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You can say what you want about Achilles but you can't deny that he is
Swift as a coursing river
With all the force of a great typhoon
With all the strength of a raging fire
Mysterious as the dark side of the moon
So yeah he can be a man!
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In Statius’s the Thebaid, there’s a scene where Theseus is about to go to war with Thebes and Hippolyta plans to join the fight but since she’s already pregnant (with Hippolytus), Theseus convinces her not to.
It’s very bittersweet in how Theseus is trying to protect both his wife and son only to be the cause for both of their deaths…
I didn’t think I would enjoy the Achilleid as much as I did. And I have to say, I think it’s because Statius portrays human emotions in such a realistic and psychologically refined way.
I didn’t expect him to like Ulysses, but I think he does — because he’s very deliberate in the way he depicts his cunning, and especially his ability to read the young Achilles’ emotions and lead him exactly where he wants him to go. See? It's not true that nobody could appreciate Ulysses and portray him well after Homer!
And above all, I didn’t expect to spend so much time in the company of Thetis and her motherly emotions — but it turned out to be a pleasant surprise. I honestly didn’t care much about Thetis before, but recently I’m starting to appreciate her more and more.
FYI Jane Wilson Joyce is still up for email contact, heres a list of scholars she recommended me to learn more on the Thebaid
- Fred(erick) Ahl
- Elaine Fantham
- Stephen Miller’s work on the site and the games of Nemea
- Karla Pollmann’s study of statius and Vergil
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People who only limit themselves to Greek mythology and hate on Roman mythology are boring you guys should pick up Ovid's works and Virgil's Aeneid they're wonderful it will truly open your third eye, it's okay to read Roman works you'll live.
Unless it's the Achilleid. NEVER read the Achilleid I hate that shit. Statius my enemy.
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Happy Death Day Pompeius Magnus.
Some lines about Pompeius' death from various ancient poetry
(no, not Lucan, because Lucan makes me sad)
402.—Anonymous - On Pompey the Great In what sore need of a tomb stood he who possessed abundant temples!
(The Greek Anthology 9)
[...] Who, Great Pompey, after your victory over the forces of Mithri-dates, your recovery of the seas from piracy, and your three triumphs gained from campaigns which traversed the earth, would have believed that, when you could now pass as another styled the Great, you were destined to perish on Egyptian shores with but fire of shipwrecked wood to burn your corpse and remnants of an upcast barque to make your pyre? [...]
(Manilius, Astronomica IV)
[...] Guilty Alexandria, land ever ready for treason, and Memphis, so often blood-stained at our cost, where the sand robbed Pompey of his three triumphs, no day shall ever wash you clean of this infamy, Rome. Better had your funeral processed over the Phlegrean fields, or had you been doomed to bow your neck to your father-in-law!
(Propertius: The Elegies III, 11)
You shall shed pious tears for the crime of Pelusian Canopus and give Pompey a tomb more lofty than bloody Pharos
(Statius, Silvae II, 7)
§ 5.74 ON POMPEY AND HIS SONS: The sons of Pompey are covered by the soils of Asia and Europe; Pompey himself by that of Africa, if indeed he be covered by any. What wonder that they are thus dispersed over the whole globe? So great a ruin could not have lain in a single spot.
(Martial, Epigrams V)
i think my favorite part of statius's achilleid is when achilles (currently being mentored by chiron) has killed a lioness and taken its cubs, and is poking them into showing their claws, only to toss them aside and run up to hug his mom when he shows up. it's such a youthful behavior. he's a dumb kid doing dumb kid things and he's excited to see his mom. he's described as "already as tall as his mother." he has no idea that someday the lion cubs' role will be reversed, and that he will be the cub lying dead while the mother shows her claws. it's only a couple of lines and yet it paints such a bittersweet picture of a young achilles.
put aside fear of death and stop dreading its menace —Statius, Silvae II.183
