Don't Yap About Your Yappy

You're quoting the other guy there, I didn't say that.

That said 1) I think that, while the degree to which the police arrest people for posting things on social media is heavily exaggerated by the right, to the extent that it actually *does* happen I don't support it and think it's bad.

2) Police failures in Rotherham were bad and condemnable, I just think they were also condemnable when the crimes weren't committed by the ethnic group you don't like too. As far as reasons why the police failed with those cases, there are dozens of contributing factors more significant than race, and the evidence of race being a contributing factor are mostly half-quotes from an off-handed comment from like 2 or 3 individuals.

You guys have looked at all the bad crime in the country, drawn a big red circle around only the cases done specifically by the skin color you don't like, gave it a special name and decided it was the only crime that matters.

Like, statistically, pakistanis commit ~2% of the child sex crimes nationally, while making up ~2% of the population.

But if you look exclusively, not at child-sex-crimes in general, but child-sex-crimes-committed-by-pakistani-men, pakistani men commit ONE HUNDRED percent of those child sex crimes committed by pakistani men! (likewise, in 100% of cases when it rains on a tuesday... it is on a tuesday.)

Do you see the issue with the statistical analysis here?

Henry Nowak did not have to die, and the only reason you support the police in his case is the victim was White and the perpetrator was brown. Do you remember him? Henry Nowak is the guy we were discussing before you thought of child rape and started sperging out about it. He got stabbed by a brown. Just stabbed, not raped. I know your thoughts would be the same if he had been raped, but there’s no evidence he was. Just stabbed. The brown used a knife the brown is legally allowed to carry and brandish anytime he wants, though it would be illegal for a White man like Henry Nowak to have it.

After being stabbed, he could have lived, but the British police dragged him across the ground, handcuffed him to open up the wounds, and watched as he died. After dying, the police searched his phone and his father’s phone to find any instance of racism. Thank God that Henry Nowak never sent an edgy meme or off-color joke in his life, because his killer would still be at large if he had.

The officers in the Digwa case were acting in compliance with the “Police Race Action Plan,” a national program backed by all 43 Chief Constables in England and Wales. Police officers in the UK are made to take compulsory race training where they are told of their “White privilege” and that they work in an “institutionally racist organisation” (oh the irony).

You brought up Rotherham, that whole bit was me talking about Rotherham, something you accused me of supporting.

brandish anytime he wants

Not brandish - and not, y'know, stab. Pretty sure he got several weapons-related charges in addition to the life sentence for murder, extending the sentence

After being stabbed, he could have lived, but the British police dragged him across the ground, handcuffed him to open up the wounds, and watched as he died.

From the sentencing remarks

"It passed upwards through soft tissue, between the two uppermost ribs, catching a lung and cutting an important vein, behind the collar bone. This was to a depth of 8cm from the skin surface. The consequent bleeding flowed into his chest cavity. The pathologist, Amanda Jeffrey, found 1200 ml, or over 2 pints, of blood there. She said that no emergency medical treatment would have permitted access to the bleeding vein. In simple terms, he would not have survived, however quickly he received first aid, CPR or expert medical treatment."

He got stabbed in the lung and the bleeding was almost entirely internal, since you can see in the video that there is basically no visible blood outside his body outside of like a bloody nose, which is why the police wouldn't immediately know that he was stabbed until they checked about a minute later.

fter dying, the police searched his phone and his father’s phone to find any instance of racism

I think that was mostly just to find footage of the altercation, which the murderer knew was on it which is why he stole the phone and tried to hide it before it was confiscated by the police when they arrested him (and then tried him for murder, found him guilty, and sentenced him to life in prison)

It's hard to use this as a case of the UK government deliberately covering up crimes committed by Browns when this crime committed by a Brown is headline news with officially released bodycams and the resulting anti-brown riots, and when the brown in question was arrested, tried, found guilty, and again, sentenced to life in prison.

There are at least six distinct interest groups in play: local police, social services, local politicians, local journalists, British government, local Muslim community leaders. You also shouldn't forget victims of rape/coercion/pimping/intimidation/trafficking and their families. So make that seven. I could probably go up to 20, with subgroups and other groups outside of the already mentioned ones, but the six groups (without the victims) all follow some of these incentives/have one the following thought patterns, at some point. Maybe it changes over time, and not every group has the same incentive patterns at the same time:

if we ignore the problem, it might go away

if I personally ignore the problem and play dumb, it could become somebody else's problem

if somebody else discovers the problem and tries to blame me for ignoring it, I can always call him racist

if we talk about it in public now, we will risk racial tensions

if I personally make this problem public, I will look racist

this story is the current obsession of those who believe in race war, most notably the owner of twitter and the rubes who follow him, and in some ways it's even dumber than the George Floyd obsession, not least because people should have learned better by now.

if I was the cop in that situation I would probably have assumed the guy on the ground was drunk! which is what British cops usually have to deal with when they get called to deal with someone being disorderly; murders are rare and the perpetrator doesn't usually call the cops.

and when the cops realised he had been stabbed they arrested the murderer and jailed him for life; this story is only an outrage if you believe cops should be clairvoyant, or arrest anyone of Indian ancestry on sight regardless of what's happening.

They arrive on scene to a call having been told that some drunk dude was being disorderly, find him delirious under a windowsil, drag him out, gently lay him in the recovery position. He says he's been stabbed, the guy who called the police says nobody was stabbed, police agree it doesn't LOOK like he's been stabbed but that they'll still check. And then they check, and then one minute later they call an ambulance. And once they figure who stabbed who the stabber is promptly arrested and sentenced to life in prison. Anything the stabber says to try to weasel out of life in prison (that the stabbed guy was racist and hate criming him) are swiftly dismissed.

The evidence of 'Two Tier Policing' here is that a murderer attempted to play the race card. But failed! The attempt to avoid a life sentence for murder by claiming the guy was racist and playing the victim didn't work, and they guy who did that got a life sentence.

The killing was awful and it'd be hard to plan an event that would inflame racial tensions much worse than it. Digwa (the killer) stabbed Nowak multiple times, while recording it on his phone. He followed Nowak as he fled. Then his brother called the police to report that Nowak had racially attacked Digwa. The entire family joined in the lie right away and helped conceal the evidence. This guy killed some random white kid, his family covered it up, and they called the police to say that the kid was the offender and to lock him up. They lied and said there was no weapon; they didn't even say "he stabbed a guy in self-defense so you need to help him." Digwa watched him bleed to death, filmed it, and his entire family immediately joined in, confident that they could get the police to side with them by playing the race card.

But if course, this is just this one time! Obviously it doesn't make a pattern all on its own. It was a simple mistake that was reasonable to make at the time. Why, there are so many other worse police abuses, why would you get upset about this one?

Now, how many incidences of cops killing black men do the same arguments apply to?

The response to these incidents always seems to boil down to "who is allowed to notice patterns?" and "what is allowed to be a flashpoint?" George Floyd may or may not have been on fentanyl but it ultimately didn't matter: people had noticed a pattern of behavior from the cops towards their community and it served as a flashpoint for community tensions, and the response from the authorities (constantly losing their shit and being unable to control their emotions) showed that the community was right to mistrust them. How is this any different?

In the bodycam the dude does touch the guy's shirt, but just the lower part of his shirt when the wound was much higher, and when the lady checking him for injuries asked him where he was stabbed he, in his delirium, said "my face" which caused her to check his face for wounds instead of his upper chest.

She *could* tell that something was very wrong by looking at his eyes, though - which is why they then called an ambulance and performed CPR, its just that the confusion led to a ~60 second delay (that, according to the medical examiner, wouldn't have changed anything because of the location and severity of the injury)

"who is allowed to notice patterns?"

Not a fan of this response to when a piece of bullshit is debunked - every time, ideologues will bring up some piece of evidence, and if you look at the evidence you can point out the ways it's clearly been skewed and misrepresented and lied about, and they say "who cares that we skewed/lied/misrepresented this evidence for our point, it's about the pattern, what about every other point!" and you look at the next point and you can immediately point out the skews and lies and misrepresentations and they say "who cares that we lied this time, it's about the general pattern this keeps happening everywhere!"

Do you react the same way to incidences where black Americans are killed by cops in ways that don't match the outraged declarations about them?

It has struck a raw nerve because it makes visible in the most repulsive way imaginable what many have long sensed, that accusations of racism have become a powerful, paralysing force in modern Britain eventually leading to a dying boy being sidelined while the system instinctively prioritised accusations of racism.