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How do you think the pacing of Sansa's arc would happen in Winds? Before Feast Dance her average count was 7. I think she has a lot of ground to cover and a huge part of her plot still remains to explore. Vale tourney, leaving the Vale travellogue( mountains and sea), travellogue through North, succession issues with Robb's Will, meeting with Jeyne which will probably ignite her want to take down Baelish, foundations for ruling and helping Rickon rule. This is a part where Jon and Bran have more experience than her so this needs to be played out if her endgame is ruling North. Then there is the Jonsa issue which also needs to move to text from subtext maybe it will parallel this other TWOW North plotlines of her. I think she has a lot of plot to cover in next book and with the narrative textual space that George has given to her in the first three books as average it is not going to cut. No wonder he has trouble fitting so many things in Winds.
Hi there!
I wrote a speculative post once comparing the potential structure to ACOK and I think it's still roughly sensible.
I suspect there may be an extra chapter in there if Sansa's connection to the mountain clans is treated with prominence, but I don't think we'll see her explode upward into the teens, since there will be several complementary POV's to add to her own.
(Bran is maybe nine years old, so I wouldn't say he has "experience ruling" in a way that actually matters, so much as he was the young figure head under the guidance of Maester Luwin. He showed his talent, absolutely, but he made no actual impactful decisions with the same kind of judgment and independence as Jon or Robb in their own roles as "men grown". They would not have let him run hog-free like Joffrey.)
But I agree that her arc will be about Sansa getting more active, hands-on training in rulership than ever before. Her arc was never about being thrown into the deep end of power and doing trial-and-error experiments with people's lives. It's always been about observing, judging, contemplating, and that is actually very dear to my heart, and I appreciate being able to see it continue before she is handed real power.
sometimes, I look back at the names of the chapters of my long-fics (minus IDNLUT) and I am very proud to be writing something coherent enough so that people can get the subtleties and the different parts of the story by only looking at the chapter count
This is my way of procrastinating instead of writing first thing in the morning.
(maybe i should do a post about it? although i'm terrible with names...)
If you scroll through my blog long enough, you'll find that I've rebloged and/or have said something about how long a chapter should be. Though I don't entirely disagree with what I've posted before, I think I need to make something clear.
DISCLAIMER: I am not a professional. I don't have any traditionally published works (one day I will, hopefully), and I don't have the experience of a pro. I am just an eager learner online sharing what I know and have recently learned. Corrections, suggestions, and constructive criticism are welcome.
Your word count per chapter isn't that important.
Sure, most publishing houses in the industry have preferences on how many words you can fit in a book, but you don't need to be strict on yourself with the numbers.
I have read books with chapters as long as 20+ pages and as short as 2 pages. In the same book, okay?
Your chapters don't need to have a specific word count as long as you're telling the story.
You can have one chapter with 3000 words, but so much stuff happens that you might as well cut it up into smaller parts that are easier to digest. You can also have a chapter with more than 3000 words, more than 5000 even, and it still feels like 1 solid part.
But don't think how much you say doesn't matter. It does. But how much you say and how much happens are equally important.
You can say a lot about a small event. You can describe sensations, the way someone blinked then turned away, the way you caught your friend staring at you, the way your teacher stuttered and almost failed to save face, etc. Even if they're short-lived and can only realistically happen in a second, as a writer, you can prolong that second by saying more. When you say more, the reader reads more. Thus, making the experience slower.
The opposite can be done with less description. If you want something to feel faster, explain less. Instead of writing a paragraph about a single action, limit your descriptors. That way, you'll fit more actions in fewer words and in less time.
But slow doesn't mean bad. Neither does fast.
It all depends on the scene.
What you say and how much you say should depend on how you want the reader to feel...how you want them to experience it. If it's a fight scene with a lot of actions, and you want your reader to feel how quick your antagonist's moves are, talk less. Show more.
But if you want time to slow down for them, make use of the character's voice. Give them an opinion to share. Make your readers experience the frozen moment with your character. Describe the feeling of what is happening rather than just the initial event.
But if you're as stubborn as I am, and you still want a specific number, google the average word count of a chapter within the genre you're writing (also include the ideal length of the overall work: novella, novel, etc.).
According to wordcounter.net, the general guideline is 3000 to 5000 words per chapter. But really, it's just a guideline.
"...chapter length should be defined by the story and that any chapter length targets you decide on are merely guidelines."
What I learned online is that even chapters, the bricks you use to build the story, could have structure. In my opinion, if you can take the extra time to thoroughly build the structure of your chapters, please do. It'll make it better in the long run.
But if you're (still) as stubborn as I am, just make sure it has a BEGINNING, MIDDLE, & END.
You can start a chapter exactly in the middle of an action. That's fine. For as long as that action/event is something that leads to the main focus of the chapter. By all means, skip the idle scenes that give no meaning and serve no use to the story. But you don't want your reader missing out on crucial details.
The chapter has to begin somewhere, lead to an important question/task/mission/whatever in the middle, and a solution (at least a half solution) - plus another question to keep your readers reading - in the end.
Remember, your word count doesn't tell you whether you have a good story or not. It just says how long the story actually is. Just as a 15-minute Taylor Swift short film can make you cry and a 2-hour action movie can feel like it's only been 10 minutes, stories consisting of 1k to 100k words rely on meaning, emotion, passion, and purpose to have value.
Thanks so much for reading! I hope this helped you at least a little. I'm open to suggestions, tips, submissions, corrections, and constructive criticism. Just send me an ask, submit or hit the DMs <3
This might seem like a stupid question but are we allowed to submit a multi chapter book so long as the entire work stays under the 6000 word limit? I'm terrible at writing oneshots and enjoy using chapters for small time skips :")
Sure, as long as the word count limit is not passed.
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Working on the next chapter for Order...and it’s currently 3 pages long/1600 words and i’m faced with a conundrum.
it’s too short! lol. it feels too short. but at the same time, it feels right to end it RIGHT there. *Sigh* writer problems, right?
So i’m gonna write the next bit and see if i can mesh them together somehow or if i should just give up and post two short chapters back to back.
in the meantime, i have bits of 2 different chapters further down the line already written that keep taunting me as they climb further and further out of reach. “Nope, you can’t work on us now, we’ve decided that there should be MORE between us and your current chapter”