Apparently, some sammick shippers here liked my Sammy pride meme, and my Remmick collage... I block them, obviously, but it kinda makes me feel paranoid, and bcuz of that, I check the profiles of the ppl who like those two certain posts(but Ig I'll have to do the same w the post of my cute silly pfp-).

It also makes me feel misunderstood, because I'm not one of them... Just because I've got a Remmick pfp, a Remmick collage and a meme abt Sammy in my blog, doesn't mean I ship em. I do it for my own indulgence, and for my own fun. Also, I actually really hate this ship, and think it's predatory, and that Remmick was after Sammy, only because he wanted to use his gift, so he could see his ancestors, because Remmick was trapped in the living world, since he was a vampire. I don't see anything romantic about it, nor do I want to read an explanation from people who ship those two, so if you ship them, and you're reading this post, please don't like my Sammy related and Remmick related content.

Anyways, thanks for reading this post, and have a nice day. I hope this post would change something, and that I would feel at least a little more at peace, when people like my stuff after they read this post.

So discmorse over on twitter has already made the above tweet, but it’s something I’ve also been pondering myself over the last couple of days.

While it’s true that anti-shippers coined the term “antis” for themselves (though some of them passionately deny this), I’ve noticed that the term is vague enough that people who are outside of fandom discourse can’t tell what it means. Additionally, the pro-MAP/pedo and pro-zoophilia communities over on twitter have stolen the term to refer to people who are anti-IRL-pedophilia and anti-IRL-zoophilia. I’m sure it’s safe to say most of us who call ourselves anti-antis and/or pro-shippers identify as anti-MAP/pedo and anti-zoo ourselves. 

If they haven’t already, it’s very likely that more industrious anti-shippers will probably use this muddying of terms to their advantage at some point, in order to convince others that we’re attacking anti-MAPS and anti-zoos when we criticise “antis.” This would obviously make things needlessly complicated and confusing for people just coming into contact with fandom discourse, and it would make it easier for anti-shippers to convince newcomers that anti-antis/pro-shippers truly are defending IRL pedos and zoos.

To that end, I propose we do away, for our part, with the terms “anti” and “anti-anti” and come up with terms that are more self-explanatory and specific.

While I find the term “fandom frollo” both accurate and amusing, I think this term is also a bit too opaque, since anyone who isn’t familiar with Disney’s Hunchback of Notre Dame won’t really understand the connotation there. Plus, well, some of us anti-antis/pro-shippers are big fans of Frollo as a character, so associating negative IRL fandom behaviour with that character could become alienating to the actual Frollo fandom.

Personally I think “fanpol” or “fancops” is the best option we have right now for “anti,” since it is much easier to figure out (lots of folks are familiar with portmanteaus and how to understand them), and the idea of “fandom police” is rather self-explanatory. While the full term “anti-shipper” or “anti-[fill in your ship name here” is also self-explanatory, “fanpol/cops” has the advantage of applying to multiple fandoms, and to those who morality-police multiple aspects of fandom, not just shipping. My suggestion would be that if you want to specifically discuss anti-shipping, or anti-[fill in your ship name here]s, you use that full term (i.e., “anti-reylos,” “anti-bakudekus,” etc). Do not simply shorten it to “antis.” Make sure your terms are clear and specific.

As for “pro-shipper”, I think it has the same strengths and weaknesses as “anti-shipper.” It’s a very specific term, used for only one aspect of fandom. Of course, if you are a pro-shipper, feel free to continue to call yourself that, but I’m not sure it covers the full spectrum of anti-antis, or those who are anti-censorship. There are also pro-shippers who use the term because they aren’t fully comfortable identifying as anti-antis, though there is frequently a great deal of overlap. This is also perfectly understandable. It’s a perfectly fine term, and feel free to continue using it (I will, too), but as I said, I think it has the disadvantage of being too closely tied to just shipping.

I personally propose that “anti-antis” should start calling ourselves “anti-fanpol/cops.” It, like “fanpol/cops” has the advantage of being fairly self-explanatory and easier to figure out. It’s right there in the name, “anti fandom police.” Furthermore, it would automatically associate us with the anti-authoritarianism within fandom that we seek to represent.

Naturally, antis are going to refuse this terminology - at least at first (though in the ATLA some fanpol have already embraced it). They are going to try and redefine terms again, or try to continue using the old terminology. Do not play along. Do not back down. Continue using explicit, specific terminology instead of using vague terms like “anti” or “anti-anti,” which all too easily allow goalposts to be moved.

I have, however, seen people, including members of our community, argue that the term “fanpol/cop” may be insensitive to those who belong to minority groups, since they often do have to worry about very real police violence. This is something worth considering, and we need to be willing to listen to feedback about that. On the other hand, one might also say that authoritarian behaviour in fandom is unacceptable no matter who it’s coming from, and that if you police your fellow fans, your spade deserves to be called a spade. So I think there still needs to be some discussion on that. 

In any case, the table is still very much open for ideas. Sticking to “fanpol” and “anti-fanpol” is my personal preference, but I would love to hear alternatives and for us to have a discussion about the possibilities here.

Why thank you!! Though some have it worse than me. Death threats have not reached my inbox YET!! (Well their was that troll but I deleted that the moment I got it..) As I was saying others have it worse than me. I try not to get involved with the shipping wars. Plus I’m pretty invisible in this fandom lol!

Over on Twitter, there's a tweet that claims - with zero evidence - that Antis are putting CSEM on AO3.