Corruptiongate p.4: The vanishing never-existence of Jonathan Byers, Suzie Bingham, Barbara Holland — and the drama of the real finale + doppelgangergate
[ p.1, p.2, p.3 + visual erasure of Will in s2 ]
Jonathan seems to be a character created by the Lab to give Will a brother. Jonathan could be visually based on David Bowie and performing tasks of supporting him and also introducing Will to music, which would keep Will in the simulation.
(although I’m not sure that he as Jonathan acknowledges it, and probably is genuinely living in Nina and loves his ‘brother’)
But Jonathan isn’t just an empty hologram.
(meanwhile, notice how the colour palette of Jonathan’s room, including the Bowie shot, duplicates in Will’s t-shirt)
…Have you ever wondered why we love Robin so much?.. Why she is such a good friend to Will? Why she has basically substituted Jonathan for him? Why is she so good at music and even knows what Will would like, barely being acquainted to him?
(we’ve known for a long while that Holly is Mike, and who knows who’s Max atp, but Ig, this door also has a lock on it)
my og post with 👆 visual analysis + @beaulesbian meta finds
Robin is good at music like Jonathan, Robin likes Nancy like Jonathan, Robin is Will’s support like Jonathan. Robin knows the kids. Bc Rockin fucking Robin IS Jonathan.
And it’s Robin who plays Jonathan, not vice versa, bc👇 Steve and Robin are Brenner’s numbers 👇
(It can also explain the absence of their parents)
The way I see it is that Robin was placed in the hologram when, let’s say, Will needed a brother figure; as soon as he’d grown up, he got a queer friend who helped me where Jonathan could’ve but he wouldn’t understand Will that much. All this time it was one character, who was originally a girl, but changed their gender to fit in Will’s life.
Jonathan yearning for Nancy while Stancy, anyone? (now I even see Steve in Dan. And El)
this also explains why the characters keep quoting each other: sometimes it can be literally just one character, or it can be switching-arcs-s5 (like in @warmglowhc example of Dustin being Mike), or repeating storylines, mixed up with each other.
(do we still remember that Priah wasn’t that satisfied with Erica’s ending? could that be bc Erica is not real either?)
What fascinates me is the tendency of switching genders of the characters, depending on what was needed for Nina tv-season:
At this point I believe that Dustin is in the lab, same as Henry is 001; but Suzie and Barb are their versions needed for other characters for the plot.
❗️Along with this there’s a pretty solid evidence for stonathan endgame by @strange-anni which also matches Will’s erasure from the narrative; so far I’m not exactly sure how it aligns, but as there are also shots of Robin and Jonathan together, I believe in the simulation they can be duplicated (doppelgangergate, anyone?): like, here’s a nurse looking like Nancy, aside from Vickie being Nancy:
Ted and upper Hopper doppelgängers are from @erikiara80 (one, two) the last one is from my post here
and as for this gang, I’ve always felt like they are a crew here, so I even assumed that they might be just the “agent smiths”, however, as we’ve just seen, I still believe that just partly —
I think it’s gonna be the drama of the real finale:
some of our characters are just a program, but they’re attached to each other, they have feelings, and they might be not ready for this to end.
Stonathan might be endgame inside Nina, if Steve chooses to stay. Ronance will become endgame irl. Max’s been sus too long not to be a program, so does it speak in Lucas staying in Nina? (We’ve had theories that Lucas could’ve stayed with her version wherever she is, and somehow we’re back there?) If Steve stays for Jonathan, Dustin might stay for Steve. It also means that Eddie might get back into the picture, but generally we need to lock in sfm with doppelgängers, as it’s a huge hint at who’s real.
The ticket from Tales quite truly foreshadowed:
[ main corruptiongate posts ] [ other key theory posts ]
p.s. here’s one more genderbend and self-insert from this post by @lesikm
Just recently we have discussed that we don’t know why El was looking at the camera in Nina as if Brenner could see her: my assumption to that is that he also visits his holo-worlds.
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Also!! Mike & Will with the red & blue ties again:
The Graduation S5
The Snowball S2
It’s all leading back to S2 and the Snowball I swear ❄️
EDIT: had a google what the grid pattern means for characters: It represents control, order, rigidity and repression 🫠
DR. OWENS: Can easily see what he would be battling in this regard. Owens is like a double-agent (allegedly), fighting against the expectations to obey orders of Dr. Brenner and the lab. At one point he’s even encouraged to let Will die, but he risks his life to help both Will, Joyce and Eleven (allegedly lol, his true intentions are still questionable).
MIKE?? Need I say more what he’s battling against 😭 “Trying to keep on a normal path” as Finn put it best. On the “Straight and narrow” like @gritstartar said. Repressing his true emotions and choosing logical expectations of him instead.
And of course there are a million scientific meanings to this pattern! Maps, tactical grids, vital signs monitor, heaaaps more:
(also that part about Murray Bauman feeding everyone and providing them with everything they need…)
As for Vecna, the point is that his presence has been seen in the show vividly at least since s2, although in 1x02 we have the Abyss — The Dark Crystal reference, which also has impacted Vecna’s mind lair; for sure it can be just a directorial nod and not literally Brenner directing the mind lair), but the Lab workers collected Mike’s game in s1, and no matter what we think is true, whether the timeline is correct or that was something that happened pre-s1 but was just shown as a main story of s1 (I believe this), we can assume that the game could’ve been used for creating the narrative for the kids in Nina, which would explain Vecna’s presence in general as their big bad. But we also know that Vecna and Brenner are pretty connected (or the same? not Henry tho)
So, can we say that ST shows the way the kids* are trying to beat the big bad in their heads (imaginary/virtual world/the hologram), and there’s a real story painted with these D&D colours? or could it mean the demos are also literally a part of the game inserted in their ‘play’?
although I have one more theory about the demos nature too, where they are a real sci-fi part of this all (but couldn’t not share this train of thought with you either!), I’ll post soon!
* here I’d say Mike in the first place, but not in a way where he’s alone in his head and everything is imaginary… I haven’t finished the text including what I think of his part in this story yet, but just wanted to make it clearer, that I don’t insist here, in this post, on the kids roles in Nina
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@nightnut that's an honest-to-god bunk bed in Mike's room for no reason, yeah :D The Wheeler house seems big enough that Holly and Mike never had to share but oh well!
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Do you remember the first day that we met? It was… It was the first day of kindergarten.
I knew nobody. I had no friends, I just felt so alone and so scared.
But I saw you, and you were alone too.
(I can’t believe they vhsed (ratio’d) it almost a decade ago and no one AGAIN noticed; @misspracticallydelulu paid attention to the red cube, and I’ve just clocked their ratio trick, annnd…
DUFFERS WHEN I CATCH YOU!)
and I just walked up to you and I asked... I asked if you wanted to be my friend.
And you said yes. You said yes.
It was the best thing I've ever done.
*** (007)
(I don’t believe ‘the first day of kindergarten’ was the first day that they met, also I wouldn’t worry too much about the blood; I’ll get there later, but this 👆point still stands.)
hmm 🤔😅 I have a certain idea atp 😅
(an honest-to-god bunk bed has been found and its presence was confirmed by @chromatictapestryperditions ✌️)
although El had a separate room? anyway, here it is, and do with that what you want 🙂↕️
Also patterns around Mike lwk remind me of:
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late tagging bc it seems to be a big ‘coincidence’ and I still wanna share 😅 sorry if you’ve seen the post already!@pinksweaterinthecorner @nuffit @worldofsouthernwind @daeshikoba @dawnschild @alexiswrite @ten-universe @mike-wakes-up @bbghostbones @persistentmimicgrail @cypher-heart-no-key @sidoniemoon @pancak3sandbac0n @beautifulsoulsaretaken @honeymandarin @astyarz @miwiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii @seekingmeteora @hashedhag @honneimon @bird-on-the-fly @uppercaseloveconfession @whateverworry @solariansea @bbghostbones @hemiecat @eggsmilady @15ba0 @alexiswrite @ten-universe @warmglowhc
shared with @daydream-oddities my old post on Heroes playing 3 times in the show, symbolising Mike losing Will and 3 fake-out deaths… and now I’m thinking:
why haven’t I ever considered these topics as one, like every time Mike thinks that he loses Will he feels like he’s dying, but every time this loss is fake bc he can’t really ever lose Will (and ‘death’ won’t happen either)
so, afaiu, playgate has basically turned out to be not just s5, but the whole show being Brenner’s tapes, concealing a real story (although I’m still curious why he rushed s5 this way, that it went this wild and chaotic), and that’s why we can get a spin-off instead of s6, as the corrupted story is done, and we watched it from a to z, and that was a story within another story — a real one
(but maybe they can insert it as another season, who knows, although it does feel a bit off as the real story, as I see it, is not a continuation of that one we know, it doesn’t logically lead from one event to another, it’s leading us out of the tapes into the characters’ real life, although having experienced there some events that we’ve seen.)
(the mf brothers made us watch the fake footage for 10 years, not just one season in 2025, the biggest prank of a decade)
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not sure if it is something (bc Vickie can be either fully a program element, or just her s5 version based on s4), but I’ve always felt like these Vickies are lwk not the same, having a bit different vibes?
now that I’ve posted her being Nancy, I’ve noticed that s5 Vickie’s hair looks more like a bowl-cut than it did in s4. or maybe it’s still can be considered as the same cut? I’m not sure. but something ab it still makes me side-eyeing it 👀
(the convo with @worldofsouthernwind about bowl-cuts made me recall these thoughts)
But only 2 of them fell - and were (almost) found dead in the water.
Water. A fall. Two of them... Wait a minute.
Are there only two waterfalls because El didn't fell?
I mean, just watch their scenes together. El's scene in Iceland ended and she immediately reappeared with Mike to save him... literally in the same setting. I explained you here already that Mike's and Will's falls were on the same day, so... what happened here?!?
The sequence right after is even crazier now. Again, it's Mike, El and Will and the outstretched hand in every. Single. Scene.
If you're interested in some extra info:
I was looking up what it would align with in my pre-synced versions, I'll give you a quick best of, bc I don't think I will make a separate post about this.
Max reading her letter to Billy: replaying the memory of when he left; felt like part of her died that day; sorry she just stood there; friends, good friends; both Williams
Mike noticing Vecna at the Mac Z: falling, crashing on the ground and getting knocked out
Jancy lying knocked out next to each other on the ground
Ten to Papa: "They're both dead."
El asking why it'd stop, just when Will and Mike stop mid-air
Mike stopping mid-air looking like Steve swimming in the lake (finding watergate)
Also: Max almost dying bc of Vecna, El in a coma and El opening a gate twice
autocorrect not having warned me that I was one typo away from turning a yearning romantic lead into a passionate knitter should be illegal… why do I have to wake up to this realisation ten hours later in horror, where should I sign… (Some of you reblogged the real quality stuff from my page atp 🤣 sorry, Jonathan)
I made another similar mistake once with couch and coach, and… it stayed like this for a while until I noticed lmao English, why are you doing this to me 🙈🤭
Hear me out the AI allegations of Season 5 are so fucking funny because like in my opinion that’s the point of the season. But like…
The fact that the AI would know that Mike is wanting to get in Will’s pants SO BAD 😭 that they’re being hunted by the government actively in the barracks and he just is like omg take off your belt
The concept of an artificial intelligence/ large language model having such a grasp on how GAY MIKE WHEELER IS 😭
The concept of it writing you’re like a sorcerer your power is innate
The AI knowing he couldn’t ever at any point say I love you to El’s face even when she’s about to die
The AI making him say ‘time to join your friends, Sorcerer’
AHAHAHA
And the fact that if we agree that it’s “made by AI”, and that AI made Mike Wheeler’s big monster look like a vagina…
If the AI knows that Mike Wheeler is gay, but the GENERAL AUDIENCE (homophobic GA) doesn’t. Like, HAHAHAHA holy shit 🫣 imagine
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just randomly figured with @gritstartar that we were both suspecting that it was Will*
I even thought to write a fic with such a plot, and now you’re saying it might be canon?
(and non-cg bylers were dissatisfied that the quarry was forgotten and never addressed, mhm)
[ *I said that on January fucking 4th!!!! ]
@armencias I’m so behind on your theories about bylers deaths and idk if you’ve seen my corruptiongate, but I feel like there’s something to discuss here 👀
hear me out!! I just joked in my hashtags about Will being able to save Mike from the quarry with Vecna powers in early seasons but I need you to see this as a post now bc I’m sorry but I need this being canon??? like, it is basically canon, what are we even talking about???
(it’s basically the same plot as the sorcerer had, if only Will saw Mike being in danger at that moment)