Man: A cop is cop (interviewer says something that I can't make out) and you know yeah and he may be a very nice man. I haven't got the time to figure that out. All I know is he's got a uniform and a gun, you know, and I have to relate to him in that way. That's the only way to relate to him, at all. Because one of us is gonna-- one of us may have to die.
Interviewer : You know in new york there's a big campaign going on to humanize the policeman and they have billboards upstate. And they have a picture of a big cop bending over this little blonde girl, and and the signs say "some people call him pig" and I wanted to buy billboard, I told a friend of mine "I want to buy a billboard and show this big cop and this 14 year old kid with thirty bullets in him and say 'some people call him peace-maker.' "