I mean yeah, I very much remember seeing dudes in suits and ties getting gnarly in the pit back in the day and it wasn't some kind of "corporate punk" shit it was literally for the laugh of "there's not a fucking dress code" and it was about defying what you're told to do by everybody including other punks. And seeing dudes in a pressed suit with a silk tie and liberty spikes went hard as fuck. They'd get their jackets torn to shreds and the pants ripped off at the knees, the tie cut and turned into a headband and a hundred sticky patches slapped all over them by the end of the night and they'd be covered in black oil and dirt from the pit fighting in the parking lot, and they'd wear those rags forever. Sew on whatever patches survived the night. That's how battle jackets used to get made, it was whatever you wore that survived, not this Levi Strauss brand vest with patches sewn on from Hot Topic and Spencer's.