Vegeta: Redemption a Possibility?
Whenever I write about the surly Saiyan, chills go throughout my body, mainly because I fear for the response Iāll get from DBZ fans. Iāve made myself out to be quite the Yamcha defender in my time here and there was that one time I called Vegeta stupid. Iām pretty sure if I conducted a study on DBZ fans, 80% of them would be Vegeta fans. And why not? Heās the product of Gokuās biggest strength and weakness: mercy. Heās cool when heās pissed and cool when heās pissy. Makes a pretty good fighter, too.
HOWEVERā¦
There is one aspect of him I never liked, which ironically and paradoxically makes him a good character: his character development. Look, donāt get me wrong. Cool idea. Iāve heard many things about blowing himself up to defeat Majin Buu or whatever. I dunno the context there but still, cool idea.
HOWEVERā¦
Itās terribly executed.Ā This man slaughtered most of the Z-fighters. And donāt give me thatĀ āoh but that was Nappa and that Saibamanā bullshit. Vegeta ordered them to kill Yamcha, Chiaotzu, Tien and Piccolo. He was in charge.
And everyone seems to forget about that city he and Nappa freaking destroyed. Thatās some pretty grim shit.
But hey, he helps out on Namek, right? He saved some asses over there. I mean, he slaughtered a whole village, schemed against our heroes and abandoned them for his own needs (try to match the events from the show to these. Hint, first one is frikking obvious.), so water under the bridge. Letās forgive him!
And thatās the thing. They forgiveĀ him. Bam. Almost immediately. Even the Namekians arenāt the least bit pissed when the asshole brags about killing a whole village of their people. They just grunt and murmur a bit and itās pretty much forgotten when they move to a new subject. Whereās the rage, the emotion, the lashing out? Why doesnāt Vegeta pay the price for his actions?!
And Bulma, holy hell, Bulma. Put yourself in her shoes. This guy who has a rep for being a murderous and unforgiving asshole lands near your home. You go over there to see whatās up and there he is. What do you do?
Letās seeā¦Some good answers here.Ā āIād shit myself.āĀ āCall the cops.āĀ āUse the nearest human as a meat shield.ā All very good answersā¦but youāre wrong. All of you hypothetical readers are wrong, you dumbasses.
YOU INSULT THE MANāS STENCH!
First thing Bulma does when she meets Vegeta again is comment on how stinky he is. This man is a known murderer who has done nothing to redeem himself. How is she attempting any sort of banter with him now? Of course, what else do I expect from the woman who flirted with said murderer a year ago. Granted, he did give a good idea and their friends were going to be resurrected so she was in a good mood but if someone who murdered my friends came up to me when I was having difficulties and gave me a solution, Iād be grateful but I wouldnāt effing trust the man! Heās freaking dangerous!
And everyoneās cool with this except Yamcha, who is seen as being a jealous twat for doubting Vegeta. What? What BS is that? Thatās common sense! He doesnāt want to die a second time by this guyās hands. He wants to enjoy life! But fuck it. Letās take the easy route and piss on Yamcha!
I really need to stop defending Yamcha on this blog. Shows too much of a bias.
Anyways, Vegeta assimilates with the humans with no effort whatsoever and even hooks up with one of them. WhaāHOW?! HOW THE RATāS ASS DO YOUāFUCKINāāWHAT?! This moved way too quick. I know in the show, a year has passed since heās back on Earth but once more, Vegeta does nothing to prove himself to be a good person cause all he does is train in that time. There is no effort. As funny as his banter with Bulma can be, it makes no sense, especially for someone who quaked in her boots whenever Vegetaās name was mentioned.
Let me conclude this rant with an alternate route Vegetaās redemption couldāve gone down: Launch. I know what youāre thinking.Ā āWho the bloody hell is Launch? You inserting your fanfic into the equation now, SantaRobin?ā No, sheās a character, most prominent in the original Dragon BallĀ show. She has two identities, which she changes between by sneezing: blue-haired nice girl and blonde gun-toting bitch on wheels. She would be perfect with Vegeta. I think sheās paired up with Tien in the show but in DBZ Launch is never shown aside from one scene in some filler with Tienā¦I think. Look, Iām foggy on the subject. Launch just seems like a legend of some sort, sheās so obscure. Point is, break those two up, since all Tien does is train with Chiaotzu Ā (lack of attention is always a good reason for breaking up. We never see Yamcha train so itās assumed he gives Bulma some attention so dammit Iām defending Yamcha again. Someone control meā¦), and pair her up with Vegeta. Blue-haired Launch is a character that listens to Vegeta and depends on him, while blonde Launch kicks Vegeta into line and keeps watch on him, makes sure he does nothing stupid. Itās a nice balance, one that maintains Vegetaās character. He can be a jackass to blue-haired Launch who just yesses him, but change and become a better person when blonde Launch tells him whatās what.
What makes this even better is that Launch is a character.Ā Not much to be said there.
What do you guys think? Was this development too rushed? Too unbelievable? Does my alternative make sense? Your comments are encouraged. Leave a like, reblog, follow, yadayadaya. Iāll be seeing ya soon.
-SantaRobin
Geez louise! Let me just say that Iām so glad this fandom is alive and active. Seriously. Back when we had Shrines and Temple oā Trunks (WHOāS WITH ME) we were lucky to get into chat rooms without our internet shutting down. What a wonderful time to be a DBZ fan. You guys are amazing.
WITH THAT SAIDā¦ā¦ your rant was pretty glorious. Let me go through this point by point so get nice and comfortableā¦.
Youāve never seen the Buu saga and yet youāve decided to criticize Vegetaās character development? Hmmm. You might want to remedy that before doing so?? Because the context literally destroys your entire argument.
Itās very clear that youāre unfamiliar with Vegeta as a character and the entire context of the series. Piccolo was a demon that literally almost killed Goku in Dragonball. He helped take Radditz down and kidnapped Gohan when he was 4 and yet, there were zero repercussions for him too. Weāre in a world where fighting and being a fighter determines your importance. This isnāt a regular anime that takes place on a regular, normally-functioning earth. They have a talking cat as a president for goodness sake. Actions will not create ordinary reactions. Itās supposed to be centered around Fighting with glorious power-up moments, hilarious gags and the occasional nude scene. This is Akira Toriyama, pure and simple. Anything else we get out of it, like the romantic relationships and the incredibly touching moments, are all on us.
Toriyama is a huge supporter of his fans making up their own ideas about his characters. Heās said over and over that he doesnāt like writing romance and he doesnāt like planning ahead. Only in retrospect did he realize that putting Vegeta and Bulma together was actually a really good idea, and now, heās the biggest Vegeta/Bulma shipper. I suggest you hop on over here and read some of his interviews. I hope you get a better sense of how Toriyama writes, which is obviously important to understanding how and why things happen in DBZā¦. Ā
It also sounds like youāre unfamiliar with Bulma as a character too. Sheās no ordinary human girl. Youāre familiar with Dragonball at least right? Sheās very much a self-made stupidly-brave genius who literally grew up beside aliens and powerful beings. She reminds me a lot of Vegeta actually; when theyāre scared, they donāt let fear stop them. They might be horrified and in Vegetaās case, facing death, but that doesnāt mean theyāll cower behind Krillin for too long. Eventually theyāll step up and fight back. Theyāre both fearless. Itās not a stretch at all to imagine Bulma going after what she wants, especially once she became a grown woman in DBZ.
At some point in the future, Iām definitely going to write a long exposĆ© about Bulma and Vegeta. It seems that the fandom has kind of forgotten who these characters were and why their relationship makes perfect sense. How Vegeta acts and how Bulma reacts has everything to do with who they are as characters. But for now, letās stick to your complaintā¦
No, the fact that Vegeta is a villain never escapes any of them. But like I said, youāre in a world where youāre literally surrounded by them. So who cares! If you plan on hanging around Goku, youāre going to become very familiar with villains and thatās something all of them were well aware of. Even within this culture of Fighting, most of them protested Vegetaās presence (not just Yamcha), which means that none of them forgot who he was. (And um, Yamcha was a villain too! I donāt see you shitting all over him either!)
Then again, neither Tien, Chaotzu or Yamcha was present on Namek. If Krillin and Gohan feel more comfortable around Vegeta, than perhaps some character development happened on Namek that the others didnāt witness? Clearly, fighting side-by-side with a villain tends to put that villain in a different light. (You watched the Namek saga right? The original, not the dub? Cause it sounds like you kind of didnāt?)
You get to know Vegeta during the Namek saga. Yes heās definitely 100% evil, but who wouldnāt be under the circumstances?? His character development is glorious here because for the first time, we see him shaking in fear, asking for help, referencing his past, saving Gohan, shedding tears and finally dying a slow and tear-filled death full of begging and regret. āTerror struck the depths of Vegetaās soul for the first time in his life,ā says the manga, upon his defeat by Freeza. āFor the first time he felt despair⦠For the first time in his life, Vegeta shed tears⦠The great Vegeta had lost his will to fight.ā His first death said a whole lot about how Vegeta felt deep deep deep deep deep deep deep inside, since he knew he was about to die and there was no need to hide behind a smirk.
And youāre telling me his character development was āterribly executedā?? What??
And I wanted to save this for my Vegeta/Bulma post but OH MY GOD, where did this idea that Bulma just out of nowhere decided to sleep with Vegeta come from??? Where?!?! Have none of you actually seen/read the original series???
Vegeta absolutely fascinated her, and it was obvious from the very beginning. Sheās fascinated by Saiyan technology thanks to Radditzā scouter, and it continues on with Vegetaās ship and his armor. On the ride to Namek, Bulmaās still thinking about Vegeta and where he could have possibly gone to after he left earth. (āEarth has certainly been marked by an unbelievable guy!ā) When they land on Namek and she sees him for the first time, sheās scared but completely intrigued. (They even have a filler moment where she supposedly dreamt about him.) Sheās used to people like him (powerful, dangerous, etc.) but Vegeta is the only other full-blooded Saiyan in existence. If youād known someone like Goku all of your life, how could you not be intrigued by this guy???
Vegeta doesnāt land on Bulmaās doorstep out of nowhere! What the hell? Youāve watched DBZ right? She invites him to live with her, he takes off in search of Goku, and then comes back when he fails to find him in space. He simply returned where he was āstationedā. What⦠are you talking about⦠Why wouldnāt he return??
VEGETA DOESNāT ASSIMILATE INTO LIFE ON EARTH UNTIL AFTER THE BUU SAGA, A SAGA YOU HAVENāT EVEN SEEN. I meanā¦. seriously? Anyone who watched the Android saga knows that he and Bulma were not living together and yes, Trunks was a one-night stand. Anyone who watched the Cell saga knows that he got to know his future son in the Room of Spirit and Time and lost his shit when he was killed by Cell. (He also apologized to Gohan for getting in the way. But how dare they terribly execute his character development, right??)
Whatās so very glorious is that if you actually watch the show, Vegeta isnāt the only one that gets development over time. His was just the most surprising and impressive because heās Vegeta. It takes years and years and years for him to get to where he was in the Buu saga, and since Toriyama hates writing that shit, it might seem like it comes out of nowhere. But it doesnāt. You know that in those years between Cell (and Vegetaās decision to never fight again) and Buu (and Vegetaās decision to die for Goku, Bulma and Trunks) was a whole SEVEN YEAR GAP right? In those 7 years Vegeta tells us that āI got myself a family⦠and it wasnāt so awfulā¦. I even started to like the comfortable life on earthā¦ā and apprently HE EVEN MARRIED BULMA AT SOME POINT.
But oh no, his character development was just too fast. Toriyama didnāt exclusively write a manga about Vegeta so his character development was terribly executed. Ā
Oh my godā¦ā¦.. LAUNCH?!? Are you kidding me?!?! You just made it very, very clear that you donāt understand Vegeta or earthlings at all. What, is Bulma suddenly not a character? Wowā¦.
Itās just so sad that this is a matter of contention for a lot of DBZ fans. How come the other villains on the show get to be redeemed and Vegeta doesnāt? Vegeta goes the farthest in character development and still, he canāt be forgiven. He literally died for his family and his arch rival but thatās still not good enough. He gives a beautiful speech about how much he admires Goku and still, itās not good enough. When he was brought back to life in the Buu saga, it was because the Dragon thought āhe wasnāt a bad guyā. Goku admires him and Bulma (and kid Trunks) adore him, and STILL. Itās not good enough.
Whatever guys, then stop fucking watching, Vegeta is amazing.
Thank heavens. For so long, I figured no one would ever protest my posts. Thanks for being the first!
I just want to establish that Iām not a Vegeta hater. I think heās an all-around badass. His character development is a good idea. It just wasnāt put in the right place.
I didnāt deny the fact that Bulma was a character. What I meant when I saidĀ āLaunch is a characterā is that she actually appears in the show. She exists. Praise be! Bulma is one of my favorite characters on DBZ and she is a very self-reliant woman with excellent intellect. Iāll build on that later.
My history with DBZ is a complex one. I was really into it a few years ago when I found the Kai dub but when the Android Saga started (aka past the peak of the show), I lost interest. I recently rediscovered it (thanks to Toonami) and realized there were some things that I didnāt exactly notice when I was younger. Hence, this blog was created. This means I did not watch the Buu Saga but I try to do as much research as possible to make sure Iām informed as much as possible.
That being said, I understand Vegetaās assimilation on Earth and character development to the point of the Buu Saga where he comes full circle. The point of this post was that the way it was initiated was, in my opinion, silly.
As for Piccolo, Iām not completely satisfied with his character. Kidnapping toddlers is a dick move to be honest. The fact that Chi Chi never got her two cents on the subject against Piccolo upsets me.Ā
A quick question before I continue, what do you mean byĀ āstationedā? Heās not exactly stationed there because he doesnāt work for Frieza anymore. Thatās part of your reply just kind of confuses me.
Toriyamaās style never really stuck with me, which is a shame because I see potential around every corner and not all of the right routes are taken. I donāt seeĀ ānot planning aheadā as a quality, as it totally smells of BS. While it does allow me to create my own interpretation (Launch and Vegeta, for instance), itās kind of lazy on his part. Itās incredible that Iām saying that, since this is the same guy who creates these massive storylines, linking so many events to the next. Toriyama also disliking writing romance also doesnāt help the Vebulma (Bulmeta? What is it the kids say these days?), as it proves itās more of a tell not show thing, which is the biggest mistake one could make with writing.
Now for Bulma. Again, I love this character. Independent, smart, a kickass non-fighting character. Thatās why it saddens me to see her sudden character shift on Namek, where she does so little (dragonball detector, home in a cave, watch a dragonball, and a frog translator. There was a bit in some filler where she fought crabs in a crab mech but that furthered nothing and was practically useless, which is why itās filler.). When Vegeta comes to pick up a dragonball with Gohan and Krillin, she freaks out, and understandably so. Thatās her relationship with him on Namek. Outside of that, she is interested by Saiyan tech but thatās not a strong component in a relationship. If that was so, call over Nappa and Radditz from the dead and they can all have a fun time in the Briefsā jacuzzi. Also, Bulma thinking about where Vegeta went doesnāt support the relationship because thatās just a question with a mysterious answer. If Krillin did this, would we be pairing him up with Vegeta? As for Vegeta, Bulmaās independent nature would be fascinating to him. But so would Launchās fierceness, as she can be a kickass fighter just like him. And thatās the thing. She can fight. Which is why itās a shame Toriyama literally forgot about her. She has so much potential!
A (hopefully) quick thing about Yamcha. I understand Yamcha was a villain, the Desert Bandit. However, he didnāt kill 4 people and annihilate a city. He beat up Goku but never killed 4 people and a cityās population. As for people not trusting Vegeta, you got me there. Tien also had his quick spat with him. Itās so rare characters in the show are in the same ring as Yamcha or even acknowledge heās there, so my bad.
The biggest issue with this is that I like to see concrete evidence provided by the creator. In the gap between Trunksā arrival, and the start of the Android Saga, weāre supposed to just adapt to Vegeta being Bulmaās boyfriend in that time thanks to a comment she made to Yajirobe. I like being shown things, not told things.
Vegetaās strongest development happened on Namek, where he cried. Good DBZ stuff here, in my opinion. However, that doesnāt make Vegeta someone who could be trusted. With an ego and power level that size, heās a dangerous and kickass man. The way the trust is formed, the whole āenemy of my enemy is my friendā shtick, is silly cause he can very well remain to be your enemy. There was a time when all he wanted to do was kick Gokuās ass. Thatās a tad unsettling, methinks.
Thanks for sharing your opinion on the matter. I think we can agree Vegeta is a good character. I did not like how his development on Earth was initiated. I personally use the liberties Toriyama gave us fans to conceive of new twists and takes on concepts and believe that Launch is an interesting and unique chance, as it brings her into the story (making her a character, as I said in my post) and she can be a badass fighter (of course in a different sense) just like him.
But thatās just my opinion. Thanks for writing. I trust you wonāt leave a like here but be sure to follow along with my other posts. Not all of them bash Vegetaās character development, trust me.


















