himself to grieve claudia again (a song i do love btw), we have two episodes left of the season. two episodes left to convince the audience that there's still something there in a relationship that was touted as core to the series. and it was, for the first two seasons. louis' love for lestat, as fucked up as it was, remained a through-line in the first two seasons even when he wasn't around. i've felt none of that from lestat this entire season, which is so out of character for him. and if i'm supposed to feel it next episode, based on interactions that happen offscreen....what am i even watching for, then?
you could say "well, it's because he was angry." but despite that anger louis should've been haunting his ass at every turn. lestat would've welcomed it. why did dream/muse louis only make an appearance in ep 5? why was "big bad wolf" only released now, not even teased prior to the latter half of the season, if it was written out of lestat's anger toward louis at the time the season opens?
i'm not asking for loustat to even get back together. i'm just asking for their interactions to feel earned. the end of season 2, that final scene...that felt earned.
i'm not asking for neat storytelling. i'm not asking for linear storytelling. i am just asking for........any storytelling.
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Just because it came up yesterday too, I always thought that the way the fans completely divorced AMCs Claudia from her Blackness was a very insidious form of misogynoir that I admit, was new for me (within a fan space).
Like, everyone "likes" her! But in that very "girl boss girl power" white feminism way where they erase everything about the source of the power out, in order to subsume it. And it's weird because to me, it showed that, just like how they did with Louis, they did not engage with how Claudia's Blackness was another important part of her story. Despite it being quite spoonfed in season 2, tbh.
Think about it. Claudia is 1) Black, 2) female, 3) queer, and 4) trapped in a child's body, forever. This is like, the torment nexus of Lacking Power and Autonomy In Society 😭 Going unheard, that resentment against the world for not taking her and her needs and her desires seriously, from inside the home and on. Of having to build a wall of strength and resilience to protect herself, of always Taking Care of Business because her goof ass brother certainly isn't gonna do it! Of having to grasp power her own way, because it will never be considered for her. Yet, somehow still a threat.
To me, AMCs Claudia is a very beautifully written example of a Black Woman that is Angry, who would be treated like an Angry Black Woman. So many of these fans HATE real world Claudia's! Because I've seen her rage and exhaustion, her fire to fight (Akasha's too), in so many of us. And yet we don't get the girl power, girl boss label- until it's time to Need us. Otherwise, you're just a Bully.
And so it was so bizarre witnessing people just... Water that down for her. To not even bother to notice it, outside of "angry at men". Idk. One of those "your favorites would hate you" situations.

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Camp is self aware but what season 3 is doing isn’t camp. If anything it’s become too self aware, too constantly aware of its audience to perform true camp. It hampers itself, second guesses itself, spotlights its own insecurities. It’s so self conscious, so concerned with the audience’s reaction— both in pleasing and disgusting them— that the performance cannot support its own scaffolding. It buckles under its own weight. The center doesn’t hold. When they write season 4 they need to be locked in a remote cabin with no internet and have their phones confiscated. It’s simply the only way forward after this
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