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Two roads diverged in a wood, and I— I took the one that added 35k extra words to the projected length of this fucking story ahgeilahgleiag

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“But let me give you the dark side of writing groups. One really dark side of writing groups is, particularly newer writers, don’t know how to workshop.
“And one of the things they’ll try to do is they’ll try to make your story into the story they would write, instead of a better version of the story you want to write.
“And that is the single worst thing that can happen in feedback, is someone who is not appreciating the story you want to make, and they want to turn it into something else.
“New workshoppers are really bad at doing this. In other words, they’re really good at doing a bad thing, and they’re doing it from the goodness of their heart. They want you to be a better writer. They want to help you. The only way they know is to tell you how they would do it, which can be completely wrong for your story.”
—Brandon Sanderson, Lecture #1 Introduction, Writing Science Fiction And Fantasy
And this is why many writers (including me) don’t ask for concrit on their published stories - they’ve told the story they want to tell.
If that’s not the story you want to read, you are welcome to write your own version. 😉
He goes on to say that to give good feedback, tell them how the writing made you feel. Don’t say, “instead of that you should do this.” Tell them, “this part confused me.” Or, “my attention drifted during this scene.” Your job isn’t to tell them how to fix it or even that it needs fixed. Your job is let them know what impact their story had on you, the reader. Then they can determine if it’s accomplishing what they want it to and if not, they know which parts need attention.
It isn’t just young writers who do this! Until last fall, this is what I did because this is what my teachers taught me to do. And I hated writing workshops. I kept going to them because I needed to learn how to be a better writer, but…did I actually learn? Mostly what happened was that my work got picked apart and I became depressed and left the story behind because I no longer thought it was any good. My teachers were operating with the best intentions in the world too, but with their help, I ended up with the world’s worst case of writer’s block and a chronic lack of belief in myself.
Then, last fall, my very last semester of college, I took a class with a professor who told us that we were not going to use the classic workshop format. Instead of writing down everything that we thought our classmates should do, we were assigned to ask them questions. And as writers, we were assigned not to sit passively while feedback was fired at us, but to ask questions, to explain what we had been going for and ask if it worked, and if not to brainstorm together how we might make it work.
It was miraculous. Instead of shutting my mind down, this workshop process blew it wide open. Instead of going home after class dispirited, never wanting to touch my story again, I went home inspired, with a hundred new ideas.
So I am a big advocate for this method–and I think it is important to underscore that it isn’t just students who need to be taught it. Writing teachers need to learn it too.
This is so important! And it’s also the reason 90% of “concrit” sucks ass. I have been ignoring “concrit” cheerfully ever since 2003 when people were actually awkward enough to say things like “I’d like this story so much if there weren’t any slash (or het) in it!”
Telling people to write what you want to read isn’t concrit. It’s begging.
Speaking from a past life in journalism, that also counts for changes of style. Maybe you wrote a sentence and used the words you wanted, but an untrained editor might try to change the words they would use instead; to say the same thing but not in your style - or, as we say it, “calling six half a dozen.” Only suggest change of style if the sentence gramatically doesn’t make sense, as it’s often the case with non-native speakers (like me, but I’m blessed with the best friends and betas!)
I have taught creative writing (specifically scifi/fantasy) at the university level, and I absolutely agree with the “asking questions” thing.
Here is how I taught feedback, in case there are any other creative writing teachers on tumblr who want to use this model. Please feel free to replicate this in your own classrooms. (Long post, so it’s under a read-more)
What is your biggest writing sin?
Italic abuse
Comma poisoning
Run-on sentence hell
“I forgot the plot”
Thesaurus overload
What is a paragraph break?
Six pages of description
Too many conlangs
Forgot which character is talking
Other (put in tags)
The first two years of writing a story is just Thinking™️
I love first-person because it’s about what the narrator chooses to tell. What do they focus on? What do they leave out? What can you learn from reading between the lines? Are they lying to you? Are they lying to themself? It’s great for unreliable narrators and for epistolary storytelling! It’s intimate but there’s still a distance because you aren’t really seeing the narrator’s thoughts–you’re just seeing the story that they’ve constructed.
I love second-person because it’s a conversation. Does “you” mean a broad, indefinite “you”? Does “you” really mean “I” but with plausible deniability? Does “you” mean one specific person? Can they hear the narrator? Do they know the narrator? What is the relationship here? Who’s talking? Who’s listening?
I love third-person limited because it’s focused and intimate. What does the world look like from inside this character’s head? What are they seeing? What are they feeling? It doesn’t grant them the privacy that first-person does; the narrative isn’t something they’ve chosen, it’s invisible and inescapable. As a reader you’re not watching so much as astral projecting.
(I love singular point of view because of how much it leans into that limitation. You’re not getting the whole story; you’re not seeing anything unless this character sees it. How do you embrace that? What do you do with the gaps around the edges? How does that define–or warp–the events that they’re experiencing?
I love multiple points of view because of how it broadens your understanding of the story and the world. If two point-of-view characters react in opposite ways to the same thing, what does that tell you about them? About the world? How does it feel to spend time inside a character’s head and then see them from someone’s else’s point of view? How do all of these viewpoints work together?)
I love third-person omniscient because the narrative is a character. It’s great for stories that know they’re stories! It allows for a camaraderie between the narrator and the reader! It allows for wider and more cinematic descriptions because you’re not limited to what a specific person can see! It lets you look at the characters from outside while still giving you the option to delve into their heads because you have full control over what you’re focusing on!
And I love authors who can combine viewpoints in ways you wouldn’t think would work but manage to pull it off! Stories with multiple point-of-view characters where one is first-person and the others are third! Stories that combine first- and second-person! Stories where the omniscient narrator suddenly refers to themself in the first person! Stories where you realize halfway through that you were wrong about who was narrating it!
Isn’t it fantastic that there are so many different ways to tell stories!!!!

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I think I understand what you mean about writing practice? It's focused on one manageable aspect that you can explore and examine without overwhelming you. You incorporate it in your writing in different forms, several times at the least. You experiment. Then you review what you've written in the lens of that aspect and how it worked while writing and how the effect is while reading?
Yeah, basically!
A lot of the craft of writing, when you look at it from a mechanical perspective, is refinement for effect. Tugging on heartstrings, making people fall in love with your characters, inspiring moments of laughter. And a lot of the effects you can go for don't take very much page to play with. I can think of at least two popular tumblr posts off the top of my head (the 'vary your sentence length' one and the 'control your reader's heartbeat' one) that play with rhythm, tempo, and sentence structure, and their effective examples are what...200 words long? 500 at the outside?
I mean, for example, the only way to get really good at writing novels is to write and finish novels, but within that novel there are hundreds of moving parts that could be played with. That said, imho, what you might get out of this kind of focused element practice depends on your process. I write bits and pieces pretty much reflexively and I like to tinker, so I'm not going particularly far out of my way to do any of this. The best way to practice writing is to write things, whether it's full and complete projects or writing exercises or anything else.
hello! not sure if this is a weird question, but I was wondering if you know a writing equivalent to how artists do drawing/painting studies of something they aren’t experienced with (backgrounds/faces/hands)?
my best guess would be something like doing really short stories that focus on sth the writer wants to explore, like a genre/character/dialogue? but I feel like the benefit of a study is referencing a photo or real life in order to make your art more convincing, whereas there isn’t exactly a ‘realistic’ standard for writing so you wouldn’t be able to evaluate your writing to it
So the experience you're looking for is basically "a college intro creative writing class" which is not very helpful, if you have limited resources and/or a horrible experience with college creative writing classes.
However. You can easily replicate this experience for yourself (or in a small group) by getting together and thinking about what kind of writing you would do in this sort of class. A rough summary of would cover:
Poetry - writing some poetry (even if you think it's terrible!) can help you narrow your focus on what words work best in a limited setting.
Fictional short stories with various POVs - 1st person, 3rd person, and even 2nd person short stories can help you flex your ability to tell a story from a different perspective.
Non-fictional short story - I won a small college award for writing about how much I hated working at McDonalds, lmao. Non-fiction might be hard if you've never tried it before, but it can really help you gain perspective on how to project your personal experiences into a work of fiction later.
You don't have to stick to what you think a college professor would like - you can also branch into fanfiction and drabbles, video game scripts, journaling and comics. There's plenty of 'writing class' books you can find second-hand store, online prompt generators, and free classes on YouTube such as Brandon Sanderson's lectures.
The most important thing when practicing your writing is scheduling time to review, especially if you're doing it on your own without feedback. Not only do you want to write things down, you want to take time to read back and reflect. What did you like about the last piece you wrote, and what did you not? Where would you like your skills to grow in (dialogue, description, themes) that you can work into your next project?
While you should push yourself out of your comfort zone (trying to write in the styles of authors that don't sound like you, poetry), don't drag yourself through weeks of doing something you hate. If something is not working for you, switching gears to something else is perfectly fine. On the other hand, don't give up on something just because it doesn't feel write. Like drawing hands, writing skills will get better with practice.
All this is excellent advice!
Adding my two cents worth of elaboration: I've always done two things, vignettes and writing challenges.
For the first, vignettes: my working understanding of a vignette is as a focused piece of writing, highlighting a specific principle, description, or literary something or other. It's not necessarily a short story. It's not necessarily structured. The closest thing I know of in ficdom are drabbles. But. The main point is that it's focused.
This is your sketching, as a writer.
You do it over and over again, fiddling with the sound, the shape, whatever. You describe a dog as if you were a pirate. As if you were a cat. As if you were a second, larger dog. You play. And maybe your vignette is a paragraph. Maybe it's a page. Maybe it's a scene. Maybe it's just two characters arguing via dialogue only until one wins. The point is you're doing something On Purpose and repeatedly in order to refine it.
There is also a GREAT DEAL to be said about writing warm-ups, that help get your brain into the flow state when you're sitting down. That's what vignettes are for, too. You can hit two birds with one stone if you start writing with a vignette and then hop to a longer project with a warmed-up brain.
And as for ideas on what to sketch, there are a great many excellent writing prompt books out there. Or prompt blogs. Or prompt tarot decks/games/etc.
And, of course, that leads very naturally into writing challenges, where you either join them or set them for yourself. Things like whumptober and kinktober, for fandom, but they certainly don't have to be fandom related, or even specifically prompt-focused. You join stuff like GYWO (Get Your Words Out) or Nanowrimo or 750words or 4theWords or decide you're writing a short story every week for the entire year or something else that fits your process better. (And the best ones, for you, are the ones that ARE challenges, where you will have to push to complete them, that the only way to complete them is to make it a priority to. (Though, with that said, it also does not matter if you complete them or not. The point is that you're writing. It's the principle of 'A Million Words To Mastery.'))
If you want to focus on one aspect of a thing (say you keep getting critique about stilted dialogue, etc.), then find or set yourself a challenge revolving around that specifically.
For example, I gave myself a NSFW challenge a few years back, in which I required myself to figure out how to appropriately mesh NSFW elements into my usual writing style. A 'short story a week' challenge to myself broke me of my discomfort with including the elements I wanted to include, showed me where my weaknesses were in actually writing those elements, and revealed where I was simply regurgitating what I had read before and not writing authentically to my own style and preference. Mission accomplished! Of course, all of those short stories were legitimately terrible as short stories, but their purpose wasn't to be good, it was to be focused on this one thing I was trying to explore and develop.
I think, however, regarding the latter half of the original ask, that...the point of vignettes, writing challenges, focusing on one element (just like art studies), and any of the other things from either my reblog or the original answer is not to read your own stuff and ask 'is this good?' or 'is this realistic?' but instead 'does this work?'
Because that's the key: are you connecting to the reader in the way you want? Are you conveying what you meant to convey? Are you, when you reread it or have someone else read it, getting all the reactions you want and none of the reactions you don't? Honestly? You can break every single rule of 'good writing' and come up with something brilliant, because most of the rules are just 'hey, this usually works' and 'wow, this usually doesn't.' That's what you're looking for when you do writing exercises: does it work?
Something I found on Twitter that really puts things in perspective as a creator.

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I love this comic so much.
gosh dang it 🥲
I feel this in my soul
reminder to worldbuilders: don't get caught up in things that aren't important to the story you're writing, like plot and characters! instead, try to focus on what readers actually care about: detailed plate tectonics
did you let me die in your arms in the timeloop
I keep thinking about this post. Did you let me? As in did you not save me? and Did you let me? as in did you allow me the comfort of your embrace at the expense of your own pain, knowing tomorrow I would be back and fine but you’d still be feeling my blood against your skin?
Did you let me die in your arms?
1970s/80s genre fiction is wild because it's like 50% utterly unhinged high-concept stuff that editors nowadays wouldn't touch with a bargepole, and 50% the most misogynistic shit you've ever read in your life

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wishing you a very happy “i accidentally wrote 2k words today”
[ID: A two-panel black line comic titled “WHO WOULD WIN?” Panel on the left features a crudely drawn person contemplating at a computer with the caption “Hours spent brainstorming solutions to a plot problem. Panel on the right features the same person in the shower, holding shower gel and covered in soap bubbles, with the caption “Random thought in the shower” with smaller captions “holy shit” next to the person’s head. End ID.]