Btw no matter what this show will never make me hate a black woman. I don't like how this cast talks about Lala or Taylor whenever they're just being themselves. Angela is always allowed to be messy, annoying, and loud. Outside of this game it's just misogynoir.
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There's a lot of things that will make me drop a fic and one of them is absolutely writing that Ilya knew Shane was gay. Especially for fics that are generally canon compliant. Because even for AUs, it makes no sense to me that a bi man would automatically assume a man is gay and not default to assuming he's also bi if they suspect the man is not straight. Like there's textual evidence of Ilya imagine the kind of girl Shane must bring to his cottage and getting insanely jealous of his romantic relationship with Rose, but yeah sure he knew all along that Shane was gay 🙄.
ilya knowing that shane was gay (as is strongly implied by ilya's "oh, what makes you say that??" line in ep5, which-- don't get me fucking started) requires such a drastic break in point of view and logic that it baffles my mind.
by the time shane & ilya reconnect in tampa, ilya only has a few data points:
shane hollander is never seen romantically tangled with ANYONE. (ep's 1-6)
shane hollander lacked experience with men prior to ilya. (ep1)
shane hollander is incredibly private about his sexual life. (ep's 1-6)
shane hollander is something of a dark horse -- there's no clear correlation between his public persona and his preferences in bed. (ep's 1-6)
shane hollander likes to bottom with ilya. no data on how he sleeps with others. (ep's 2-6)
shane hollander has said to ilya's face that he likes women. (ep4)
shane hollander got shifty when ilya asked about other sexual partners, especially women. (ep4)
after shane spooked and dipped, he was spotted out with rose landry and seemed to enjoy immediate intimacy with her (ep4 + 5)
shane hollander does not begin sexual entanglements easily or without a considerably time commitment (ep's 1-2)
shane and rose never formally announced that they were split (ep5)
shane and rose split because of a lack of "compatibility" (ep5) the cambridge dictionary definition of compatibility defines two things as compatible if they are able to "exist, live, or work successfully." crucially, this definition (and most others) provides almost zero clarification on WHY SPECIFICALLY rose and shane split up. not to mention: shane and ilya aren't compatible by that definition either thanks to the rampant homophobia in the nhl and their status as rival captains.
you would have to stretch #7 to its absolutely logical limit and ignore everything else ilya knows about shane for ilya to somehow magically knew shane was exclusively attracted to men. AND YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE TO IGNORE (as op pointed out) THAT ILYA WAS GENUINELY TORN UP ABOUT ROSE LANDRY AND FULLY EXPECTED SHANE TO BRING ROSE TO THE ASG !!
i am not a huge fan of the tampa hotel scene for a lot of reasons, but one of them is that marks a MASSIVE break in ilya's pov and the logic of the rose arc entirely. as the audience, we're close to shane's internal life: we see his fears, the pressure he's under, the lack of attraction he experiences to Rose. WE know that shane is lying. but ILYA lacks the data to say as such !! ilya would somehow have to believe that there are no other bi men in the NHL at all to immediately jump to the conclusion that shane is gay. if ilya knew shane was gay, he also wouldn't be particularly concerned about the shane/rose narrative. he'd intuit that their relationship would collapse (why tf would an a-list movie star stay with a man she met three seconds ago who isn't in her industry and who isn't attracted to her when she could just date a man attracted to women??) and would shrug it off the way he shrugged off all their lulls.
THE TRAGEDY OF THE ROSE ARC IS THAT SHANE CANNOT CONVINCE HIMSELF BUT HE CONVINCES (almost) EVERYONE ELSE ! INCLUDING ILYA !!!
more thoughts under the cut b/c this is already getting long.
now, the way the show plays ilya's response to hollandry is straight jealousy. ilya knows how hard it was to get behind shane's walls! and like immediately after shane spooks, he's lovey dovey with rose ??? the most reasonable conclusion for ilya to come to was: rose and ilya were sleeping with shane at the same time, and ilya made himself too complicated to keep on the roster. without ilya, shane was free to pursue an exclusive relationship with rose landry.
this reading (that ilya assumes shane is bisexual, with perhaps a slightly greater preference toward men than women) is reinforced by his compulsive attention to hollandry's relationship and his commentary later -- oh, not so gay you can't fuck rose landry.
IF tierney or rr wanted to play in the ilya-always-knew sandbox, it would only take a few lines to indicate that ilya is privy to the same horror shane is subjecting himself to: that shane would rather die wondering and tear out whole chunks of himself than dare to be emotionally and romantically intimate with another man. this could be done through texts -- we know ilya is okay sending prvocative texts that get no response from shane, folks!! -- or through voice mails, through chirps on the ice. we have options!! instead, they play it as straight jealousy. you can't have it both ways. it can't be simultaneously that ilya believes shane is in love with rose AND that he always knew shane was gay.
frankly, i think both rr and tierney are queasy about ilya's bisexuality and bisexuality generally. in particular, i'm stuck on ilya hedging "no, not completely" when shane accuses him of not being gay. first of all: that back and forth adds absolutely nothing to the narrative other than confirming shane's biphobic assumption that being bisexual lets you opt out of the world's homophobia by always being with women. it's sloppy writing for a cheap joke that isn't even funny. but it also pulls most of the stakes out of ilya's plot with russia.
we know of two (2) reasons ilya wants to get out of russia: his family is booty-butt-cheeks-ASS and he's queer. ilya's dad is now very conveniently dying and he has more than enough money to never speak to his brother again. if ilya knows he can never be with shane and he doesn't think of himself as completely gay and his fuck you USD income & investments would become TURBO FUCK YOU MONEY when he went home, why is he so eager to get away from his russian passport? why not just move to one of russia's many major cities, marry a nice girl, never think about it again? push it down and pray? it's precisely this inconsistent treatment of bisexuality -- that a bisexual man is bi enough to fuck another man but only experiences / thinks about queerphobia when it's convenient for the plot and otherwise walks around as a straight man -- that should have been caught in several writing rooms and was instead played for fucking laughs.
shane's biphobia ? juicy and interesting to me. the narrative biphobia, that treats bisexuality as a fun side trick but totally disregards it when it becomes an inconvenient source of tension or gets in the way of a cheap laugh? deeply boring, old, honk shoo honk shoo, cut it out already.
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i think shane would never be able to forgive hayden for the fanmail incident. and the worst thing is he would want to, so bad. hayden was the only one on his team who stood by him, who defended him, he tore himself up about it enough. he should forgive. but even years later when he thinks about it, the way he lost the trust of his whole team, the way his face was national news for weeks, and most importantly how fucking stupid hayden was.
he'd never even think to look over a video before posting it to make sure there was nothing secret in the background. he would never think about what one video, one still image, one interaction could do to his image, his life. he hasn't spent ten years knowing that the second he drops his guard the vultures swoop. he hasn't had to, because he's not gay, and he's not asian, and he's never had anything to be ashamed of or anything to hide and no one has been breathing down his neck waiting for him to show a weak spot for again, the past ten years.
so he just ruins shane's life. not out of malice, but just because he wasn't cautious. more than anything, shane can't forgive him for that. for not having to be cautious.
Something about the bastardization of the story time and time again proves that nobody in power really cares about the people who would resonate with King’s Carrie White. A girl so ugly and repulsive she’s been removed from her own story. The societal need for women and girls to be constantly perceived as attractive is what fuels a fair amount of her torment in the book, but that person isn’t even allowed to exist on the screen. We cannot empathize with her; it isn’t allowed. It’s fascinating to me.
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see season 2 is still months away we need to start getting creative again i need our best posters back in the studio. how are shane and ilya using the data on their oura rings?
competition to see who can maintain the lowest heart rate during sex. It starts off with them chirping each other but they have to go slow so it gets very intense Very Quick
shane and ilya ARE using chat gpt im sorry to say. but shane is using it to help him create weekly meal plans for making gains when his nutritionist is on vacation, and he's telling no one about it. ilya is using voice to text in the supermarket to ask it things like "Hello Chat GPT - please generate me list of hayden pike's biggest professional weaknesses"
like shane and ilya WOULD use ai but i can only imagine harris pulling the team aside one day and telling them about the damage it causes. of course most of the centaurs tune him out except for luca and troy and shane (only bc he's still waining out of Role Model Mode). shane deletes his ai apps off his phone and makes ilya do it too but ilya just redownloads it and keeps it in a secret folder (and shane knows about it. and uses it sometimes too)
Please put on your N95s. The same ones used for covid will filter particulate pollution. I lived in a city with yearly winter pollution levels like this. If you can pay for it, you might as well get an indoor air filter to sleep in.
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Shane with a softer stomach & a grown out treasure trail. Gray haired laugh lines on his face & even more freckles on his cheeks & shoulders from years spent in the sunshine. He needs to wear his glasses 24/7 & he’s slowed down a bit but when he & Ilya get on the ice at their hockey camps his shot is still killer.