I designed all 15 suitors of Penelope that are mentioned in the Odyssey… I have no regrets, I love them so much, I will never let them go. Considering yapping sessions for each one based on their known stories and my headcanons for them
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And below are the full images in height order too (idk how tumblr quality will deal with them LOL)
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This was actually inspired by an amazing mention by @lady-of-the-upside-down which you can find here
Have you all noticed how Antinous had made himself de facto the leader of the suitors of Penelope and yet he was arguably one of the least favored among them both socially or other?
He was not the richest or the one favored for the part of the husband of Penelope (Eurymachus seem to be preferred for it even by Penelope's father Icarius)
He was not the most preferred by Penelope (Penelope seemed to like Amphinomous more than all the other suitors because of his diplomatic nature and his generally meeker ways)
He was not someone connected to Odysseus's expedition (Eurynomus the son of Aegiptius was the brother of one of the men at Odysseus's ship that lost his life to Polyphemus)
His family was not necessarily honorable in the eyes of society in general and the palace in particular (His father had joined the Taphian pirates against the Thesprotians that were the allies of Ithaca and ran a fugitive at Odysseus's feet and Odysseus saved him)
Everything about Antinous seems to make us wonder how on earth he managed to succeed as a de facto leader even if he seems that nothing about him gives off that vibe. He was not the favorite choice of the council or Icarius for the hand of Penelope, he didn't exceed everyone in wealth and he was not preferred by Penelope (on the contrary) and yet we hear by her own lips that "he was said to exceed everyone in Ithaca of his years in his mind and his words" (σέ φασιν ἐν δήμῳ Ἰθάκης μεθ᾽ ὁμήλικας ἔμμεν ἄριστον βουλῇ καὶ μύθοισι) and he has gained first place on the table of the suitors. And yet
He is the most confrontational both at the eyes of the household and Telemachus himself whom he relentlessly pounds with his irony and words
He is the most violent in regards to his plans for he is one of those that wishes the strongest to kill Telemachus
He is arguably almost always drunk or at least severely inebriated (he makes several remarks in regards to wine, most of the time he is depicted drinking and he even dies at the moment he tries to take a drink)
He is the one who argues the strongest and tries to be seen and heard
What if Antinous had to truly claw himself up to society after his father's betrayal? What if his own attempts to become "the best" came from the fact that he was a subject of mockery himself at his youth? What if him drinking exceedingly hid some sort of previous trauma response or coping mechanism? What if his zeal to be heard or become a leader for the name of his own glory has this deep root behind it?
What if his obsession with Telemachus was partially because of his jealousy of Telemachus' father's name and glory?
Telemachus was a child of a famous father. Odysseus was known and loved despite the fact that he had a reputation for indirect methods. As opposed to Antinous's father Eupeithes who became a traitor and failed and had to throw himself at Odysseus's mercy. Telemachus had a mother of a known line, of a known name despite the fact that she too used indirect methods to keep them at bay.
Telemachus is everything that Antinous seems to be; an heir to the throne of a known and loved kingdom, he is the son of honorable parents known in their society and strongly tied with power and the gods' favor. Telemachus is young, vigorous and strong possibly good at sports and words himself
Antinous seems to have struggled to be the best as a young man (he even speaks at how highly he thinks of Odysseus even if he has barely met him as a child) and he speaks very highly on the virtues of Penelope. He seems to try his best to be pious to the gods (when he suggest they should offer a sacrifice to Apollo before trying again with their challenge) despite the fact he stumbles many of their laws.
THIS is why he so much desires to break Telemachus or destroy him! THIS is why he antagonizes him when Telemachus finally speaks. If Telemachus proves himself better than him at speech and council then Antinous would lose a powerful paper against him. If Telemachus succeeded gaining the love and attention of the Ithacans then he would lose the popularity he so hard struggled to gain. If Telemachus becomes a man he is going to lose the last chance he has to become the king of Ithaca! This is why he absolutely has to get Telemachus out of the way if he cannot intimidate him to submission.
Telemachus stands in his way of achieving elevation for his name and an escape out of his own family's shame that seems to fall upon him
Antinous could potentially be the bully that was a result of bullying.
By the way help us fight misinformation by reblogging the Lines Spoken By Antinous so that we can get it out of the way once and for all!
→ Eurynomos was a flesh-eating daimon of the underworld, who stripped the flesh from rotting corpses of the dead. He was associated with carrion-feeders such as vultures and meatflies. He was depicted as a man with black-blue skin seated on a vulture’s skin.
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Helloo, you can call me leslie, I go by any pronouns but I suggest you use they/them pronouns on me^^
I usually just post my suitors of Penelope design so yeah
Heres some of my suitors of Penelope design^^
Sorry if they aren't really Greek accurate but their design are just for fun^^
Lastly I really love if you guys like send ask about my silly little suitors, I don't really mind if their freaky or not ^^
Boundaries!!
- please just PLEASE stop asking sexual asks to ANTINOUS, I have mentioned many many times that his aroace plus I don't feel comfortable with the"freaky" ask about antinous, I know I can just ignore it but still
I hope you wouldn’t mind doing name translations more often from time to time since I’m assuming it takes a little while to complete those lists. I’d love to see ones for the Odyssey monsters, other suitors, and maybe even some of the more underrated warriors from the Trojan War like Pandarus and Cebriones. Apologies if I’m asking for too much, but I do love etymology and Homer!
You are very kind and thanks for understanding but yes it seems these lists have become very popular these days hahaha. I am so happy at how fast and well this previous answer of mine spread!
💬 24 🔁 48 ❤️ 95 · Some of the Greeks: · What are the meanings behind the names of the main Iliad and Odyssey characters? Just curious.
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But sure I could do that! I will try at least to deliver! Hahaha So here goes:
Odyssey Monsters:
Scylla/Skylla-> The Shredder, The One Who Tears Apart, The Mangler
Coming most likely from the ancient verb σκύλλω which means "to tear to shreds" or "to rend" or "to mangle"
(This verb probably gave the modern day name to the "dog" σκύλος from the fact that the canine's teeth and jaws tear apart flesh and also the modern day σκύλα means "female dog" or more fittingly "bitch" as an insult too the same way as in english. I suppose it also helps that Scylla was said to make puppy sounds to lure her prey)
Charybdis-> The One who is Agape and Spits Out
Although the meaning is not 100% certain it seems to come from the verbs χαίω "to be agape", "to be open" and βδέω "to throw up" , "to belch"
Sirens -> The Searing Hot Ones, The Blinding Bright Ones
From the word σειρός which means "scortching hot" and "bright"
(As per my other analysis you can see here Sirens represent the dangerous knowledge that consumes and kills you if you accquire it)
Cyclops -> Round-Eyed
From the Greek κύκλος "circle" and ὄψ "eye"
As per the name Πολύφημος Polyphemus his name means "The One Much Sung About" or "The One with Much Fame" from Greek πολύς "much" or "many" and φῆμις "speech", "talk" "fame"
Laestrygonians -> The Skin Harvesters
Once again not totally clear definition but could be coming from the words λαισήϊον "raw skin with hairs still on" and the verb τρυγάω-ῶ "to gather" or better "to harvest"
Suitors:
So I would assume the Homeric suitors because I totally am not to go through all the list of the hundreds of names suggested by Apollodorous hahahahaha So apart from Antinous, Eurymachus and Amphinomus, Homer names 12 names more (I have made another answer you can see here)
Leiodes -> Smooth-Like, Even-Like
Coming probably from the adjective λεῖος which means "smooth" or "even" while the epithema -δης on occasion means "resembling"
Eurydamas -> The Tamer of Many
From the word εὐρύς which means "wide" or "plenty" and probably the verb δαμάζω which stands for "to tame" or at times "to break" (in the essence of taming)
Le(i)ocritus -> The One Of The Smooth Decision, Smoothly Judged, Even Judge, Smoothly Chosen, Evenly Judged
Possibly from the word λεῖος aka "smooth" or "even" and the verb κρίνω aka "to judge", "to decide" and therefore the word κριτός "the one judged" or "the one chosen"
Agelaus -> The Leader of People
From the verb ἄγω "to lead" and λαός "people"
Amphimedon -> The One of Two Thoughts, Double-Thinker
I had to take a wild guess for this one since the meaning is not perfectly clear. I would estimate comes from the word αμφί "both of two things" or "two things" or "two sides" and the verb μένδομαι "to think" or "to be mindful"
Elatus -> Metal One, Armored One, Fir Tree
Possibly coming from ἐλατός aka "made out of metal"
Same word is used in modern Greek to speak on the fir tree
Eurynomus -> Of Wide Share, Much Distributing
Probably emanating from εὐρύς which means "wide" or "plenty" and νέμω aka "to share" or "to distribute"
Euryades -> Widedly Sung, Much Praised
Once again I had to take a very wild guess because the second part could derive from words that mean "pleasant" or "hated" haha but I think this fits better. coming from εὐρύς "wide" or "plenty" and ᾁδω "to sing" or "to chant"
if it comes from the word ἡδύς aka "pleasant" then his name could be "The One of Many Pleasures" or "Much Pleased"
Demoptolemous -> Warrior Of The People
From the ancient word δήμος aka "people" (in the political essence aka a mass of citizens of a place) and the word πτόλεμος which is an alternative of πόλεμος aka "war"
Peisander -> The Persuader Of Men
From Greek πεῖσις "persuasion" or "obedience" (coming from the verb πείθω "to persuade") and άνδρας "man"
Polybus -> The One With Many Oxen
Most likely from the word πολύς "many" or "much" or "plenty" βοῦς "ox"
Ctesippus -> The One Who Possesses Horses, The One Who Acquired Horses
From Greek κτάομαι-ῶ μαι "to acquire" or "to possess" and ἵππος "horse"
Now for the two names
Pandarus -> Of All Pelts
From Greek πας aka "everyone" or "all" and probably δέρας "fleece" or "pelt"
Cebriones -> The One From Cebrenia
Probably indicating his city or area of origin, named after the river god Cebren (Κεβρήν)
I am not sure what other "underrated warriors" I can include here so if you have something specific in mind I can see what I can do. For example I remember
Hyppothous -> "Fast Horse" or "The One With Fast Horses"
from the word Ἱππος "horse" and θοος "fast"
As always I hope this helps! I am not of course 100% accurate but I think this is a decent attempt