The first photo is from 1956. It shows a Black woman watching members of the Ku Klux Klan (a terrorist, racist, far-right organization focused on white supremacy) walking along a sidewalk in Montgomery, Alabama (USA). I couldn't find the photo's author, but most sources state that it was taken in 1956.
The second photo shows members of the Patriot Front group (a white supremacist and nationalist group, formed in 2017, that openly advocates what they call "American Fascism") traveling on the subway during the 250th anniversary of the U.S. independence in Washington D.C., while a Black woman watches them. The photo is by photographer Cheney Orr, taken on July 4, 2026, 70 years after the first photo.
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I have a genuine question! please forgive me if it comes off as defending the racist writing I want to be clear that its really pissing me off also and is why I'm sending this ask. But how do you know when something is racist in this show and when it's something that was in the original books? or when it's both? Because Louis in the books as we know was a white slave owner, I feel like making him black has both improved the story tenfold and also made it really complicated now that we are in Lestats pov because Louis is intentionally lying in the books in a way I don't think show Louis is. I have not read the Vampire Lestat but I know there are some reveals that make Lestat more sympathetic and I'm afraid of those reveals in the show coming off as racist now and dismissing Louis more than he already has been. I don't know if this makes much sense but I'm just really struggling with sympathizing with Lestat and Louis at the same time when the writing is getting more racist than ever this season. I'm trying to enjoy it as a story and also be critical of it as a piece of media someone wrote and it's just getting more and more annoying. What is racist writing and what is Lestat and Daniel being racist and complicated characters. You are one of the only blogs who I consistently agree with on interview with the vampire so that is why I'm asking you but of course no pressure to respond or post this! it feels like it may invite discourse and I don't want to inflict that on your blog.
hello! thank you so much for the ask! it definitely doesn't come off as defending the racist writing or anything, i completely understand where you're coming from 🙂↕️ and hopefully i can answer in a way that makes sense. (it ended up being VERY long so it's under a read more lmao im sorry)
ignoring the reason that rolin said he made louis a black man specifically just for the sake of this post (because that would only make it even lengthier while i go into detail about my disdain for that man), i also think making him a black man living in the jim crow south was a wonderful change from his book origins—it gave him so much more depth and allowed his story to be told in a more meaningful way. the issue though with making him black, comes in how he's written within the context of those around him. i believe that, for the most part, s1 and s2 did a great job of emphasizing the racism and homophobia that louis experiences without it feeling like the writers themselves are inflicting their own antiblack biases upon him. he grew up as a closeted creole man in the south so his negative experiences made sense from a story standpoint, you know? we knew why they were happening for the most part.
lestat was a french man from a different century that was frustratingly out of touch, but that too felt purposeful. you could see the moments where he truly loved louis and how that love drove him to behave in despicable ways out of fear of losing that love. it played into the belief that you can care for someone, but not understand them, and ultimately hurt them deeply because of that. lestat is a flawed character, they all are, but he felt far more realistic and better written to me. even during the trial he admitted that he'd dropped louis from the sky to hurt him, to break him, because louis wasn't returning his affection. the onus was not put upon louis (by lestat, as other vampires did very much blame louis) for not returning lestat's feelings.
lestat was actually one of my favorite characters in the previous seasons, i really loved a lot of what they did with him. overall, it was a realistic sort of writing without feeling like the show and universe were making him (louis) a dartboard for everyone's grievances or turning him into the stereotypical sort of black caricature. it didn't feel like they were resentful of his blackness in those seasons.
although, sometimes it did feel like they were skirting around wanting to fully acknowledge his (or claudia's) blackness, but that was more of an issue for me in s2—such as calling the trial a stoning and not a lynching. but i still think it was all handled with more care and intention than in s3. you could see where both louis and lestat were in the wrong for various actions, as opposed to louis being the singular villain that drove lestat to do all the bad things he does.
in TVL (the novel), lestat becomes a rockstar primarily to take the heat off of louis, who is at risk from other vampires following the publication of the book. at its core, his motives are based on love for louis and a desire to protect him from the danger that he has unknowingly put himself in by revealing their nature to the world. in the series, though, louis does not want the book published, but daniel does so anyway, putting louis in danger (as is shown by the reveal that he killed 30-something vampires in dubai). if they were still attempting to go for book accuracy—which you'd think, given rolin toted that fuckass book around everywhere during early promo, showing off how loved it was—this wouldn't have happened, OR it would've been revealed that lestat helped him kill those vampires. because would lestat not want to aid the man he supposedly loves, especially considering that louis didn't even want the book published in this universe and made that clear?
and that's only the beginning of the the changes they make, though in regards to louis it's just brand new writing, seeing as he's not that big of a character in TVL. they had the opportunity to do quite literally anything with louis' character because they were deviating from book-canon with him, and yet this is the route they took. and it's where i think they shifted from an in-universe racism that made sense given the time period, to the writers slipping in their own dislike of the character. i will die on this hill, but i truly don't think they anticipated the love louis (and claudia) would get during the first two seasons, along with the backlash lestat would receive due to the abuse he put them through, and so they're trying to walk it back and make louis seem like this deplorable, wretched character that's more flawed than anyone else. also, lowkey, i think there was some bitterness regarding how powerful louis' ending monologue was and how deeply it was loved.
lestat being characteristically racist, to me, was with scenes in s1 and s2 where he overlooked the disrespect louis experienced at the hands of tom, the alderman or at the opera in favor of trying to pacify him or smooth over louis' disdain by downplaying the experiences or ignoring the racism at their core. lestat didn't know the first thing about racism or experiencing it and didn't care to, he's a blond-haired, blue-eyed frenchman. you watch the disconnect between him and louis, or lestat and claudia and, while frustrating, you understand why it's happening and where it comes from.
the way every character is treating louis in s3 is the writers themselves being racist and antiblack towards louis and using the other characters as a channel to express it. daniel calling louis a "bucket of louisiana fried chicken" was extremely unnecessary and played more for racist shock value than the character daniel actually trying to be as scathing as possible. he's undoubtedly got a way with words and could've said innumerable cruel things without jumping to that particular insult. i think that was done more for the writers enjoyment than correct characterization. there's no real reason for him to suddenly make such a comment about louis when he was trying to repair their relationship last we saw the two together (as he also brings up louis ignoring him).
louis is called a whore by lestat for sleeping with one man (a reveal that's given to us while louis is reaching out during a moment if extreme emotional distress), louis is called a liar and a manipulator by lestat and armand respectively, they're still pushing the pimp narrative, and his character arcs feels rushed and discarded. the writers are consistently disrespecting louis and retconning what he's said and done during the first two seasons for reasons that go beyond wanting to push him back into a relationship with lestat. louis is forced to apologize and lower himself again and again when there is no reason for him to.
lestat's overall treatment doesn't make much sense. like i said in a previous post, him being upset at louis for not reaching out when he was shot makes no sense considering lestat wasn't rushing to his aid when louis was shot as a very young fledgling in s1. nor did he go rushing to louis' aid if he truly thought him to be dead after armand called him (lestat) in s2—something that's even more bizzare considering he allegedly did not stay away from louis out of fear that he would not believe lestat was actually the one to save him, but because he wanted louis to be miserable. where is the love between these two characters that was felt in s1 & s2?
i don't feel any longing for louis from lestat's perspective (nor longing for lestat from louis' tbh). it feels like the writers just want louis to beg and crawl to lestat's feet and then he'll take him back and all will be well. where is the mutual love? the painful desire and regret given their past and shared trauma following the death of their daughter? they've barely shared any scenes together and what we have seen has been a rushed mess or just another way to show that louis was yet again in the wrong. this isn't in-universe in-character choices, this is the writers attempting to humble the black man as retribution for how much growth/gained independence he had in the previous season, and how well-loved he was as a way to coddle and exonerate his white love interest.
you cannot cherry pick what you want to adapt from the books if you're only doing so in order to demonize one character and absolve the other/excuse him of the awful things he's done. im going to run the risk of sounding like a broken record here so im gonna bring this to a close, but i hope i answered your question even a little bit!
tldr; you could see the complexities of all the characters in s1 and s2 and understand their relationships in regards to racism, internalized homophobia and sexism within themselves and each other. it all felt purposeful and (mostly) correctly characterized—everyone felt real. in s3 louis has been turned into an apologetic caricature with a lack of good writing, and almost everyone else has been turned into copy-paste cynical quip-givers that the writers can use to vomit exposition and lore/show how louis is actually the worst of the worst and lestat was essentially forced to do every bad thing he's ever done.
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“What, to the American slave, is your 4th of July? I answer; one day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sound of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciation of tyrants brass fronted impudence; your shout of liberty and equality, hallow mockery; your prayers and hyms [sic], your sermons and thanks-givings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, are to him, mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy – a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are the people of the United States, at this very hour.”
— Frederick Douglass (1818-1895), from a speech given at Rochester, New York, July 5, 1852.
also sharing this here- "'tis pity she's a whore" is an early 17th century english play by john ford about two italian siblings who have an incestuous relationship that ends in tragedy. in some of the earlier printings "pity" is spelled "pitty"
oh shit i didn't expect this to actually get notes lmao
these are all direct quotes from jeffrey jerome cohen's "monster culture (seven theses)" (full pdf linked)
i highly encourage you to read it yourself!
that said, while i think cohen's writing is evocative, it can be a little dense, so while i'm here, here's my capsule summary (you can also hear me talk about this in the first episode of my podcast) (listen to @ghostswerepeopletoo)
i. the monster's body is a cultural body - The monster is a work of fiction to be analyzed through tools of literary and sociological theory.
ii. the monster always escapes - As long as the cultural fear from which the monster stems persists, the monster will reappear in retellings, reimaginings, and sequels.
iii. the monster is the harbinger of category crisis - Monsters defy binaries and challenge easy comprehension or categorization.
iv. the monster dwells at the gates of difference - The monster represents the Other.
v. the monster polices the borders of the possible - Tales of the monster exist to discourage unacceptable or taboo behaviors.
vi. fear of the monster is really a kind of desire - Subjects can vicariously participate in the disruption of the social order through the monster.
vii. the monster stands at the threshold… of becoming - Within the monster we find information about the self.
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It’s incredible that people are so invested in tamping down criticism of this season, particularly from Louis fans, that they will lie about basic things like claiming that all the writers have remained the same from season 1 to season 3.
Since apparently we are the only fans left with the ability to verify any type of information, here are the facts:
S1 Credits:
1x01 - Rolin Jones
1x02 - Jonathan Ceniceroz & Dave Harris
1x03 - Rolin Jones & Hannah Moscovitch
1x04 - Eleanor Burgess
1x05 - Hannah Moscovitch
1x06 - Coline Abert
1x07 - Rolin Jones & Ben Philippe
S2 Credits:
2x01: Hannah Moscovitch
2x02: Jonathan Ceniceroz & Shane Munson
2x03: Heather Bellson
2x04: Coline Abert & A. Zell Williams
2x05: Jonathan Ceniceroz & Hannah Moscovitch
2x06: Hannah Moscovitch & Shane Munson
2x07: Kevin Hanna & Rolin Jones
2x08: Rolin Jones
Hannah, Rolin, Coline, and Jonathan were retained from S1 - 2. Eleanor, Ben, and Dave did not return. The first season had 7 writers. The second had 8.
3x01: Rolin Jones & Hannah Moscovitch
3x02: Jonathan Ceniceroz & Kevin Hanna
3x03: Anusree Roy
3x04: Jonathan Ceniceroz
3x05: Hannah Moscovitch & Daniel Hart
3x06: Ryan Kattner & Kevin Hanna
3x07: Hannah Moscovitch
Hannah, Rolin, Kevin, and Jonathan returned for season 3. Heather, Coline, A. Zell, and Shane did not. This season has 7 writers. Of these 7, the only 3 that remain of the season 1 writers room are Rolin, Hannah, and Jonathan.
You can definitely say the writers who have been retained from season 1 to season 3 are the strongest writers if you want to. I absolutely think that Jonathan and Hannah are two of the strongest writers. I can’t say Rolin is my favorite. But they definitely lost a lot of wonderful writers season to season and I think that is very much felt.
This isn’t even putting into perspective the reality of a writer’s room and what each person might bring to the table regardless of whether or not they get an actual writing credit for it.
Guys, I thought I was making a joke earlier when I said it should be illegal for more than 2 white straight men to be in a writer’s room but honestly I think that there was only 1 (Rolin) in the season 1 writer’s room and 2 (Rolin and Kevin) in the S2 writer’s room. Now there are 3 🤣
I think it should be noted that Shane and Coline are both women. Coline Abert is noted on IMDb as a bilingual French-English screenwriter. So if you note a difference in quality of the French writing this season, maybe that is a contributor to it. I wouldn’t know.
As I said in the comments - Ben Philippe, Dave Harris, and A. Zell Williams were the Black writers who wrote for S1-2. @coldeveryseason shouted them out on Twitter.
I've seen some weird defences of the IWTV writers room couching in 'erasing the contributions of the non-white writers' type arguments and I just want to use this helpful breakdown of the writers to take it a bit further.
I also want to start off referencing a quote that screenwriter-director Nida Manzoor made where she talked about being in white-dominated writers rooms where she felt she was there to just sign-off on what they were writing. And what a difference it was when she was able to set up her own writers room, especially in season 2 of We Are Lady Parts, where every writer was a Muslim woman.
If you're not familiar with how writers rooms work, you might think every episode is created by the person credited with the script. (Flashback to the Buffy fandom where Marti Nixon was blamed for every single thing in the Joss Whedon is God days.) But the whole point of a writers room is that everyone breaks the episode beats together, and it is headed by the showrunners.
Now let's look at the racial breakdown of that IWTV writers room again
1x01 - Rolin Jones (white)
1x02 - Jonathan Ceniceroz & Dave Harris (Latino and Black)
1x03 - Rolin Jones & Hannah Moscovitch (white and white)
1x04 - Eleanor Burgess (white)
1x05 - Hannah Moscovitch (white)
1x06 - Coline Abert (white)
1x07 - Rolin Jones & Ben Philippe (white and Black)
2x01: Hannah Moscovitch (white)
2x02: Jonathan Ceniceroz & Shane Munson (Latino and white)
2x03: Heather Bellson (white)
2x04: Coline Abert & A. Zell Williams (white and Black)
2x05: Jonathan Ceniceroz & Hannah Moscovitch (Latino and white)
2x06: Hannah Moscovitch & Shane Munson (white and white)
2x07: Kevin Hanna & Rolin Jones (white and white)
2x08: Rolin Jones (white)
3x01: Rolin Jones & Hannah Moscovitch (white and white)
3x02: Jonathan Ceniceroz & Kevin Hanna (Latino and white)
3x03: Anusree Roy (Indian-Canadian)
3x04: Jonathan Ceniceroz (Latino)
3x05: Hannah Moscovitch & Daniel Hart (white and white)
3x06: Ryan Kattner & Kevin Hanna (Wasian and white)
3x07: Hannah Moscovitch (white)
So - not a single Black writer has been given solo credit on any episode. None of them have ever made it beyond one season into a writers room. Of the non-Black writers of colour, Jonathan Ceniceroz is the only one who has written for all 3 seasons, and he only got solo credit for one episode this season. Anusree Roy being the only other non-white writer to get a solo credit. Ryan Kattner probably contributed most to song lyrics, since he's a musician who is also acting in the show.
The show runners and producers are all white.
This is a white-dominated writers room, and this is a show where white writers set the tone of how race and racism will be addressed in the scripts. And if you have followed some of the things Hannah and Rolin have said in interviews, you should know that neither is to be trusted when it comes to racial awareness.
Just want to add: even though A. Zell Williams wasn't credited in Season 1, he was part of the mini room (a smaller writers' room format so the network can have a draft of a first season without spending that much money prior the series being greenlit. This practice was erased after the WGA strike in 2023) for that season. He said this on his podcast. He was then promoted for S2.
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i've seen a lot of people defend the increase in uncritical antiblackness and racist scripts in tvl/s3 by saying "well lestat and daniel are racist white men, ofc they make racist comments" and it's like, well yeah that's true but they shouldn't be making racist comments with the exact same voice and with seemingly the exact same pov. lestat is a french aristocrat from the late 18th century who grew up in a rural backwater and then moved to paris at the height of the french revolution, during the enlightenment when many modern ideas of "whiteness" were being defined, lived in new orleans during the jim crow regime in the early 20th century and then was significantly isolated from human society until 2022- daniel is an american man (possibly of jewish or armenian heritage since he's played by luke and eric) who grew up middle class in modesto california (a small city that had a significant population increase during the post-wwii baby boom) in the late 20th century and spent most of his adulthood in liberal urban centers around the states. there's little to no overlap in their lived experiences- lestat was in his shack era for the vast majority of daniel's lifetime. they come from radically different cultural contexts and even though they would both have racist views that fit the norms of white supremacist society, they wouldn't have the same racist views or express their racism in the same way.
but the show has both of them speaking in the same irreverent, quippy voice and cycling through the same types of jokes in a way that makes it clear this is what the writers think is funny, that this is a reflection of the writers' (esp rolin's) racism. rolin said the audience was gonna feel the whiplash of the show suddenly being taken over by lestat and feeling like we're in lestat's head, but the tone shift fails bc it specifically doesn't feel like we're in lestat's head or that the kind of narration and dialogue we're immersed in reflects lestat's character in any meaningful way- instead, it feels like rolin has taken the fact that the show is now set mostly in the present day and the general premise of "lestat is chaotic and terminally online" as a free pass to use lestat as a mouthpiece for his own voice and sense of humor. lestat isn't just any random mid-30s rockstar edgelord on tour, he's a specific character with a specific background, and while it's believable that he became terminally online and obsessed with pop culture in the 3 years since he reunited with louis in s2ep8, that doesn't mean all traces of his past and the history that shaped him is gonna vanish from the way he speaks, narrates and views other people.
for a season that's meant to be all about digging into lestat's character and everything that made him who and what he is, the writers seem to have completely disregarded that when shaping lestat's voice this season- and why "oh well aren't they supposed to be racist white guys anyway" isn't an excuse for the racism we're seeing in the scripts. (and honestly even daniel's voice, even though his context is a lot closer to the context the show's writers would have, doesn't always land right- a man who spent most of the 70s/80s in gay bars wouldn't be calling a 6 ft tall beefcake a "twink" and his septuagenarian ass wouldn't have adopted the 2020s derogatory use of the term where people use "twink" as a substitute for "fag" either. he'd just say fag.) if the writers had done more research and had lestat doing archaic 18th-century racism pulls while contrasting that with his misuse of 2020s slang he doesn't fully understand, if daniel was actually speaking like a white guy who survived the aids crisis and cut his teeth as a journalist in late 20th century good-ol-boy newsrooms, i could give the show more grace and say there was some intentionality behind their dialogue- but everything so far just points to the writers themselves thinking "so armand is an abused sub bottom, that's his defining trait" and shoving dialogue about that into every other character's mouth without thinking if that specific person would actually say or think that. there's no reason a 265 yo french former rural aristocrat, a 72-yo usamerican journalist, and a 20-something french-canadian bookseller should be making the same kind of "armand is a beta bottom lawl" comment- but they are doing that in the show, bc the writers think it's funny and expect the audience to laugh along with them.