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Okay, as I move into the last third of Hymns for the Road:
Silver can never use an endearment/familiar language (darling, sweetheart, etc) with a Winter because the Rules post-Change are that humans cannot address Winters directly.
The societal power imbalance constrains Silver's language.
But the flip side of that is that Folk who emphasize their society power can't have the warmth/familiarity of being addressed with endearments. And if any of them were to try to initiate familiar language, it would come off as demeaning because it would be unearned familiarity.
Aster gets endearments because Aster has been downplaying their societal power.
But the humans may still not ask Aster - a Spring - a question. It's possible that the day that the humans can ask Aster a question without fear of reprisal is the day Aster stops being a Spring - stops being one of the Folk all together.
When it comes to Aster and Glass's budding relationship, it may be that it's not that Love means that the power imbalance can be ignored. It may very well be that Love destroys the power imbalance -- but that it either costs Glass their art or Aster their immortality. And Aster so loves Glass's art.
I'm always a sucker for stories where the Power of Love is rooted not in it being some kind of warm, squishy feeling but in the fact that love cannot be gotten by power.
Okay, as I move into the last third of Hymns for the Road:
Silver can never use an endearment/familiar language (darling, sweetheart, etc) with a Winter because the Rules post-Change are that humans cannot address Winters directly.
The societal power imbalance constrains Silver's language.
But the flip side of that is that Folk who emphasize their society power can't have the warmth/familiarity of being addressed with endearments. And if any of them were to try to initiate familiar language, it would come off as demeaning because it would be unearned familiarity.
Aster gets endearments because Aster has been downplaying their societal power.
But the humans may still not ask Aster - a Spring - a question. It's possible that the day that the humans can ask Aster a question without fear of reprisal is the day Aster stops being a Spring - stops being one of the Folk all together.
When it comes to Aster and Glass's budding relationship, it may be that it's not that Love means that the power imbalance can be ignored. It may very well be that Love destroys the power imbalance -- but that it either costs Glass their art or Aster their immortality. And Aster so loves Glass's art.
Okay, as I move into the last third of Hymns for the Road:
Silver can never use an endearment/familiar language (darling, sweetheart, etc) with a Winter because the Rules post-Change are that humans cannot address Winters directly.
The societal power imbalance constrains Silver's language.
But the flip side of that is that Folk who emphasize their society power can't have the warmth/familiarity of being addressed with endearments. And if any of them were to try to initiate familiar language, it would come off as demeaning because it would be unearned familiarity.
Aster gets endearments because Aster has been downplaying their societal power.
But the humans may still not ask Aster - a Spring - a question. It's possible that the day that the humans can ask Aster a question without fear of reprisal is the day Aster stops being a Spring - stops being one of the Folk all together.
When it comes to Aster and Glass's budding relationship, it may be that it's not that Love means that the power imbalance can be ignored. It may very well be that Love destroys the power imbalance -- but that it either costs Glass their art or Aster their immortality. And Aster so loves Glass's art.
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do the harbinger rings automatically somehow shape themselves to fit the wearer
I’m imagining someone obtaining a ring that is way too big and it keeps slipping off mid spell or maybe it falls off and gets lost
or someone who obtains a ring that’s way too small and they can only get the ring on halfway. and what if the rings only work if they’re put on halfway or more on someone’s finger and since this person’s is right at halfway, their powers sort of glitch in and out
but in this universe I feel like it would just make the most sense for the rings to adjust automatically idk
Aster got called "darling" by Silver!! I don't think Silver had used endearments for Aster previously? Like, in the same breath, Silver says that they might not tell Aster anything, but that Silver is comfortable addressing Aster so informally says a LOT about how much trust Aster has earned.
I'm starting to suspect that Glass is going to decide that their Somewhere Better is with Aster...and Glass' found family is starting to accept that, as well.
Oh, hey! I didn't notice it before, but the cat gets gendered pronouns!
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Murderbot describes Preservation as using a “complicated barter system.” The funniest (to me) interpretation of this is just that they use cash and MB has never seen actual for real physical paper/metal cash before (what is currency but complicated barter?). However it’s fun to flex the cultural worldbuilding imagination and say, what if the Preservation economy is structured as a LETS, which is also, conceptually, sort of, a complicated barter system.
LETS stands for Local Exchange Trading System and has been implemented in a few places in recent decades. At its core it’s a different mode of conceptualizing debt.
Basically, the way we treat money now is as a commodity: it is zero-sum Stuff that we hoard and accumulate. You earn it and then you spend it. It’s based on the logic of scarcity. A LETS treats the idea of money as more like debt: you create more by borrowing it from a conceptual pool. You spend it, and then you earn it. It’s based on the logic of abundance.
To my understanding, you “borrow” a certain number of Green Dollars (the LETS monetary system discussed in the specific example I attended a lecture on) from the central tracking system. You can use that to pay for whatever good or service you want. Then, you are obligated to do that many “Green Dollars” worth of goods or services for that person (or someone else, depending) at some point to balance the ledger.
You can’t be denied a “loan” if you’re in the red; that’s not how it works. You declare that you’re using X amount of Green Dollars, there’s no application/denial system. BUT if you have a history of not putting it back into the community, people can stop doing business with you. It’s an economy based on reciprocity and reputation.
Essentially, spending money is not so much spending money, it’s making a promise to put this much value back into the community at some point in the future.
It has only ever been implemented on fairly small and local scales, and usually as a supplement to the “regular” economy; I think to make it work on a planetary scale, there would need to be a central governmental “bank” keeping track (election to the oversight of which is probably a critically important job) as well as designated government-run “sinks” where people can pay to get stuff like food and health care without being expected to return an equivalent amount because what they need is far more than what they can return.
You can get rich by providing a good or service everyone wants, but the currency you’re rich in is basically a promise to pay you back in some form, and then the things that people do for you. People can transfer Green Dollar debt too: if X does a service for Y, then Y does a service for Z, Y can agree to accept the repayment via Z doing a service for X if X has something Z wants more than Y does. The goal is to create networks of inter-reliance where debt is not a bad thing but rather a representation of what we owe to each other and to society.
Local communities may act more like gift economies where “everything comes out in the wash” anyway, and direct trade of items or services can sometimes be expedient, but the LETS and its central bank tracking people’s yet-unpaid debts and repayments is the primary planetary economic system. There are a bunch of committees around this.
Unrelatedly to the LETS thing I imagine Preservation having a “service tax” akin to jury duty where every once in a while you are called up to spend the day washing dishes at the communal free food court or something. Also a looooot of industrial scale food production is done by ag-bots. Also it’s extremely common and kind of culturally expected that most people grow some food themselves, whether it’s a window-box of herbs or a fruit tree they tend or a vegetable garden. Also also surplus food is stored in the government-owned cryo-pods that the Pressy colonists were in—if they can keep a human alive in cryo stasis for 200 years they can keep fruit and vegetables fresh for as long as needed, so if a food crisis ever comes up the government has a stockpile. I think these are important ways that labor and goods get distributed also.
The system is complicated! Centralized government that makes sure everyone gets what they need AND creates a system where people can get what they want from each other AND making sure inability to repay debt doesn’t prevent people from getting what they need AND community-oriented reciprocity economy AND making “accumulation of monetary wealth” not really a possible thing AND making sure no individual or private group can corner the market on an important good AND making sure doctors and farmers and politicians get adequately compensated for the work they do AND making it possible to be an artist or academic who doesn’t do anything “practical” but still can dedicate their life to it and get what they need AND ensuring disabled people who can’t meaningfully “pay back” for what they need to live… it’s a system with lots of places to prod it, but a LETS structure rather than a cash economy feels more in keeping with the philosophy and values of Preservation. And Murderbot from the outside sees it and has no language to articulate what it’s seeing besides “complicated barter system” because it sure is complicated!
I've just finished listening to the Harbingers podcast, a show about what happens when a select few people in our modern world get magical abilities and the political ramifications therein. It's really excellent and its first season just finished. The performances and audio design are really good. It's written by the creator behind Wolf 359 so if you like that style of dialgogue, then this will be up your alley. It's heavily grounded fantasy that's less about the magic itself than the implications of the magic. It is also about how two people fumbling each other led to over a million people dying.
the phrase "Honor Princess Detective is a tour de force" would not leave my brain until i drew this
[ID (copied from alt): A three-panel comic depicting Murderbot, Sofi, and Farai from the Murderbot Diaries in a simplified style.
In the first panel, Sofi excitedly says, "SecUnit!!! The season finale is about to start!!!" while adorning Murderbot's head with a tiara. Murderbot responds on the feed, "Yes, I see it."
In the second panel, Murderbot and Sofi are seen from behind while Farai walks past carrying a basket. She says on the feed, "You don't have to indulge her."
The third panel shifts into a more detailed and intense style in a close-up of Murderbot's serious face. It says, "Honor Princess Detective is a tour de force." In the corner, a simple style Farai resembling the nervous smiling emoji says, "Okay." /end ID]
We don't know many details surrounding the other Harbinger rings not possessed by Adam and Amy. We can infer that one person got their ring from the South Korean military and Damian is implied to have been given it by the Catholic Church (unless I misunderstood the exchange he has with Amy in the season finale). Adam got his while on a research trip and Amy was given hers by a billionaire. This got really long, so it's going to be under the read more.
It's Amy's ring that I want to focus on because there is a consistent theme throughout the podcast of colonialism. Most of the Harbinger sites we know of were in colonised areas, including the one in County Leitrim. Look at the list of known Harbinger sites here and just look at how many are places France colonised and yet of the three ring bearers who's identities we know for certain, two of them received their rings from locations they have no connections to.
Amy talks about how the most major study of the Leitrim site happened in the 70s and was conducted by a professor from the University of Oxford and how the political climate (the Troubles) may have influenced how that study was done. That it was an English professor from an institution with strong colonialist ties studying on an Irish site while paramilitary groups in Northern Ireland were in the middle of a violent campaign against British occupation. It's clearly drawing attention to who gets to study the Harbinger sites. This was the 70s. Ireland was a sovereign nation with multiple universities and yet it was Oxford conducting this research.
Seemingly, not much has changed since given that Oxford academics are multiple times cited throughout the podcast as being leading experts on the Harbingers but no Irish institutions are ever mentioned. Even when Amy is pitching her research project to the board, she mentions several other universities that may try to get to the Leitrim site first or who are sprinting to investigate the Antarctica site, the University of Oxford among them, but no Irish university is ever brought up. Given how often the Irish Harbinger ruins are mentioned throughout the podcast, the implication, to me at least, is that British research institutions historically excluded Irish institutions from the research or at the very least monopolised resources to study it. Oxford has such an excellent Harbingers research department in part because it's Oxford but also, likely, because it has had lots of time to study and access the Harbinger sites in Ireland. After all, for many centuries Leitrim was British territory, they had easy access to it. (Sidenote: I would also expect that Oxford's experience with Harbinger sites would extend to other locations that Britain colonised such as Australia given the implication that the Doomscroller is Australian) Additionally, note the fact that the site in Leitrim is named the Petrie site, being named after the English researcher who studied it in the 70s. I would think it very unlikely that the land the site was within didn't already have a name that the site could have been named after and yet, it was named after an English researcher (dare I say explorer). In this way, Oxford's study of the Harbingers is a part of the broader British colonial project even in the late 20th century.
Now we come to Eckerberg. Eckerberg is, presumably, American. As far as I recall, he has no ties to the UK or Ireland. He is a private individual operating a business, not an imperialistic empire and yet, he recreates the colonial dynamics. Eckerberg, through a subsidiary company, bought land in County Leitrim to create a windfarm. This land happened to be near or include the Harbinger site where his employees investigated the Harbinger ruins and removed the ring of the mind from the site. It entered into Eckerberg possession and he decided to give it to Amy, another American. At no point in this process was a single Irish person involved, certainly not the Irish government from whom Eckerberg was technically stealing from. (In Ireland national heritiage site, which presumably a Harbinger site would be in this universe, are State property). The nationalities involved here are no mistake. English academics being tied to old school colonialism and an American billionaire using his wealth to conduct neo-colonialism.
Eckerberg had a twofold reason for establishing his windfarm in Ireland. Firstly, to sell wind power and make a tidy profit and secondly, to investigate the site in search of a ring. Amy rails against Eckerberg's use of generating electrical power to give himself more power a lot when it comes to his reactor, but the windfarms are that dilemma on a micro-scale. The second purpose, is neo-colonialism plain and simple. A private entity using economic power to strip value from a country with less power than theirs. Then Eckerberg, who is a private citizen, gets to decide what to do with this ring of immense power that he took out of a sovereign nation, presumably without ever telling anyone (apart from Amy) that he did so. Eckerberg's disregard for political institutions is a running theme in his dynamic with Andi and the way he effectively buys the kind of president he wants to see.
Sidenote: I find it interesting how not once does Amy consider the implications of Eckerberg taking the ring as an act of theft. Why would she? It was her initial plan too. She pitched her research plan with the intent of finding another magical ring. It is explicit in her pitch that she wanted to find a ring for her university (and for herself). What grounds did Amy Sterling have to claim such a ring? She doesn't seem to ever consider why she has the right to it other than 1. she has studied this area extensively and was clever enough to think it was somewhere being overlooked and 2. other people worse than her might get to it first. It's a great example of her self-aggrandizement and certainty that she has to be a savior--which are fantastic character flaws.
This is reflected in her determination to classify the Harbinger relics recovered from the South Korean submarine wreck. She is certain that the knowledge the relics give must be hidden and protected lest people do immense harm due to the knowledge. It's likely the correct stance but it is certainly a paternalistic one. She knows what's right and has to make that decision for the rest of the world, the rest of the world cannot even know that the decision had to be made. She gets to decide what is done with the South Korean relics. She gets to decide what is done with the Ring of the Mind. Eckerberg gets to decide what is done with the Ring of the Mind.
This is not to condemn Amy, it's just pointing out a strand of her hypocrisy and one of the ways Eckerberg acts as her foil.
I expect we're going to see this idea developed further as we meet more ringbearers in later seasons. We don't know how the Doomscroller got his ring but I wouldn't be surpised if we see more examinations of how powerful institutions decide how magic ought to be wielded, independent of already existing power structures that they are theoretically accountable to. We saw this with Eckerberg's economic power, I expect to see it regarding the Vatican (another institution with deep colonial ties) and the military.
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Part of the reason I like the theory that the magic rings in The Harbingers won't just work for anybody is that it works better with the larger theme that no person should have the amount of power that the rings grant.
If Boston ends up on the moon because Adam is a uniquely bad person, then "just give the ring to someone better" becomes a solution. But Adam isn't a uniquely bad person. He's just a human with the same mundane flaws that all humans have.
It's just that when a mistake can have that high of a death toll, then that's a power no person should wield.
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
Chapters: 1/1
Fandom: The Harbingers - Fandom
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Andrea Shepherd/Amy Stirling
Characters: Andrea Shepherd, Amy Stirling
Additional Tags: 5+1 Things, Mind Control, Character Study
Series: Part 1 of Women in Power
Summary:
Five times Andie didn't ask Amy to use her powers, and one time she did.