we fucking knew it. vindication. also phil babe what happened to the flash drive...
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we fucking knew it. vindication. also phil babe what happened to the flash drive...

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fellow aromantic sickos make some noise
[ID: A meme of an emoji face rubbing its hand together evilly and smirking, captioned "When the narrative got romance as denial of agency". End ID]
#parents? neither jedi nor clones have ever heard of that#romance? neither jedi nor clones have ever heard of that#mentors? teachers? trainers? now we're talking
said this in the tags of another post but i'm still thinking about it. because i think this is what bothers me about a lot of clone and jedi fanon, like plo koon as wolffe's dad or cody and obi-wan as an old married couple. neither the jedi nor the clones have a culture where those roles are A Thing. there is no "this person is like a parent to me," or "i love them so much wish we could be together always and forever."
like, anakin marrying padme was a fuck up. that was bad. he should not have done that. that was breaking the rules in a way that led directly to his fall. not because he loved padme but because he wanted to be with her and only her forever and ever as long as they both shall live. very few jedi are going to approach romance/sex the way anakin does and that is good. and then the whole thing where a lot of the fandom can't... conceptualize not having a parent and that lack being a non-issue, so the clones have daddy issues regarding jango and all the mentorship type relationships the jedi cultivate are re-framed as parents with kids. and then plo koon gets to be wolffe's dad. because for some inexplicable reason this is a kind of relationship both of them would understand and also want.
YES THIS!
lol so a month or so ago I went on a... this-adhd-med-I'm-trying-is-actually-making-it-worse?!!-induced fixation rabbit hole and possibly wrote out like 30+ pages about clone culture/worldbuilding. During which I realized the clones would probably have NO sense of amatonormativity, like at all
Why would they be ingrained with the same standards and expectations about relationships/marriage/nuclear family etc that we are familiar with when their exposure is primarily limited to:
1. Jango who requested a clone of himself to raise as a single father
2. Kaminoan scientists who reproduce via cloning
3. Bounty hunter trainers who agreed to cut contact with their families and live on a secret isolated planet for 10+ years
4. Jedi generals who are separated from their birth families, raised communally, and swear off marriage
And that's not even to mention their indoctrination
Chuchi: And what happens when you're too old to fight? Clone: That's not a scenario we're trained to think about
Like the aspects of amatonormativity and compulsory sexuality/romance that come from societal pressures and an idea of "purpose." The belief that "love/marriage and having a family is the most important and fulfilling path" or whatever. That is not something that would show up in an environment like Kamino, which depends on and enforces an entirely unrelated set of expectations. The clones are trained and conditioned to value their singular purpose as expendable soldiers. They'd probably be specifically discouraged from thinking about those things, to the Kaminoans it would just be a distraction, most of them won't live long enough for it to be relevant anyway. (Not to say that none of them would ever end up wanting those things, just I think generally operating from a baseline of disinterest/low-priority)
I think this is part of why idk how I feel about what little of Rep Comm I've read. Like the whole Kal'buir thing, I get it for the nulls whomst he literally adopted but for the others? There's a difference between a father and a trainer, even if he's a nice one. And I guess it just feels like "fixing deficits" rather than letting clone culture be different than ours (same with like transplanting them into Mando culture/heritage, giving them all girlfriends, and curing the accelerated aging)
Also recently found out that the Jedi lineage thing (like the terms "grandmaster/grand-padawan" or "padawan-brother) is fanon, not from the Eu. And I def think those relationships could be important to the Jedi but it's funny? how fandom seems to only conceptualize it as parent-child lol? I guess Anakin does say Obi-wan is "like a father to me" but again, that's Anakin, and makes sense for him. Obi-wan doesn't really acknowledge that (to him Anakin is a brother) and we shouldn't assume all Jedi think of it in that way. There are so many ways to care about and relate to people that don't just fall into those roles.
literally this. i fully believe some clones would want to get married and have kids or find parental figures and stuff like that, but that desire is not The Normality They Have Been Denied. it's a life that some people want that the clones discover is a possibility during/after the war, and to some it appeals and to some it doesn't, but they don't have a context in which that kinda nuclear family life is Normal or Expected.
also pulling this out of the tags because once again, shaking your hand:
#our norms are not their norms#and it's so much more interesting to explore theirs instead of pigeonholing them to conform to ours#(esp when our norms are dumb too anyway)#so yeah more aroallo jedi please!
i think alloaro is/should be the "expected norm" for the jedi honestly.
#I also just love the idea of clones raising younger clones/tubies not as their children but as little brothers -- #like numa was calling waxer and boil “brother” the whole episode yall#and omega always refers to the batch only as her brothers not dads
my hc for clone family structure is based entirely around sibling relationships and military hierarchy. all clones are brothers but big brother = person in charge of keeping you alive = commanding officer. nothing to do with age, a designation based solely on rank and/or the nature of the relationship. to be a big brother means to hold responsibility for someone, either by the choice of making a friend and deciding to take that role in their life or by getting promoted into a position of authority. cody is the big brother of the entire 3rd system army, but also be decided to be a mentor/big brother to rex in particular because he liked rex and wanted to teach him some things to help him survive. (in this way i think they could be an interesting parallel to the jedi, in that mentor type relationships are the most important/form the basis for how people become connected and take care of each other.)
i love the idea of that sibling/mentor based family structure carrying over after the war. cadet squads are fostered by volunteering older brothers. wartime batches/squads/platoons chose to live together and run their households together. the wartime officers are the ones who have the responsibility of helping their troops adjust to civilian life. as clones make friends and take lovers from other communities/cultures yeah of course some of them are going to want the new lifestyles they are being exposed to. but also! regular every day citizens becoming part of clone communities should be a thing! some rando starts dating a clone and it's getting serious and instead of the two of them moving into their own apartment, the new person moves into the house their boyfriend shares with his old squad, and helps out with the cadets the squad is fostering. maybe the couple have some bio kids for the hell of it, and those kids get raised communally with the cadets. i think clone culture changes a lot after the war but i think some fundamentals of "this is how family works" should stay the same instead of being erased to fit our own cultural norms.
To be quite honest with you all I do think that aro/ace-spectrum fans in fandoms where people are desperately inventing crossover ships and humanizing non-human characters in order to have a conventionally attractive guy to ship the main character with, instead of possibly having to enjoy a story with no romance in it, have the right to refer to everyone else as cowards.
I said, "Can I examine the dead human now?" Indah just looked tired. "Can you humor me and please refer to the victim as 'the deceased' or 'the victim' during the course of the investigation?" She turned to go, not waiting for an answer. She missed Mensah mouthing the words stop it at me. (Fugitive Telemetry, 12-13) Thiago was standing out on said observation deck, trying to reason with a potential target. (That’s "potential" per the earlier conversation where Dr. Arada said Oh SecUnit, I wish you wouldn’t call people "targets" and Thiago had given me the look that usually means It just wants an excuse to kill someone.) (Network Effect, 9)
ugh, hate it when these special snowflakes ask me not to refer to people as "the dead human" or [checks notes] "the human who i'm gonna kill here in a minute," sooo annoying 🙄
When you think of it in terms of Murderbot’s entire existence until Preservation Station being one long job in customer service with no personal rights or ability to quit, its attitude towards random humans makes perfect sense.

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i haaaate being avoidant. it makes you feel like the world's biggest jackass whenever someone tries to talk to you or whatever and you just Freeze Up
Oh sorry i took a long ass time to reply and didnt say anything. I got arbitrarily scared and tired myself out so now i cant say much. Oopsie teehee. it makes you feel like a huge dickhead
i'm sorry i didn't respond to your DM for 23 days. the number on the notification icon got really big and i began having irrational anxious thoughts such as "what if people are in there trying to contact me"
The funniest part of Julien's shadow being Thjazi getting confirmed is the reveal that not only was this not a deliberate contingency plan of Thjazi's, but that he apparently didn't know until reading those papers that it was the only thing keeping the Tachonises from getting their hands on him (hence the repeated attempts to kill Julien).
Probably the only person in Aramán more annoyed by this state affairs than Julien is Thjazi himself.
Anakin Skywalker Would Have Been a Terrible Father — Even If He Never Became Darth Vader
One of the most persistent fandom headcanons is the “soft dad Anakin” AU. The version where the war ends, he stays on the Light Side, Order 66 never happens, and he becomes this fiercely loving, devoted, protective father to Luke and Leia. The version where he heals, goes to therapy (in spirit if not literally), and pours all that intensity into healthy family life.
It’s a comforting fantasy.
It also fundamentally misunderstands who Anakin Skywalker is in the prequel era.
Let’s start with the text itself.
"Anakin disregarded the moral point of the tale, and instead fixated on a glimmer of hope he found in it. He knew it was dangerous, but he was willing to give anything to discover this mythological power so that Padmé might cheat death. He would willingly lay down his own life, lose their child, and destroy everything else he held dear to save Padmé from his mother's fate - and save himself from enduring a life without her. In exchange for Padmé's life, he was prepared to watch the whole galaxy burn."
In the RoTS novelization, Anakin reflects that he would “willingly lay down his own life, lose their child, and destroy everything else he held dear to save Padmé from his mother's fate.” He is prepared, explicitly, to sacrifice his unborn child if it means Padmé lives.
That’s not subtext. That’s not interpretation. That’s canon interior monologue.
And that alone tells you everything you need to know about what kind of father he would have been.
1. He Does Not Prioritize His Child. He Prioritizes His Attachment.
A good parent prioritizes the safety and welfare of their child above all else. That doesn’t mean they love their spouse less. It means that once you become a parent, your responsibility shifts.
Anakin’s does not.
He is willing to let his child die if that is the price of keeping Padmé alive. Not because he carefully weighted two impossible choices. Not because he was forced into a moral dilemma. But because, in his mind, the child is secondary.
The core of Anakin’s fear is not “my child will grow up without a mother.” It’s “I cannot survive losing Padmé.”
His driving motivation is not fatherhood. It’s abandonment trauma.
He is still the nine-year-old slave who lost Shmi. He is still the traumatized child who never learned emotional regulation. And instead of processing that, he transfers the entire weight of his psychological stability onto Padmé.
That is not the foundation of healthy parenting. That is emotional dependency.
If your child grows up knowing, consciously or unconsciously, that their father would have traded their life for their mother’s? That does something to a person. It breeds insecurity. It breeds resentment. It creates a hierarchy of love.
Anakin doesn’t see it that way. But children feel these things.
2. His Love Is Possessive, Not Selfless.
Anakin doesn’t love gently. He loves intensely, obsessively, desperately.
He doesn’t want “a family” in the abstract. He wants a nurturer. He wants stability. He wants someone to fill the hole left by Shmi. He wants something he can call his — something that cannot leave him.
That is why his love is so volatile.
In Star Wars: Episode II – Attack of the Clones, he confesses admiration for dictatorship. Padmé laughs it off. When he massacres the Tusken Raiders — “not just the men, but the women and the children too” — she rationalizes it as trauma.
This is a man who responds to grief with annihilation.
And she marries him days later.
In Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith, when Obi-Wan confronts Padmé with the truth about the Jedi Temple massacre (thousands dead — adults, teenagers, children, infants), her response is denial. She already knows he has killed children before. She chooses not to integrate that reality.
When she says, “There’s still good in him,” it does not land as clear-eyed hope. It lands as a continuation of years of deliberate blindness.
This is not a relationship built on truth. It’s built on projection and fantasy.
They love versions of each other that don’t fully exist.
Now imagine raising children inside that.
3. Anakin Is Jealous by Nature.
This is the part fandom doesn’t like to talk about.
Anakin gets jealous of Obi-Wan. He gets jealous of Padmé’s political commitments. He gets jealous of the Jedi Council. He resents anything that divides loyalty.
He wants exclusive emotional primacy.
Now introduce a child.
A baby demands attention. A toddler monopolizes affection. A child often becomes the center of a mother’s emotional world.
Do we honestly believe that pre-fall Anakin — who already struggles with insecurity and possessiveness — would respond to that without difficulty?
He might adore his child. He might be tender in moments. But if he ever perceived that Padmé loved the child more? Or that her focus shifted permanently?
That would hit directly at his abandonment wound.
And Anakin does not handle abandonment well.
The same man who slaughtered an entire Tusken village because he lost his mother is not someone whose jealousy would remain mild or well-regulated.
4. Trauma Bond, Not Stable Partnership
Their relationship is forged in adrenaline and secrecy.
The Clone Wars heighten everything. Forbidden love. Battlefield reunions. Intensity. Passion. Grand gestures.
But remove the war.
Remove the urgency.
Remove the “we could die tomorrow.”
What remains?
Two people who never truly learned to know each other outside crisis.
Padmé defines herself by service to the Republic. Anakin defines himself by the need to protect and possess the one person who makes him feel safe.
That is not sustainable long-term.
Even in a universe where Anakin never falls to the Dark Side, something would eventually rupture. His neediness would clash with her duty. Her compartmentalization would clash with his demand for emotional centrality.
Children raised in unstable emotional ecosystems feel that tension.
5. “Soft Dad Anakin” Ignores the Psychological Core of His Character
Fandom loves redemption through domesticity.
But parenthood does not automatically heal trauma.
It often amplifies it.
Anakin is:
Unprocessed in his grief
Terrified of loss
Prone to black-and-white thinking
Comfortable with violence when emotionally triggered
Deeply possessive
Emotionally dependent on one person
Those traits don’t disappear because you put a baby in his arms.
Without profound inner work — the kind he was never shown doing — those traits would bleed into fatherhood.
Maybe not as physical violence. But as:
Emotional volatility
Overprotection that borders on suffocation
Favoritism
Jealousy
Conditional warmth tied to loyalty
And children are exquisitely sensitive to that.
6. Padmé’s Enabling Matters
This is not solely an Anakin problem.
Padmé repeatedly chooses denial.
She ignores his authoritarian statements. She rationalizes his massacre of non-combatants. She lies to Obi-Wan after the Temple slaughter. She attempts to run away with him rather than confront what he has done.
She does not meaningfully challenge his darkest impulses until it is too late.
In a “happy AU,” unless Padmé fundamentally changes as well, that enabling pattern continues.
And children raised in households where one parent enables the other’s instability learn dangerous lessons about love.
7. The Hard Truth
Anakin Skywalker could have been loving.
He could have been affectionate.
He could have been playful.
He could have been fiercely protective.
But loving does not equal healthy.
Devotion does not equal stability.
Intensity does not equal safety.
The tragedy of Anakin is not that he lacked love. It’s that his love was warped by fear and possessiveness.
Without confronting that core wound — without dismantling his obsession with control and fear of abandonment — he would not magically transform into a perfectly regulated father just because the war ended.
The Dark Side did not invent those flaws.
It magnified them.
And if we take the text seriously — including his own admission that he would sacrifice his child to save Padmé — then the uncomfortable conclusion is this:
Anakin Skywalker was not built, at that stage of his life, to be a good father.
Not because he was incapable of love.
But because he loved in a way that consumes.
And children should never have to compete with that.
Something I do find lovely about the first 4 Murderbot Diaries books (can’t yet speak on all of them) is:
Murderbot chronically finding new scientists/travellers to claim as “clients” (whether paid or not) like one of those sheepless herding dogs that goes around finding sheep (or anything else they can herd like a flock of sheep). Like it clearly has a protect humans instinct and a desperate need for enrichment.
Given its general lack of self awareness and unreliable narrator status, there’s no way in hell Murderbot is aware it’s doing this.
Murderbot: I just want to be left alone to watch my shows. I care nothing for these humans. I hate having clients.
Also Murderbot: *noticing unaccompanied humans that have nothing to do with it at all* Oh look, clients.
a rogue SecUnit will see a group of scientists and be like “is anyone going to protect them?” and not wait for an answer

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You ever think about many peices of media have zero women and thats just perfectly normal but if a peice of media has an all female cast people get... like that? Women should be allowed to kill over this btw
same but it's black people
That's right
We agreed we all change. Better or worse, we change together.
“marriage is a legal document that protects you, you’ve gotta decouple it in your brain from romance and amatonormativity” the fact that marriage is a legal document that protects and privileges you (that, might I add, generally isn’t valid without romance+sex) is LITERALLY amatonormativity. A legal status that privileges people in monogamous long-term romantic-sexual relationships IS AMATONORMATIVITY. That is *what it was coined to talk about.*

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Faux leather was the worst thing ever created
Lets take a material that can last decades with the right treatment and care and fucking replicate it with the most dogshit ugly flimsiest animal extinction microplastics smells bad unsexual rips in four days garbage disgusting saran wrap we can think of. Ostensibly for vegans.